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by **GYBS** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:52 am

was it

didnt seem that way to me as i have been watching and wasnt going to post for a while but Owen stirred my emotions as i cheered my heart out for him for so long :;):

by **Kharhaz** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:53 am

s@int wrote:
LFC4allseasons wrote:He's gone to United. FACT
He's cut his ties with Liverpool. FACT

Let United fans concentrate on him, we have our pre-season starting in less than two weeks. Our attention should be elsewhere other than somebody who left us five years ago.

I agree

Right you both are. :nod

Sod the little swine, hes united problem. I hope ferguson is relying on him to score goals and the little sod is consistent with his recent performances (as in being injured). I really hope this signing bites the bitter manc in the backside, what he thought was a masterstroke signing, turns out to be his bane.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:53 am

GYBS wrote:
aCe' wrote:
GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:Owen went to Madrid on less money than he was offered at Liverpool...... FACT

Owen wanted to sign for Liverpool for less money than Newcastle were offering him ....... FACT

Owen could get more money at Hull (guaranteed) than with the mancs ........ FACT

Why didnt he give Rafa a season ?

Why did he sign for newcastle if he wanted to sign for us ?

Do you think he has ever truely had liverpool in his heart saint ?

He didn't give Rafa a season, because he didn't believe in Rafa's ideas (same as Carra and Gerrard didn't!)

He signed for Newcastle because we couldn't afford the transfer fee.

I think more to the point is did Liverpool fans ever have Owen in their hearts.

Do you think half the players that play for us are playing because they love Liverpool? Try offering them £20k a week less and see how much they love Liverpool!

But what about those players that came up through the ranks saint - those players that were coached and honed by liverpool and turned into world class players - Carra and Gerrard both stayed because they believed in the club - owen didnt - while he was at liverpool owen was idolised . i still liked him when he went to madrid cause i did understand why - Owen could of turned down newcastle and then he could of come to us but he didnt .

Another question - do you want him to do well ?

ffs even if he had rejected Newcastle... whos to say we would have agreed terms with Madrid ?! we werent willing to match their asking price... you think theyd sell him for cheap just because we were he preferred destination.... fcking get real here for a minute...
we didnt want him enough to get him... more than once... its not like he rejected a contract from us to joice newcastle or manutd ?!
When he joined Madrid, he was seen by many as one of the worlds best players, playing for an underachieving side who werent able to match his ambitions in terms of silverware... Real Madrid were the best side in world football and they offered him the chance to play for what could possibly be considered the best club side in football history.. alongside players of similar calibre to his... quite hard to turn them down .. even harder when you consider Rafa was the guy taking over at Liverpool.. ca see him coming in first day... "well, none of you are gonna play 2 games in a row... dont care if you score 4 goals in a game Owen, you are not going to be starting week in week out"....

As i said.. turned out to be a wrong decision from his part but it was understandable.... same with the Newcastle move.... same with the ManUtd move....

umm Ace you need to read my post and you will see where i have said i understand why he went to madrid and im glad we didnt get him in the end when you consider he only played 60 odd games in 4 seasons - and put his country before his club .

Now he is at the mancs i hope his career goes even more downhill and he flops massively there for them and achieves feck all with them just like he has since he left us - we have improved massively since he left and will improve even more without him .

Owens career as a top striker is over IMO and we will never see the Owen we did at Liverpool or Madrid .

I want players at the club who are there for the club and not for themselves - players who heart are at the club and who looks for the gains of the team not himself .

FFS GYBS get real mate. How many of our foreign players are here because they "love Liverpool?" They are here for the money and the chance to play for a top club in the prem. If the mancs, Arsenal or Chelsea had offered more money most of them would be playing for another club now. The only exception to the rule is probably Torres.

by **bigmick** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:55 am

s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:Owen went to Madrid on less money than he was offered at Liverpool...... FACT

Owen wanted to sign for Liverpool for less money than Newcastle were offering him ....... FACT

Owen could get more money at Hull (guaranteed) than with the mancs ........ FACT

Why didnt he give Rafa a season ?

Why did he sign for newcastle if he wanted to sign for us ?

Do you think he has ever truely had liverpool in his heart saint ?

He didn't give Rafa a season, because he didn't believe in Rafa's ideas (same as Carra and Gerrard didn't!)

He signed for Newcastle because we couldn't afford the transfer fee.

I think more to the point is did Liverpool fans ever have Owen in their hearts.

Do you think half the players that play for us are playing because they love Liverpool? Try offering them £20k a week less and see how much they love Liverpool!

This is spot on. Alonso has recently alluded to the fact that tax has gone up from 40% to 50 %, anybody who thinks players aren't in for money to a large extent is deluding themselves. It's not ALL money, but a lot of it is for sure.

All the badge kissing is b0ll0cks.

by **GYBS** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:57 am

Whcih players ? Pepe ? masher ? kuyt ? Xabi ? how many players came to us purely on money reasons as opposed to coming to us because of 1. the manager or 2. the club .

I bet everyone steps onto the pitch with the sole aim of doing well for the club as opposed to wanting to do well for himself ? clubs gains over personal gains ? maybe its a romantic old fashioned way of thinking but its what i believe the majority of our team do .

by **bigmick** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:01 am

GYBS wrote:Whcih players ? Pepe ? masher ? kuyt ? Xabi ? how many players came to us purely on money reasons as opposed to coming to us because of 1. the manager or 2. the club .

