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by **Homebooby** » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:49 pm

stmichael wrote:This is an excellent article. Infact it should be sent to every media hack in the country:

http://bleacherreport.com/article....ll-club

I think I found that article more erotic than I should have

by **Dalglish** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:21 am

Theres only one thing worse than people talking about you .........................when their NOT talking about you.

It's slightly annoying yes when the hacks try to drum up a few sales on the back of non stories but at the same time hugely rewarding to have your club spculated upon all the time as it's a sign that we are significant and genuine challengers.

by **JC_81** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:24 am

Dalglish wrote:Theres only one thing worse than people talking about you .........................when their NOT talking about you.

It's slightly annoying yes when the hacks try to drum up a few sales on the back of non stories but at the same time hugely rewarding to have your club spculated upon all the time as it's a sign that we are significant and genuine challengers.

Very true mate.

Even think back to the CL winning side of 2005 - the only player teams wanted to buy was Gerrard. This summer he's about the only player teams haven't been trying to buy.

It's been claimed that we haven't progressed enough under Benitez in the last 5 years... absolute nonsense

by **Kharhaz** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:28 am

Ciggy wrote:That the british press & media really have it in for Liverpool football club?

The Times one of the broadsheets sunk to a new low yesterday with Torres to Chelsea for 60 million and Alonso for 18 million.

Dont get me wrong any club would love these two players, but lets not let the facts get in the way of scaremongering, Nando has just signed a new contract a few weeks ago, made a statement that he loves Liverpool so much and would not leave for more money. Yet The Times and Sunday S*n say he's on his way to Chelsea.

What part of the Nando interview do they not understand?
Even the yanks arnt that stupid to sell Nando as they know we have some fans who are naive and think there is nothing going on at the club and they bought us Nando so they are great !!!

Not only have they linked most of our first team away they have even done the deals for us with player exchanges aswell.
In the last year we have had.

Masch to Barca or Madrid, Alonso to Madrid, Agger to AC Milan, Kuyt to Hamburg, Gerrard to AC Milan, Man United or Madrid, Benayoun to both Madrid teams, Arbeloa to Madrid, Reina to Barca, Voro to Valencia + cash in exchange for Silva Babel to Galatasaray, Dossena to Juventus, Torres to Man U, Chelsea, City, Barca, Madrid, AC Milan.

Just some examples of what we are dealing with how many of these deals have come off? How many of these deals will happen? Possibly none do they just print these stories hoping that a deal will happen to say see we are right? Mean while whipping the fans into a frenzie message boards flooded with sheer horror at the prospect of losing our whole team.

And now onto the yanks, yes I hate them, yes I wish they would sell, yes I wish they had never bought us.
But its the media that is to blame for all of our hatred of them since the klinnsman saga since they reported that Ive hated the yanks for the slyness of it all. Then we had them reporting about the Yanks selling to DIC a few months after they took over, then we have had Kuwaities, and Indians all soon to become our new owners.

But the yanks are still here so all them reports where probably false but it also didnt help when the yanks where demanding a ludicrous amount for the club so investors/new owners walked away.

But if this had all happened behind closed doors none of us would have been the wiser, and just plodded along. Thinking everything in the garden was rosy and the yanks where the best owners since sliced bread. But no our accounts and our debt is there for all to see, not only for us the fans but every one, other clubs, other managers, potential new owners, every one.

And this makes us a complete and utter laughing stock Evertonains and Mancs, haha its your own fault you wanted investors to move you forward, they are skint and your in debt up to your ears all pointing the finger and laughing.

Not that the mancs have much to laugh about our debt dwalves theirs yet the media dont tell you that, oh no we cant upset Sir Alex.

Their yanks have to re-finance like ours do their interest repayments are 80-90 million pound a year, they force their fans to buy tickets from Man United credit cards, they have the auto cup scheme where the ticket money for cup games is automaticaly taken out of their bank accounts whether they have money in their accounts to pay for them tickets or not.

But there is no uproar this is in small print in the press or not atall. Plus their fans dont complain because they are winning trophys on a regular basis and buying good & world class players. But when Furgie leaves thats when the sh!t will hit the fan of the media darlings. Lets not mention the fact that their two world class players have just left thats 3 quarters of their attack gone is their any concerns or lambasting of Furgie for letting them leave? No chance !!! Slur will be alright he always is they wont miss their 42 goals in one season winger/striker not a chance, no point in reporting it its a none story. Just wait till next season when that diving cheating greasy hairless gobsh!te isnt their to win them free kicks. Or the Argentinian terrier isnt their to bring off the bench to change the result of a game. They are going to struggle big time and thats not just me hoping its a FACT!!!

