Liverpool FC Forum

by **Sabre** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:22 pm

Migueldadon wrote:I would have to say that although Alonso had the more productive season of the two Mascherano has world class intangibles that should set him apart from alonso, Mascherano is probably the best defensive minded midfielder in world football atm, a position which is not that easy to replace. For Liverpools sake if they had to sell one, In my opinion they should go and sell alonso, but as a utd supporter, I hope they sell Mascherano.

LOL, an honest United fan.

Ban him

by **bunglemark2** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:35 pm

Sabre wrote:
Migueldadon wrote:I would have to say that although Alonso had the more productive season of the two Mascherano has world class intangibles that should set him apart from alonso, Mascherano is probably the best defensive minded midfielder in world football atm, a position which is not that easy to replace. For Liverpools sake if they had to sell one, In my opinion they should go and sell alonso, but as a utd supporter, I hope they sell Mascherano.

LOL, an honest United fan.

Ban him

Don't ban him, mate...That's FAR too polite....Find out where he lives, and stone him !!

by **maguskwt** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:50 pm

akumaface wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Do you know what i cant get my head around is Arby wanting to go to Madrid,well sopposedly, if he feels Johnson is a threat an he wont get a regular game, then why put himself up against Ramos. I think hed get more games here than he would being in direct compertition with Ramas,

This is the same question i have in mind. Maybe Rafa sees or knows something we don't about Arby. If Rafa didn't buy Arby, he would probably be still playing for some unknown small club let alone playing for Spain....The chances of him playing here is also greater. There simply is no chance Arby will be playing ahead of Ramos. You guys think Arby waiting to leave is due to his on field clash with Carra? It seems to me thing were boiling long before the actual event.....

The thing is... the situation might not be in rafa's hands... because during that Q&A session with rafa about Johnson's purchase, he said along the lines of Arbeloa only having one year left in his contract so it's sensible to bring in another RB... meaning Rafa's hands might have been forced... for all you know Arbeloa could have hinted he might not sign a contract extension. And it might not be Rafa who initiated this replacement... because if you look at it Rafa was quite eager to seal the deal that would bring Johnson... explains how much we paid for him because City and Chelsea were in for him too... I have a feeling Rafa was abit desperate to secure a good full back...

by **Migueldadon** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:05 pm

loopyliverpool wrote:
Migueldadon wrote:I would have to say that although Alonso had the more productive season of the two Mascherano has world class intangibles that should set him apart from alonso, Mascherano is probably the best defensive minded midfielder in world football atm, a position which is not that easy to replace. For Liverpools sake if they had to sell one, In my opinion they should go and sell alonso, but as a utd supporter, I hope they sell Mascherano.

Think you should stick to your own and do one or are Utd's forums so dull you have to get some stimulating discussion elsewhere?

Even in the forum department we are the best club in England. :devil:

by **Number 9** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:26 pm

Migueldadon wrote:
loopyliverpool wrote:
Migueldadon wrote:I would have to say that although Alonso had the more productive season of the two Mascherano has world class intangibles that should set him apart from alonso, Mascherano is probably the best defensive minded midfielder in world football atm, a position which is not that easy to replace. For Liverpools sake if they had to sell one, In my opinion they should go and sell alonso, but as a utd supporter, I hope they sell Mascherano.

Think you should stick to your own and do one or are Utd's forums so dull you have to get some stimulating discussion elsewhere?

Even in the forum department we are the best club in England.

Well then fu'ck off to your Scum forum!

If its so great what you want on here?

by **NANNY RED** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:34 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Migueldadon wrote:
loopyliverpool wrote:
Migueldadon wrote:I would have to say that although Alonso had the more productive season of the two Mascherano has world class intangibles that should set him apart from alonso, Mascherano is probably the best defensive minded midfielder in world football atm, a position which is not that easy to replace. For Liverpools sake if they had to sell one, In my opinion they should go and sell alonso, but as a utd supporter, I hope they sell Mascherano.

Think you should stick to your own and do one or are Utd's forums so dull you have to get some stimulating discussion elsewhere?

Even in the forum department we are the best club in England.

Well then fu'ck off to your Scum forum!

If its so great what you want on here?

LEAVE SOFT OLLIES ALONE HES TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT FOOTIE

by **Number 9** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:39 pm

NANNY RED wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Migueldadon wrote:
loopyliverpool wrote:
Migueldadon wrote:I would have to say that although Alonso had the more productive season of the two Mascherano has world class intangibles that should set him apart from alonso, Mascherano is probably the best defensive minded midfielder in world football atm, a position which is not that easy to replace. For Liverpools sake if they had to sell one, In my opinion they should go and sell alonso, but as a utd supporter, I hope they sell Mascherano.

Think you should stick to your own and do one or are Utd's forums so dull you have to get some stimulating discussion elsewhere?

Even in the forum department we are the best club in England.

Well then fu'ck off to your Scum forum!

If its so great what you want on here?

LEAVE SOFT OLLIES ALONE HES TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT FOOTIE

Its probably gary neville...he's got got fu'ck all else to do,Fergie does'nt love him anymore!Awwwwww!

