Liverpool FC Forum

by **redbeergoggles** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:56 am

JoeTerp wrote:hand on heart I would still support LFC, but I would find it increasingly difficult. It would be very hard for me to watch the games if they were in the Blue Square Premier. I do imagine that I would adopt a "2nd team," probably in Spain, Italy or Germany to "watch with interest" so that I could at least watch some footy on the telly "with interest."

And I probably would not have chosen to support LFC if they were a non league team when I started following football.

But its also a case of if my Aunt had testicles she would be my Uncle, as this situation would never happen.

And to further the discussion what I don't understand is how I read sometimes (mostly in other places) about how some locals "cannot fathom how some OOTer could just "pick" a football team to follow." How could they say that? Doesn't every Scouser just about, have a choice on which team to follow. Its not like the lines are drawn East v. West or North v. South right? And there are many cases of families coming supporting both the blue and red halfs of Merseyside, so even if your family was mostly red, it stills seems perfectly within the realm of possibility, (in a lot of cases) that one could end up becoming a Blue. So an out of town Red is someone that chose the club over a vast number of more practical alternatives. I don't think this should be looked at in a bad manner, it should be celebrated. You cannot really control where you are born, but you can certainly choose which football club to support, and IF ANYTHING, it takes something a bit extra to support the team that isn't closest to you. Further, in this day and age where money is so important and the game is so global, clubs NEED to embrace fans from wherever they can get them in order to compete with the other biggest clubs in the world.

A really good summary Joe ,but the thread has been taken out of context, the actual composition was based on the premise of how many fans would have chosen Liverpool if they were not steeped in a glorious history ,I simply stated that the reason I supported Liverpool was mainly due to its proximity and the fact if I would have chosen any other team in our household, I would have been sleeping in the garden .

Liverpool Football Club is a world wide brand and is not primarily exclusive to Scousers , any such thought would be ignorance in the extreme , I disagree with the the split families issue you raised though ,as in Liverpool if your fathers allegiance lies with the reds its usually highly unlikely he would suffer a Blue Nose for company

by **kawaton** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:01 am

I was 4 years old when i started supporting Liverpool.
My nearest team at 6 miles away was Tamworth. I didn't even know they had a footie team as they were in, what is now, the blue square north (or whatever).
Next biggest team that is close is Aston Villa, which is 20 miles away. To a 4 year old kid, 20 miles is not close.
I was never going to support them as my bro did, and i hated him. I didn't know Birmingham city had a team at that point.

All i knew was i wanted to support a footie team.
So on one saturday afternoon i picked whatever team had the biggest win that day.

Liverpool beat Coventry 6-1.
I have supported liverpool ever since.

I didn't know their history. To me, as a kid whose Dad didnt follow football, Liverpool was as far away as Tamworth or Villa. So distance wasn't an issue.

The most stupid reason ever for choosing a team. Probably. But they have been my team for nearly 30 years now.

So in answer to the question.
No i wouldnt, as Blue square results didnt come up on the results at 4.45 on BBC1
:buttrock

by **JoeTerp** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:32 am

redbeergoggles wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:hand on heart I would still support LFC, but I would find it increasingly difficult. It would be very hard for me to watch the games if they were in the Blue Square Premier. I do imagine that I would adopt a "2nd team," probably in Spain, Italy or Germany to "watch with interest" so that I could at least watch some footy on the telly "with interest."

And I probably would not have chosen to support LFC if they were a non league team when I started following football.

But its also a case of if my Aunt had testicles she would be my Uncle, as this situation would never happen.

And to further the discussion what I don't understand is how I read sometimes (mostly in other places) about how some locals "cannot fathom how some OOTer could just "pick" a football team to follow." How could they say that? Doesn't every Scouser just about, have a choice on which team to follow. Its not like the lines are drawn East v. West or North v. South right? And there are many cases of families coming supporting both the blue and red halfs of Merseyside, so even if your family was mostly red, it stills seems perfectly within the realm of possibility, (in a lot of cases) that one could end up becoming a Blue. So an out of town Red is someone that chose the club over a vast number of more practical alternatives. I don't think this should be looked at in a bad manner, it should be celebrated. You cannot really control where you are born, but you can certainly choose which football club to support, and IF ANYTHING, it takes something a bit extra to support the team that isn't closest to you. Further, in this day and age where money is so important and the game is so global, clubs NEED to embrace fans from wherever they can get them in order to compete with the other biggest clubs in the world.

