Owen to man u on a free - Have we missed a trick?

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Postby Number 9 » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:01 am

LFC4allseasons wrote:
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Dundalk wrote:Come August the only thing he will be hitting is the treatment table

I still cant get over aCe a few pages back wishing him well and hoping that he does well with his new team

HE PLAYS FOR MANCHESTER UNITED

Hes a w@nker though....he'd wish Gary neville all the best!!
Some people just dont get it and never will!

Well judging by the fact you're on an internet forum at 1:54 am you mustn't be getting it either, unless you and the missus got down to it quite early.

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Im not a footballer..and I did not sell my soul to the devil!!

Your point?? ???
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Postby maguskwt » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:26 am

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s@int wrote:Owen went to Madrid on less money than he was offered at Liverpool...... FACT

Owen wanted to sign for Liverpool for less money than Newcastle were offering him ....... FACT

Owen could get more money at Hull (guaranteed) than with the mancs ........ FACT

Why didnt he give Rafa a season ?

Why did he sign for newcastle if he wanted to sign for us ?

Do you think he has ever truely had liverpool in his heart saint ?

He didn't give Rafa a season, because he didn't believe in Rafa's ideas (same as Carra and Gerrard didn't!)

He signed for Newcastle because we couldn't afford the transfer fee.

I think more to the point is did Liverpool fans ever have Owen in their hearts.

Do you think half the players that play for us are playing because they love Liverpool? Try offering them £20k a week less and see how much they love Liverpool!

This is spot on. Alonso has recently alluded to the fact that tax has gone up from 40% to 50 %, anybody who thinks players aren't in for money to a large extent is deluding themselves. It's not ALL money, but a lot of it is for sure.

All the badge kissing is b0ll0cks.

Just to add in another point of debate here which we all have debated long about on here (not saying you said it bigmick)...

If this is the case then what about the "money means :censored: all in winning the league" argument? Surely money matters alot especially today in assembling a title challenging side... without a side capable of challenging the title you just can't talk about "winning the league" anymore...
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Postby maguskwt » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:39 am

Owen was my favourite player when he was playing for us... He was almost certainly our best player when he was playing for us (Gerrard hasn't reached his full potential yet).

When he left for Real I was heart broken but understoond his decision.

When he left Real for Newcastle I still wanted him to come back. Until recently I still thought he could very well do a job for us and pitied the way his career turned out rather than hate him.

Now that he has joined Man U he has basically burried all the fond memories most liverpool fans still had of him. He had made himself look like a selfish person, not for joining madrid or newcastle, but the way he leapt at the opportunity to sign for the mancs and also the way he came out saying all those things. I for one can't honestly wish him all the best because at his best he can do lots of damage. This is a move that I really blame him personally. It just looks very desperate of him. I can understand the professional reasons he joined, but as a former liverpool star should he be so enthusiastic about it? He didn't show any respect to LFC by doing that.

Now Michael Owen the liverpool star would still be in my memories but he won't be the one who's putting on the man united shirt now. The two just doesn't match. It's just like the Thriller Michael Jackson and a Wacko Jacko who got accused of fondling little boys. The two just doesnt match. So yeah I retract the fact that I wished he stayed injured but I won't wish him best of luck. In fact I wish he won't be successful for them. To me Michael Owen has just lost what's remaining of his "Hero" status...
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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:42 am

I don't think anyone would argue that money doesn't play a part in helping a manager build a title challenging team,but its not the ONLY requirement. Just as Torres could play no better if he was on £300k a week, the real difference is he probably wouldn't be at Anfield at all if we had only offered him £30k per week.

You obviously need a decent wage structure and transfer funds if you are to attract and keep top players, that doesn't mean that the dearest players are necessarily the BEST players, or that if you pay the highest wages it will automatically bring success.

We have certainly been willing to pay top wages and spend huge sums on transfers and as such should not in my opinion be using money as an excuse. Maybe if we had a budget similar to Stoke's our expectations would be accordingly less, but as can be seen by our recent signing of Johnson we can compete monetarily with "the big boys" (at least on occasion)
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Postby Number 9 » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:47 am

Some on here make me fuc'king sick!!

Theres a few who would love Owen to turn out class for UTD just to say look what RAFA MISSED OUT ON!

I was right..look at me!If Rafa was me he would have kicked a$$,im so clever..me me me me!!


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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:49 am

maguskwt wrote:Owen was my favourite player when he was playing for us... He was almost certainly our best player when he was playing for us (Gerrard hasn't reached his full potential yet).

When he left for Real I was heart broken but understoond his decision.

When he left Real for Newcastle I still wanted him to come back. Until recently I still thought he could very well do a job for us and pitied the way his career turned out rather than hate him.