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:46 am

You know what , if xabi can't be bothered to come out and say that he wants to say , i think rafa should just sell him , no player is bigger than the club and xabi is acting like a brat. He is the only one who can put this madrid rumors to bed and he's quite happy at the moment to let them carry on.

by **bigmick** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:22 am

Toffeehater wrote:You know what , if xabi can't be bothered to come out and say that he wants to say , i think rafa should just sell him , no player is bigger than the club and xabi is acting like a brat. He is the only one who can put this madrid rumors to bed and he's quite happy at the moment to let them carry on.

To be totally honest Toff', I'm not particularly enamoured with either Alonso or Masherano, but at least I think Xabi has a modicum of an excuse.

He was after all treated quite shabbily last Summer by the manager, and it was only the fact that nobody was prepared to pay 16 million quid for him which prevented him being sold on. I think it's to his utmost credit as a professional and as a man that despite that, he came back and had his best season in a Liverpool shirt (even better that his first season, at least I think so anyway). Given all of that, and also to be fair given Rafa's slight slowness out of the blocks even this time around with his "he's going nowhere" speech, I can understand a bit of fence sitting on his part. He would look a bit of a mug if he said "I want to finish my career at Liverpool", only to discover the manager has flogged him off while he's been saying it.

That said, a bit of "look I'm happy at Liverpool. I've signed a contract, and unless the club decide otherwise I'm very happy to honour it" wouldn't go amiss.

In the case of Masherano, it's slightly different in my view. Granted if his Mrs wants him to go he's probably gone, but the way his agent is carrying on is a bit out of order I think. He has no excuse as far as the club is concerned, and his mutterings about Barca and Madrid, as well as that from his advisors lack a bit of class.

I think it's one thing to keep schtum and keep your options open, but it's quite another to prostitute yourself to the clubs you'd like to play for. It's fairly clear to me that in both cases, but particularly in the case of Masherano, if they are playing for us next season it will definately be not by first choice, which is a shame.

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:26 am

Thats a fair enough post mick but don't foget xabi wasn't at his best for 3 seasons after his first , this barry saga was exactly the kick he needed up the backside and he has performed much much better since . He has to remember that rafa stood by him for 3 seasons awaiting his best and xabi didn't deliver and thus he went on to look for a replacement , now that xabi has found his form back , he should be thankful in a way that the barry saga worked out perfectly for him and he now has a host of clubs interested in him .I feel that masch also is the reason why xabi has been much better thus season . He also came back to form coincidentally when he and masch have been playing together for the most part of this season , masch clears and does the dirty work and xabi is allowed to play his game without having to worry much about the defensive side of it .

As for Mascherano i think he's looking for a pay rise to stay as well , 30k a week is bull tbh for a player of his calibre and if i had to pick now one to stay , i'd say masch , he wears his heart on his sleeve and the only other motivating factor which will force him to move like your mentioned is his wife.

by **Sabre** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:08 am

Thats a fair enough post mick but don't foget xabi wasn't at his best for 3 seasons after his first , this barry saga was exactly the kick he needed up the backside and he has performed much much better since . He has to remember that rafa stood by him for 3 seasons awaiting his best and xabi didn't deliver and thus he went on to look for a replacement , now that xabi has found his form back , he should be thankful in a way that the barry saga worked out perfectly for him and he now has a host of clubs interested in him .I feel that masch also is the reason why xabi has been much better thus season . He also came back to form coincidentally when he and masch have been playing together for the most part of this season , masch clears and does the dirty work and xabi is allowed to play his game without having to worry much about the defensive side of it .

I disagree on many fronts, but that's what forums are about:

* Xabi is a better player than when he arrived Liverpool. He has learned a lot in Liverpool and he's undoubtlely a better player than in the first season.

* Xabi hadn't the best of seasons the previous season, nor the previous to that one, but not the best doesn't mean poor nor average. I didn't see many fans complaining about him renewing his contract for 5 years (except one or two fans), and that consensus is difficult to find when a player's performance is average. I think that few people wouldn't consider the signing up of Xabi one of the best in the last 5 years. My point is Xabi no doubt has a lot to be grateful to Liverpool, but I think he has served the club more than well.

* I agree Mascherano and Alonso do a good partnership Toffee, but when Mascherano was absent due to him playing for Argentina, Alonso and Gerrard did a very good partnership at the start of the season, and the results were very good in term of points.

----------

On the other hand, I'm not too "enamorado" with Xabi's sounds in the press either. The last report I had from the surroundings of his father said that he was well tired of hearing rumours about him going to Madrid, but the truth is that he doesn't dismiss them. Perhaps, this is where the effects of last year saga are being noticed, and Xabi just wants Rafa takes his decission.

Anyhow, the moment of truth will come now. If Alonso comes here and start forcing a situation like AS are asking him to do, then I will be the first one to insult Xabi, and he'll become the next Real Madrid cúnt (I support clubs not players). But so far I can't blame him too much.