Now onto Chelsea Abramovic has lost billions in this recession their team is ageing and still trying to get their hands on the one trophy that keeps avading them the CL, if and when they win that me along with a lot of others think Roman will take his money out and move onto pastures new.

They sack their managers on a regular basis if Roman walked away tommorrow he would take all his money out leaving them in more debt than us, do the media report of print this?
No chance, why not? Answers on a postcard...........

And now onto the wonderfull Gunners who's kids pull off a one game performance playing one touch football, inhilating the opposition 6-0 in a cup game. Havent won a trophy for 5 years yet the wonderfull Professor Yaffel never comes under scrutiny because they play on the odd occasion sexy total football, with little triangles, everyone in the media w@nking themselves silly over them until they play the Boltons and Stoke Citys of the world. Not a word mentioned then, no orgasms from the SSN pundits, no linking their players away all over Europe in the transfer window even though they very nearly missed out on a CL spot last season.

And would have if Villa hadnt have bottled it, and if Everton hadnt hadnt have been so sh!t at home. And if they had have missed out on it they would have been in serious trouble paying for the Emirates but thats not worth writting about so we wont print it.

I dont know if most if these journo's have had their stereo's stollen whilst visiting Liverpool by them scousers, or they got food poisoning from a Fat Spanish Waiter.

Maybe I am just being paranoid?

Out of interest Ciggy, is that RAWK offal? I ask as both Man Utd and Chelsea have been tried and tested with the media, and now its Liverpools turn. The one thing I have noticed with RAWK is that we are the victims, the we being scousers, and no reasoning is needed as the replies are usually from scousers on RAWK. Lets not get caught up in a "feel sorry for us" kind of way, the media have jabbed for a reaction, and with our club we have responded.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:15 am

aCe' wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
aCe' wrote:No hidden agenda as far as im concerned just journalists trying to break the news before everyone else does....

So why arnt they linking every player away from other clubs? dont let your hatred for Rafa cloud your judgement for once, the media have an Anti-Liverpool agenda, just like you have an Anti-rafa agenda.

This morning for instance what was the top story on SSN?

Gillet selling the Montreal Canadians
or
Ronaldo saying he planned all year to move to madrid.

I know which story is far bigger and its not about the Canadian.

If you had actually read my post you'd know that the answers to your questions are actually there...
And im not anti-Rafa, not the way you for instance would think anyways... Personally i think hes a very good coach... He'd probably have Mancity, Everton, Aston Villa or Tottenham challenging seripously for a CL spot if he managed them... no doubt in my mind about that.... is he good enough to win the league ? not to me.. not unless he changes his ways (1/3 of a season out of 5 seasons or so isnt enough to convince me)...
When it comes to man management i think hes cack... Keane, Crouch, Alonso, Pennant, Finnan..etc etc.. its a pattern and quite honestly i find it hard to believe otherwise...

Its typical though and expected.... the journos are against us... so are the refs.... so is the F.A...etc etc
If we had won the league i dont think any of this would have been seriously discussed..Top players who play for big clubs that continually fail to win major honors are always likely to want to move elsewhere when opportunity knocks... The players know that, Rafa knows it, journos know it, and thats what all the fuss is about.... add to that the few other negatives surrounding our club atm and most neutrals would find whats being printed believable to say the least...
Mascheranos wife came out saying she was unsettled in England... Journos report that.. Barcelona re interested.. they report that too.... does that mean theyr against us...
Pretty much the same for Alonso...
The Pepe thing wasnt even that big when it came out... you as a Liverpool supporter probably thought it was, but im sure many Arsenal, Chelsea...etc supporters just thought eh whatever...
Torres to whoever was always a joke... whos to say they hadnt put a bid in... maybe they did, and it was reported... not much to it and doesnt mean anything...

Arsenal get quite a bit of negative press aswell dont you think...
VanPersie doesnt want to sign..bla bla.... Toure off to City blah blah.. Arshavin unsettled and wants to leave.... Adebayor deffo out of the Emirates...Fabregas to Barcelona...Clichy to Barcelona... etc etc... Why ? same as us... havent won anything major in a few years so it makes sense if some of their players would consider moving to other 'bigger' clubs who are more likely to offer silverware, and maybe a fatter paycheck as well...

Again... dont think theres much in it... inferiority complex ? ermm not sure many would like that !

No, you're right. The winning, siege mentality the players have now, but didn't have before, is all despite Rafa's "cack man-management"...