Now that he has joined Man U he has basically burried all the fond memories most liverpool fans still had of him. He had made himself look like a selfish person, not for joining madrid or newcastle, but the way he leapt at the opportunity to sign for the mancs and also the way he came out saying all those things. I for one can't honestly wish him all the best because at his best he can do lots of damage. This is a move that I really blame him personally. It just looks very desperate of him. I can understand the professional reasons he joined, but as a former liverpool star should he be so enthusiastic about it? He didn't show any respect to LFC by doing that.

Now Michael Owen the liverpool star would still be in my memories but he won't be the one who's putting on the man united shirt now. The two just doesn't match. It's just like the Thriller Michael Jackson and a Wacko Jacko who got accused of fondling little boys. The two just doesnt match. So yeah I retract the fact that I wished he stayed injured but I won't wish him best of luck. In fact I wish he won't be successful for them. To me Michael Owen has just lost what's remaining of his "Hero" status...

To be fair to Owen, we didn't try to sign him even when he was on a free,so why should he care what we think anymore. IF HE HAD TURNED US DOWN TO GO TO THE MANCS THAT WOULD BE UNFORGIVABLE, but we didn't even bother to enquire.

I hope he is a complete failure with the mancs. Not because I hate Owen...... but because I hate the mancs.
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Postby matrix » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:54 am

tell me this is a fuc.king nightmare   still cant believe he has gone to the scurge of mankind... 

  anyone who suports his transfer is out to lunch...  ???
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Postby Parkinson » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:56 am

Back to the footballing aspect of this transfer saga, I believe the injury prone Owen would suit Manchester United's system a whole lot better than he would our own. I could only envisage Owen doing some kind of job for us if goals were required in the last fifteen minutes of any given match. If though Torres was out for a lengthy period of time where a replcement was needed I don't see the injury prone Owen playing the lone striker position adequately enough. I don't think that is Owen's game, he is to small and to slow now to pull off an adequate replacement for Torres for any given period of time. He'd probably do okay holding the ball up and bringing others into play but Kuyt can do that! Owen will have adapted his game somewaht due to his injuries of the hamstrings therefore making him a good and experianced goal poacher. His movement in the box would be great but considering we're not a side yet who produce enough quality down the flanks on a regular basis I think this would be to the detriment of Owens game as he would thrive on service from wide postions. Gerrard is our main supplier to Torres to play him through balls and Torres himeslf is able to turn, shimmey and beat a man where as Owen isn't.

In Manchester United's system Owen would probably play upfront with a partner and this would suit his own game aswell as without disrupting their system. Where as I feel to accomodate Owen in our team we'd have to play two upfront, I had been a reader on these boards prior to my registration and I know that the rotation concept around here is a bit of a taboo subject. By getting the most out of Owen we'd have to rotate our midfield and strikers positions which is something many on here wouldn't approve of. At Old trafford they won't have to worry about chopping and changing their system, Owen would fit in.

Then there is the big risk factor of the injury prone Owen an even bigger risk factor than Harry Kewell in my opinion and and player now who is past his best would not be worth the finacial or footballing risk in my opinion.

Rafa maybe on the look out for a player who would suit the lone striker role alot better without disturbing the system too much Drogba, Carew type players target men if you like. Or a player in the ilk of Villa who would better suit that role than Owen. Personally I do not think we have missed a tric,k Owen he would not guarentee us anything apart from a few goals perhaps and a shed load of injuries and wages to boot, that in itself won't make us go from challenegers to champions, we need more than a few goals here and a treatment table there. Fergie can have him he's better suited to them in more ways than one.
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Postby Number 9 » Sat Jul 04, 2009 2:59 am

Parkinson wrote:Back to the footballing aspect of this transfer saga, I believe the injury prone Owen would suit Manchester United's system a whole lot better than he would our own. I could only envisage Owen doing some kind of job for us if goals were required in the last fifteen minutes of any given match. If though Torres was out for a lengthy period of time where a replcement was needed I don't see the injury prone Owen playing the lone striker position adequately enough. I don't think that is Owen's game, he is to small and to slow now to pull off an adequate replacement for Torres for any given period of time. He'd probably do okay holding the ball up and bringing others into play but Kuyt can do that! Owen will have adapted his game somewaht due to his injuries of the hamstrings therefore making him a good and experianced goal poacher. His movement in the box would be great but considering we're not a side yet who produce enough quality down the flanks on a regular basis I think this would be to the detriment of Owens game as he would thrive on service from wide postions. Gerrard is our main supplier to Torres to play him through balls and Torres himeslf is able to turn, shimmey and beat a man where as Owen isn't.

In Manchester United's system Owen would probably play upfront with a partner and this would suit his own game aswell as without disrupting their system. Where as I feel to accomodate Owen in our team we'd have to play two upfront, I had been a reader on these boards prior to my registration and I know that the rotation concept around here is a bit of a taboo subject. By getting the most out of Owen we'd have to rotate our midfield and strikers positions which is something many on here wouldn't approve of. At Old trafford they won't have to worry about chopping and changing their system, Owen would fit in.