Ah right, I get it now. If they come to us, it's because of the manager (particularly if they are considered a "success", if not it's down to Fecking Parry :angry:

).

If on the other hand they don't decide to sign for us, like GazBaz for instance, it's nothing to do with the manager or the methodology. It's because they're a money grabbing c...

Now I see it.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:03 am

GYBS wrote:Whcih players ? Pepe ? masher ? kuyt ? Xabi ? how many players came to us purely on money reasons as opposed to coming to us because of 1. the manager or 2. the club .

I bet everyone steps onto the pitch with the sole aim of doing well for the club as opposed to wanting to do well for himself ? clubs gains over personal gains ? maybe its a romantic old fashioned way of thinking but its what i believe the majority of our team do .

You are living in the 60's mate, this is 2009 players go where the money is. Why do you think we offered Torres a new contract ? Because we love him so much or because we were worried that someone might come in for him?

by **GYBS** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:04 am

I said because of the manager or the club mick as opposed to coming for money reasons only - many players we have signed have stated they signed because of the club and because of the manager as opposed to only for money - Barry stated last summer he wanted to leave because he wanted CL footy - but he went to City on massive wages - who knows his real reasons for going there but many can take a guess but i still dont remember him deciding not to sign for us ?!

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:05 am

bigmick wrote:
GYBS wrote:Whcih players ? Pepe ? masher ? kuyt ? Xabi ? how many players came to us purely on money reasons as opposed to coming to us because of 1. the manager or 2. the club .

Ah right, I get it now. If they come to us, it's because of the manager (particularly if they are considered a "success", if not it's down to Fecking Parry ).

If on the other hand they don't decide to sign for us, like GazBaz for instance, it's nothing to do with the manager or the methodology. It's because they're a money grabbing c...

Now I see it.

by **GYBS** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:07 am

s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:Whcih players ? Pepe ? masher ? kuyt ? Xabi ? how many players came to us purely on money reasons as opposed to coming to us because of 1. the manager or 2. the club .

I bet everyone steps onto the pitch with the sole aim of doing well for the club as opposed to wanting to do well for himself ? clubs gains over personal gains ? maybe its a romantic old fashioned way of thinking but its what i believe the majority of our team do .

You are living in the 60's mate, this is 2009 players go where the money is. Why do you think we offered Torres a new contract ? Because we love him so much or because we were worried that someone might come in for him?

Or maybe as a reward for doing so well for us - surely that can be a reason . He was given a pay rise because his performances for his club were outstanding - just like normal people in normal jobs get pay rises for doing a great job .

by **GYBS** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:08 am

Anyway can see where this is going so will catch you later saint .

by **Dundalk** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:09 am

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/2872365/ :glare:

by **LFC4allseasons** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:10 am

GYBS wrote:I said because of the manager or the club mick as opposed to coming for money reasons only - many players we have signed have stated they signed because of the club and because of the manager as opposed to only for money - Barry stated last summer he wanted to leave because he wanted CL footy - but he went to City on massive wages - who knows his real reasons for going there but many can take a guess but i still dont remember him deciding not to sign for us ?!

Sorry lad but what people say holds no truth. Most of them come out and say "I supported Liverpool as a kid" when it's clear they didn't.

I'd like to think our players wanna play for the club because of it's history and tradition. But some players do come here for the money, just like any other club. Some stay here because of the money i.e. Diao.

Most players in the modern world go where the money is, Michael Owen is no different in that sense. What hurts more is he's gone to Man United and shown no loyalty to this club by doing so. Whereas Torres has publicly stated he'd never play for Real Madrid because of his loyalty and ties at Athletico.

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:10 am

GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:Whcih players ? Pepe ? masher ? kuyt ? Xabi ? how many players came to us purely on money reasons as opposed to coming to us because of 1. the manager or 2. the club .

I bet everyone steps onto the pitch with the sole aim of doing well for the club as opposed to wanting to do well for himself ? clubs gains over personal gains ? maybe its a romantic old fashioned way of thinking but its what i believe the majority of our team do .

You are living in the 60's mate, this is 2009 players go where the money is. Why do you think we offered Torres a new contract ? Because we love him so much or because we were worried that someone might come in for him?

Or maybe as a reward for doing so well for us - surely that can be a reason . He was given a pay rise because his performances for his club were outstanding - just like normal people in normal jobs get pay rises for doing a great job .

So it had nothing to do with Man City's interest in him then ? It was just coincidence that we offered him a new contract shortly after they declared they were interested in signing him ? :laugh:

by **bigmick** » Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:11 am

All of that said of course, I think Owen is a c... for signing for Man Utd. When all said and done, that ought to be a no-no for a Liverpool player who has come through the ranks.

I think Rafa has made a huge mistake in allowing him to got there (because Owen would have signed for us in a heartbeat) and I think Owen shouldn't have gone there of all places.

As for predictions about how he'll go, my guess is that he will begin the season on the bench behind Berbatov and Rooney. If he stays fit though, my gues is that he will edge his way into the team and score extremely regularly. Once that happens, we will be casting envious glances over there each time Torres has to come off or gets injured.

Hopefully, whichever player we buy in from whichever far flung land a) settles in and does the business instantly and b) doesn't get injured. Failing that, hopefully David N'Gog prooves me wrong and becomes the new Thierry Henri, as opposed to the new Terry Henry (our old window cleaner at the Dog and Fox).

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