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:19 am

You do have a point but we stood by xabi for 3 seasons when he wasn't at his best . Yes form is temporary , class is permanent but for 3 seasons we had yet to see him replicate the form that he did in his first season , than suddenly last season , the xabi alonso of the old returned with a brilliant season , argubably better than his first season with us. Its just that i don't understand why he hasn't come out and said that he not interested with a move , which means he is contemplating the idea . He was a former real sociedad player and moving to madrid will be like torres from athletico going over to real , stevie moving to everton or manure. He is a born and bred basque as well.
If he does go , he's no different from ronaldo , he doesn't have a excuse , being almost sold is not one when he himself knows he wasn't at his best

by **heimdall** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:44 am

Toffeehater wrote:Thats a fair enough post mick but don't foget xabi wasn't at his best for 3 seasons after his first , this barry saga was exactly the kick he needed up the backside and he has performed much much better since . He has to remember that rafa stood by him for 3 seasons awaiting his best and xabi didn't deliver and thus he went on to look for a replacement , now that xabi has found his form back , he should be thankful in a way that the barry saga worked out perfectly for him and he now has a host of clubs interested in him .I feel that masch also is the reason why xabi has been much better thus season . He also came back to form coincidentally when he and masch have been playing together for the most part of this season , masch clears and does the dirty work and xabi is allowed to play his game without having to worry much about the defensive side of it .

As for Mascherano i think he's looking for a pay rise to stay as well , 30k a week is bull tbh for a player of his calibre and if i had to pick now one to stay , i'd say masch , he wears his heart on his sleeve and the only other motivating factor which will force him to move like your mentioned is his wife.

This excuse about the money is bullsh1t in my opinion, if he was dumb enough to sign a contract where he earns so "little", which I very much doubt by the way, then he has to live with it. What would happen to us if we start working at a company for a good salary and then almost immediately start to bitch and moan about it, I'm sure we'd find ourselves on the street before too long.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't really like Mascha, if I'm very honest I don't really like Argentinian players, they are skilful but in terms of personality, loyalty and ethics it's not so good.

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:59 am

heimdall wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:Thats a fair enough post mick but don't foget xabi wasn't at his best for 3 seasons after his first , this barry saga was exactly the kick he needed up the backside and he has performed much much better since . He has to remember that rafa stood by him for 3 seasons awaiting his best and xabi didn't deliver and thus he went on to look for a replacement , now that xabi has found his form back , he should be thankful in a way that the barry saga worked out perfectly for him and he now has a host of clubs interested in him .I feel that masch also is the reason why xabi has been much better thus season . He also came back to form coincidentally when he and masch have been playing together for the most part of this season , masch clears and does the dirty work and xabi is allowed to play his game without having to worry much about the defensive side of it .

As for Mascherano i think he's looking for a pay rise to stay as well , 30k a week is bull tbh for a player of his calibre and if i had to pick now one to stay , i'd say masch , he wears his heart on his sleeve and the only other motivating factor which will force him to move like your mentioned is his wife.

This excuse about the money is bullsh1t in my opinion, if he was dumb enough to sign a contract where he earns so "little", which I very much doubt by the way, then he has to live with it. What would happen to us if we start working at a company for a good salary and then almost immediately start to bitch and moan about it, I'm sure we'd find ourselves on the street before too long.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, I don't really like Mascha, if I'm very honest I don't really like Argentinian players, they are skilful but in terms of personality, loyalty and ethics it's not so good.

, you just made my day sir. Would you think 30k a week is fair for him ? Based on his performances this last 2 season i'd say he deserves a raise. FFS players like carrick , scholes , anderson are all above 50k and to be fair masch is much better than them . Loyalty wise , now thats just :censored:

, masch wears his heart on his sleeve , he's passionate about the club and gives his all in every match. Messi has rejected moves a couple of times , masch has turned barca down once and i'm confident he will do it again. That statment about argentina players not being loyal is a bang out of order mate , the only one you can take into account is the money grabbing :censored:

tevez

by **Bad Bob** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 11:30 am

Toffeehater wrote:You do have a point but we stood by xabi for 3 seasons when he wasn't at his best . Yes form is temporary , class is permanent but for 3 seasons we had yet to see him replicate the form that he did in his first season , than suddenly last season , the xabi alonso of the old returned with a brilliant season , argubably better than his first season with us. Its just that i don't understand why he hasn't come out and said that he not interested with a move , which means he is contemplating the idea . He was a former real sociedad player and moving to madrid will be like torres from athletico going over to real , stevie moving to everton or manure. He is a born and bred basque as well.
If he does go , he's no different from ronaldo , he doesn't have a excuse , being almost sold is not one when he himself knows he wasn't at his best

Let's not forget those "below his best" seasons involved some significant time missed for injuries. Torres was "below his best" this past season as well, relative to the numbers he put up in his first season for us, but no one really has begrudged him that given his poor luck with injuries. Yet, Alonso doesn't seem to get the same benefit of the doubt with some.

Liverpool FC Forum

Mascherano and alonso wanted by spanish giants - If it came down to losing one...

Mascherano and alonso wanted by spanish giants - If it came down to losing one...

Who is online