A really good summary Joe ,but the thread has been taken out of context, the actual composition was based on the premise of how many fans would have chosen Liverpool if they were not steeped in a glorious history ,I simply stated that the reason I supported Liverpool was mainly due to its proximity and the fact if I would have chosen any other team in our household, I would have been sleeping in the garden .

Liverpool Football Club is a world wide brand and is not primarily exclusive to Scousers , any such thought would be ignorance in the extreme , I disagree with the the split families issue you raised though ,as in Liverpool if your fathers allegiance lies with the reds its usually highly unlikely he would suffer a Blue Nose for company

while I certainly would have thought that the vast majority of sons would support the same team as their father, I have read several anecdotal cases of people follow their mother's club or grandfather's club instead.

by **GYBS** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:36 am

Was taken to a game by my uncle and grandad(both ST and scousers) when i was 7 and been a liverpool fan for the last 29 years and wouldnt matter what league they are in i would still support them as passionately as i do now .I will support liverpool for life .Sorry its not deep and insightful but its the best i can do - I grew up idolising the team the players the managers and they are part of my life .

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:39 am

When i think about it i if i was on a different bus i could of been a blue :laugh:

My mum an dad were stauch reds but my grandmother who lived with us for a while when i was a kid was a bitter, I didnt really know much obout footie with me being into ballet, but it was the number 46 bus coming home from Norris Green baths when i was about 10 that saved me,

We used to live in st Anne Street near town , an most of me mums family lived in Kirkdale an when we was kids we used to go to me Nanas every saturday, one week the bitters were playin an one week us, Made loads of money when i was a kid minding cars near county Rd:laugh: Some of my uncles used to go an watch them an others uncles used to go an watch us, but i never took any notice really, i even sat on my uncles shoulders once near St georges hall watching the bitters come home with the cup, Oh i did for us as well in 65.

But i think that bus change my life, as it was coming past the kop we got off to have a nosy at what was happening all these people coming out of Anfield. They used to open the gates then with 20 minutes to go an asthey were coming out we sneaked in :laugh:

Didnt have a clue what we was gonna find or expect, But someone scored while wea was there an fecking hell i thought a war had started but people were kissing an jumping and laughing it wads the best experience of my life even though i was 10 :laugh:

, I wanted more of it loads more , i didnt wat to leave, i didnt half get told off though by me dad for being late back from the baths an when i told him id been to see Liverpool an wanted to go again , He just smiled an said next time ill take you dont be going on your own, So he took me in the main stand against West Ham, But my dad was a man whos life revolved around footie he even used to go an watch the bitters sometimes when they were at home, strange though he never asked me to go with him there, But if i went you never know i would of had to choose most probi could of ended up a bitter ,

Ive gone way off the topic question here with my remenisance

,But that day i fell in love an my love affair has never died , i didnt know what division we played in alls i knew was i sampled something i wanted to be part of for me we could be have been playing in the 4th division it wouldnt have matterd i knew ballett was out the window from that day on anyway :laugh:

Strange because its actualy like my son now , my younger brother took him to watch the bitters before i had a chance to take him to our church, an hes never changed his allegiance from that day on, Even if he did fall asleep in the second half, :laugh:

by **we all dream...** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:39 am

simolonge wrote:I dream of relegation, to rid this club of the hangers on.

by **JoeTerp** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:43 am

redbeergoggles wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:hand on heart I would still support LFC, but I would find it increasingly difficult. It would be very hard for me to watch the games if they were in the Blue Square Premier. I do imagine that I would adopt a "2nd team," probably in Spain, Italy or Germany to "watch with interest" so that I could at least watch some footy on the telly "with interest."

And I probably would not have chosen to support LFC if they were a non league team when I started following football.

But its also a case of if my Aunt had testicles she would be my Uncle, as this situation would never happen.