Go and plant yourself, you cabbage.

by **aCe'** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:22 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
aCe' wrote:No hidden agenda as far as im concerned just journalists trying to break the news before everyone else does....

So why arnt they linking every player away from other clubs? dont let your hatred for Rafa cloud your judgement for once, the media have an Anti-Liverpool agenda, just like you have an Anti-rafa agenda.

This morning for instance what was the top story on SSN?

Gillet selling the Montreal Canadians
or
Ronaldo saying he planned all year to move to madrid.

I know which story is far bigger and its not about the Canadian.

If you had actually read my post you'd know that the answers to your questions are actually there...
And im not anti-Rafa, not the way you for instance would think anyways... Personally i think hes a very good coach... He'd probably have Mancity, Everton, Aston Villa or Tottenham challenging seripously for a CL spot if he managed them... no doubt in my mind about that.... is he good enough to win the league ? not to me.. not unless he changes his ways (1/3 of a season out of 5 seasons or so isnt enough to convince me)...
When it comes to man management i think hes cack... Keane, Crouch, Alonso, Pennant, Finnan..etc etc.. its a pattern and quite honestly i find it hard to believe otherwise...

Its typical though and expected.... the journos are against us... so are the refs.... so is the F.A...etc etc
If we had won the league i dont think any of this would have been seriously discussed..Top players who play for big clubs that continually fail to win major honors are always likely to want to move elsewhere when opportunity knocks... The players know that, Rafa knows it, journos know it, and thats what all the fuss is about.... add to that the few other negatives surrounding our club atm and most neutrals would find whats being printed believable to say the least...
Mascheranos wife came out saying she was unsettled in England... Journos report that.. Barcelona re interested.. they report that too.... does that mean theyr against us...
Pretty much the same for Alonso...
The Pepe thing wasnt even that big when it came out... you as a Liverpool supporter probably thought it was, but im sure many Arsenal, Chelsea...etc supporters just thought eh whatever...
Torres to whoever was always a joke... whos to say they hadnt put a bid in... maybe they did, and it was reported... not much to it and doesnt mean anything...

Arsenal get quite a bit of negative press aswell dont you think...
VanPersie doesnt want to sign..bla bla.... Toure off to City blah blah.. Arshavin unsettled and wants to leave.... Adebayor deffo out of the Emirates...Fabregas to Barcelona...Clichy to Barcelona... etc etc... Why ? same as us... havent won anything major in a few years so it makes sense if some of their players would consider moving to other 'bigger' clubs who are more likely to offer silverware, and maybe a fatter paycheck as well...

Again... dont think theres much in it... inferiority complex ? ermm not sure many would like that !

No, you're right. The winning, siege mentality the players have now, but didn't have before, is all despite Rafa's "cack man-management"...

Go and plant yourself, you cabbage.

ffs this has been done over and over again but since theres at least a glimmer of hope that you might actually be interested in discussing the topic here ill go on and reply to your post.
The thing i dont get is when people start saying that players like Carragher, Gerrard, Reina, Alonso..etc have all become better players under Rafa in the past 5 years. Well so what ?! Robinho had his best goalscoring record outside Brazil with ManCity rather than Madrid.. does that mean Hughes is great at man management ? Lennon is a better player now than he was 2 years ago... who gets credit for that ?! Same with Ireland, Bent, Huddlestone, Arbeloa..etc etc they're all better now than they were when they were 12 years old ! Shocker !
The winning mentality you're on about comes from playing for a big club that challenges for titles and has quality players who are able to compete in big matches.. thats why the likes of Dossena go around for 7million while another player of similar quality playing for Catania would only be valued at 2mill....

Again, i cant see where i said that Rafa wasnt a good coach who was capable of getting us good results.. there are aspects of his management however that i think are lacking to say the least, and handling players is certainly one of them as far as im concerned...

by **Boocity** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:30 am

Although i have not read it, the S*n has an article quoting Fergie as saying he has more chance of a hole in one as we have of winning the league.

I cannot believe the lack of response from the press to another one of his rants, he has already had a pop at city and now turns his attention to us. If this had been Rafa or any other manager the press would have had a field day but as its Fergie, nothing.

Okay, we have lost Alonso, disappointing, but its not the end the world. I would say Manu losing Ronaldo & Tevez is more significant. Fergie and the press are stating Manu the ones to beat with Chelsea being the main threat to them, is this the same Chelsea that where written off last year as being too old???