Then there is the big risk factor of the injury prone Owen an even bigger risk factor than Harry Kewell in my opinion and and player now who is past his best would not be worth the finacial or footballing risk in my opinion.

Rafa maybe on the look out for a player who would suit the lone striker role alot better without disturbing the system too much Drogba, Carew type players target men if you like. Or a player in the ilk of Villa who would better suit that role than Owen. Personally I do not think we have missed a trick Owen would not guarentee us anything apart from a few goals perhaps and a shed load of injuries with wages to boot, that in itself won't make us go from challenegers to champions, we need more than a few goals here and a treatment table there. Fergie can have him he's better suited to them in more ways than one.

Damn good post Parky! :nod
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Postby Parkinson » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:06 am

Thankyou Number 9
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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:11 am

The problem is there are very few players who can play the lone striker with any success, and we certainly don't have anyone apart from Torres. So in all likelihood if Torres is injured we would have to change our formation anyway (just like we did last season). I think its much easier to find a striker to partner a player like Owen when needed rather than try to find a player that can play the lone striker with the same success as Torres.
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Postby Parkinson » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:18 am

If everybody were happy to alter the formation of the side and play two upfront Owen maybe a player worth looking at, but that doesn't take away the fact he's a risk factor in the injury department. Would he be worth that risk? I don't think so.
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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:28 am

Michael Owen completed his shock move to Manchester United last night being put through one of the most gruelling medical examinations in football history.

Determined to satisfy themselves that the injury-troubled 29-year-old will not spend more time in the treatment room than in training, the English champions sent him for two days of tests.

But after United's medical team gave the green light last night, the deal was confirmed.   
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While this doesn't guarantee an injury free Owen, I would think it puts his fitness into perspective.
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Postby maguskwt » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:50 am

s@int wrote:
maguskwt wrote:Owen was my favourite player when he was playing for us... He was almost certainly our best player when he was playing for us (Gerrard hasn't reached his full potential yet).

When he left for Real I was heart broken but understoond his decision.

When he left Real for Newcastle I still wanted him to come back. Until recently I still thought he could very well do a job for us and pitied the way his career turned out rather than hate him.

Now that he has joined Man U he has basically burried all the fond memories most liverpool fans still had of him. He had made himself look like a selfish person, not for joining madrid or newcastle, but the way he leapt at the opportunity to sign for the mancs and also the way he came out saying all those things. I for one can't honestly wish him all the best because at his best he can do lots of damage. This is a move that I really blame him personally. It just looks very desperate of him. I can understand the professional reasons he joined, but as a former liverpool star should he be so enthusiastic about it? He didn't show any respect to LFC by doing that.

Now Michael Owen the liverpool star would still be in my memories but he won't be the one who's putting on the man united shirt now. The two just doesn't match. It's just like the Thriller Michael Jackson and a Wacko Jacko who got accused of fondling little boys. The two just doesnt match. So yeah I retract the fact that I wished he stayed injured but I won't wish him best of luck. In fact I wish he won't be successful for them. To me Michael Owen has just lost what's remaining of his "Hero" status...

To be fair to Owen, we didn't try to sign him even when he was on a free,so why should he care what we think anymore. IF HE HAD TURNED US DOWN TO GO TO THE MANCS THAT WOULD BE UNFORGIVABLE, but we didn't even bother to enquire.

I hope he is a complete failure with the mancs. Not because I hate Owen...... but because I hate the mancs.

s@int, it was rafa who didn't want him back... alot of us fans still wanted him back... He was a LFC star not a squad player... If he had to do it he had to do it... but why does he sound to me like he jumped at the opportunity and say things such as "I have to thank Sir Alex for giving me the chance and I will repay by scoring lots of goals"..." When Sir Alex called me I just straight away accepted"... he just sounded like a desperate little kid... at least preserve his dignity and explain why he joined the mancs just like what Barry did when he joined man city... Even though Barry's explanation might be :censored: he preserved his dignity...
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Postby bigmick » Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:58 am

Well I think it's quite possible (and I know what reaction this'll bring) that Owen was a bit hurt that Rafa didn't think he was worth a shot even on a free. He probably feels he has a point to prove to our manager, as well as the opportunity to rebuild his career.

When all said and done it's a brave move by the manager you've got to give him that. If whoever we bring in doesn't hit the ground running, then the comparisons between him and Owen will be obvious. If boy wonder begins to fire at Man Utd, the media will be all over it. There will be lots of sideways glances and raised eyebrows, and some of the dissenting voices may even be coming from inside our own dressing room. It's inconcieveable that Owen won't have said to Carragher, "tell Rafa that if wants me I'll be there in a shot".

As for the medical exam, maybe we could get Deggen to go through it once he gets himself fit again.
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