And to further the discussion what I don't understand is how I read sometimes (mostly in other places) about how some locals "cannot fathom how some OOTer could just "pick" a football team to follow." How could they say that? Doesn't every Scouser just about, have a choice on which team to follow. Its not like the lines are drawn East v. West or North v. South right? And there are many cases of families coming supporting both the blue and red halfs of Merseyside, so even if your family was mostly red, it stills seems perfectly within the realm of possibility, (in a lot of cases) that one could end up becoming a Blue. So an out of town Red is someone that chose the club over a vast number of more practical alternatives. I don't think this should be looked at in a bad manner, it should be celebrated. You cannot really control where you are born, but you can certainly choose which football club to support, and IF ANYTHING, it takes something a bit extra to support the team that isn't closest to you. Further, in this day and age where money is so important and the game is so global, clubs NEED to embrace fans from wherever they can get them in order to compete with the other biggest clubs in the world.

A really good summary Joe ,but the thread has been taken out of context, the actual composition was based on the premise of how many fans would have chosen Liverpool if they were not steeped in a glorious history ,I simply stated that the reason I supported Liverpool was mainly due to its proximity and the fact if I would have chosen any other team in our household, I would have been sleeping in the garden .

Liverpool Football Club is a world wide brand and is not primarily exclusive to Scousers , any such thought would be ignorance in the extreme , I disagree with the the split families issue you raised though ,as in Liverpool if your fathers allegiance lies with the reds its usually highly unlikely he would suffer a Blue Nose for company

while I certainly would have thought that the vast majority of sons would support the same team as their father, I have read several anecdotal cases of people follow their mother's club or grandfather's club instead.

by **NANNY RED** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:50 am

JoeTerp wrote:
redbeergoggles wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:hand on heart I would still support LFC, but I would find it increasingly difficult. It would be very hard for me to watch the games if they were in the Blue Square Premier. I do imagine that I would adopt a "2nd team," probably in Spain, Italy or Germany to "watch with interest" so that I could at least watch some footy on the telly "with interest."

And I probably would not have chosen to support LFC if they were a non league team when I started following football.

But its also a case of if my Aunt had testicles she would be my Uncle, as this situation would never happen.

And to further the discussion what I don't understand is how I read sometimes (mostly in other places) about how some locals "cannot fathom how some OOTer could just "pick" a football team to follow." How could they say that? Doesn't every Scouser just about, have a choice on which team to follow. Its not like the lines are drawn East v. West or North v. South right? And there are many cases of families coming supporting both the blue and red halfs of Merseyside, so even if your family was mostly red, it stills seems perfectly within the realm of possibility, (in a lot of cases) that one could end up becoming a Blue. So an out of town Red is someone that chose the club over a vast number of more practical alternatives. I don't think this should be looked at in a bad manner, it should be celebrated. You cannot really control where you are born, but you can certainly choose which football club to support, and IF ANYTHING, it takes something a bit extra to support the team that isn't closest to you. Further, in this day and age where money is so important and the game is so global, clubs NEED to embrace fans from wherever they can get them in order to compete with the other biggest clubs in the world.

A really good summary Joe ,but the thread has been taken out of context, the actual composition was based on the premise of how many fans would have chosen Liverpool if they were not steeped in a glorious history ,I simply stated that the reason I supported Liverpool was mainly due to its proximity and the fact if I would have chosen any other team in our household, I would have been sleeping in the garden .

Liverpool Football Club is a world wide brand and is not primarily exclusive to Scousers , any such thought would be ignorance in the extreme , I disagree with the the split families issue you raised though ,as in Liverpool if your fathers allegiance lies with the reds its usually highly unlikely he would suffer a Blue Nose for company

while I certainly would have thought that the vast majority of sons would support the same team as their father, I have read several anecdotal cases of people follow their mother's club or grandfather's club instead.

Tell me about it Joe, heartbreaking :no

My grandad wouldnt even have red ballons up anywhere or tomatoes on the table :laugh:

He signed himself out of the hospital with phnemonia to go an see the bitters in the 66 cup final then went back in :laugh:

by **Ian Rush's Right foot** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:42 am

I was born in Bradford, (but left 20 years ago) My Old Man, Uncle and Older Cousins were all Liverpool Fans.

I was bought a Candy Shirt when i was a kid and grew up 25 years later, following the team week in and week out. My Love for this club is as close as the love i have for my Wife & Son, so much so that the first item i bought my son was a Liverpool shirt.

However, if my Old man, Uncles & cousins followed Bradford City then things would have been different.

However again... i firmly believe that being a supporter of Liverpool is like supporting no other english team, the passion, the history, the heartache no club can come close to the bond we have had thrusted upon us

by **Bammo** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:39 pm

I think for those people that grow up in a staunch supporting household they have little choice about who they support.

For me, an OOTer, I had a choice. My Dad wasn't that into football and when I started getting into the game (I think I was 5/6) I asked him what clubs were local. He listed a load including Chester, Tranmere, Everton etc but I wanted to know if there was a Liverpool team. He worked in Liverpool so to me that was the magical place. That was the team I wanted to support so success had little to do with it at that point although I'm sure if they'd been rubbish then as a 6 year old I'd have happily switched allegiance.

I think that as a scouser growing up in the city you would feel certain things more. All my mates are Man Utd fans so that rivalry was intense. I hardly knew any Everton fans growing up so that was less important. It meant something but with no banter it lost its impact. That's been solved for me now as my girlfriend is a ST holder at woodison! Now derby games mean as much to me as the Utd games.

I also don't buy that people who go to games automatically know more than OOTers who only go to a few games. We all know people who go to games and lose focus on what is happening. Do they know more than the person who owns every kit, watches every game online and knows the reserve/youth players? of course not.

My Dad did get back into football and now I have a season ticket with him at Huddersfield (where he's from: £100 per season). I go to 20+ games a year and can say there's things you can see at games that you won't see on tv (off the ball runs etc) but there's plenty you miss too (no replays, no tactical analysis). A true fan would go to the game, go home and watch a recording then analyse the stats :laugh:

So to answer the OP, I doubt I'd have become a real Liverpool fan if they had been non-league but now I am one I'd follow them wherever. If they went to amateur I may even get a chance to play

Off topic: Martin Kelly (on loan at Hudds last season) looks like a real prospect. Hopefully he'll be 4th choice centre back for us this year.

by **LFC4allseasons** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:16 pm

redbeergoggles wrote:Say for instance Liverpool had none of their illustrious history ,no cups, no Anfield and had started life in the lower leagues only to be struggling even now ,would you still support them ? ,thats the question I want answering ..

Well I'd imagine I would because me dad made sure I was a Red. Ever since I was born in Oxford St Ozzy I've been a Red, so I imagine I would have been yes.

Mr granddad made sure me dad was a Red back in 67. So yes I would have been a red no matter what.

by **dawson99** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:27 pm

how many stupid threads we gonna have until the season starts?

Would we support Liverpool if they were in Blue Square???

Of course we fecking would, it's about passion more than success.

and imagining if we had had no success, thats just stupid, it didnt happen like that.

please let the new season start soon

by **simolonge** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:56 pm

we all dream... wrote:
simolonge wrote:I dream of relegation, to rid this club of the hangers on.

You disagree ?

Hicks, Gillete, Day Tippers and fans who discovered we exist in 2005.

Good Riddance.

by **Bammo** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:07 pm

simolonge wrote:
we all dream... wrote:
simolonge wrote:I dream of relegation, to rid this club of the hangers on.

You disagree ?

Hicks, Gillete, Day Tippers and fans who discovered we exist in 2005.

Good Riddance.

So you'd happily sacrifice everything this club has built up and any hope we have of winning anything in future?

Relegation in the modern game is disaster and would be the end of us as a force for at least 20 years. Lower crowds, lower income, lower quality players is all that would achieve.

I can't believe you're actually serious about wanting us relegated! :suspect:

If you don't want anyone other than die hard 5th generation fans supporting the club then you must hope we never win anything ever again. Success draws support and you should be thankful for some of those day trippers and new supporters - it's their money that helps pay for Torres etc.

by **simolonge** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:29 pm

Bammo wrote:
simolonge wrote:
we all dream... wrote:
simolonge wrote:I dream of relegation, to rid this club of the hangers on.

You disagree ?

Hicks, Gillete, Day Tippers and fans who discovered we exist in 2005.

Good Riddance.

So you'd happily sacrifice everything this club has built up and any hope we have of winning anything in future?

Relegation in the modern game is disaster and would be the end of us as a force for at least 20 years. Lower crowds, lower income, lower quality players is all that would achieve.

I can't believe you're actually serious about wanting us relegated!

If you don't want anyone other than die hard 5th generation fans supporting the club then you must hope we never win anything ever again. Success draws support and you should be thankful for some of those day trippers and new supporters - it's their money that helps pay for Torres etc.

Your right, the fans who have been going the game for years contributed nothing. :help

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