I think Fergie is doing this to deflect from ManU's shortcomings and the press are backing him.

by **Sabre** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:37 am

The Times one of the broadsheets sunk to a new low yesterday with Torres to Chelsea for 60 million and Alonso for 18 million.

Is The Times the broadsheet of most reputation in your country?

by **stmichael** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:52 am

95% of the press in this country talk sh#te. FACT.

I mean one journalist (who shall remain nameless) who makes a decent living, was on the radio the other day saying that he could see us finishing outside the top 4 this season. I mean you couldn't make it up.

I'm deliberately not watching SSN today because I think I'll put my foot through my TV as they read out the normal e-mails from "John from Croydon" saying that there's no way we'll win the League now that Xabi has gone blah blah blah.

by **Boocity** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:55 am

Yes, I heard that on talksport, I nearly laughed my c0ck off

by **akumaface** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:05 am

We are a serious contender that people are love to hate. Also, we are very tough to play against and thus had made some serious enemy over the years. I know it is difficult to swallow sometimes when you read Shlt like this. From what i read, liverpool are always defending in the press. This shows that we are not attacking anyone or making news just by provoking something that is a lie. If those people are naive enough to believe telling lies enough times then it must be true, then let them. No need to remind them or correct them since I prefer to have more stupid people around as it makes the rest of us smarter.

by **heimdall** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:09 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
aCe' wrote:No hidden agenda as far as im concerned just journalists trying to break the news before everyone else does....

So why arnt they linking every player away from other clubs? dont let your hatred for Rafa cloud your judgement for once, the media have an Anti-Liverpool agenda, just like you have an Anti-rafa agenda.

This morning for instance what was the top story on SSN?

Gillet selling the Montreal Canadians
or
Ronaldo saying he planned all year to move to madrid.

I know which story is far bigger and its not about the Canadian.

If you had actually read my post you'd know that the answers to your questions are actually there...
And im not anti-Rafa, not the way you for instance would think anyways... Personally i think hes a very good coach... He'd probably have Mancity, Everton, Aston Villa or Tottenham challenging seripously for a CL spot if he managed them... no doubt in my mind about that.... is he good enough to win the league ? not to me.. not unless he changes his ways (1/3 of a season out of 5 seasons or so isnt enough to convince me)...
When it comes to man management i think hes cack... Keane, Crouch, Alonso, Pennant, Finnan..etc etc.. its a pattern and quite honestly i find it hard to believe otherwise...

Its typical though and expected.... the journos are against us... so are the refs.... so is the F.A...etc etc
If we had won the league i dont think any of this would have been seriously discussed..Top players who play for big clubs that continually fail to win major honors are always likely to want to move elsewhere when opportunity knocks... The players know that, Rafa knows it, journos know it, and thats what all the fuss is about.... add to that the few other negatives surrounding our club atm and most neutrals would find whats being printed believable to say the least...
Mascheranos wife came out saying she was unsettled in England... Journos report that.. Barcelona re interested.. they report that too.... does that mean theyr against us...
Pretty much the same for Alonso...
The Pepe thing wasnt even that big when it came out... you as a Liverpool supporter probably thought it was, but im sure many Arsenal, Chelsea...etc supporters just thought eh whatever...
Torres to whoever was always a joke... whos to say they hadnt put a bid in... maybe they did, and it was reported... not much to it and doesnt mean anything...

Arsenal get quite a bit of negative press aswell dont you think...
VanPersie doesnt want to sign..bla bla.... Toure off to City blah blah.. Arshavin unsettled and wants to leave.... Adebayor deffo out of the Emirates...Fabregas to Barcelona...Clichy to Barcelona... etc etc... Why ? same as us... havent won anything major in a few years so it makes sense if some of their players would consider moving to other 'bigger' clubs who are more likely to offer silverware, and maybe a fatter paycheck as well...

Again... dont think theres much in it... inferiority complex ? ermm not sure many would like that !

No, you're right. The winning, siege mentality the players have now, but didn't have before, is all despite Rafa's "cack man-management"...

Go and plant yourself, you cabbage.

oh dammit Lando you actually came out with a good point and then ruined it by being childish and calling people names again. Come on Lando I know that you can do one post just one where you don't act like a 10 year old.

BTW I think the fact that Alonso left on fairly sh1t terms is down to Rafa's excellent man-management, no??

by **Sabre** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:13 am

Heimdall, that post was from June, before the reset of cards, let it go mate, new season, new mood.

And good post akumaface.

by **bunglemark2** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:13 am

Have to agree with that...I think Rafa has pi$$ed off an awful lot of players and staff since he's been at the club...Not that life is always going to be a bed of roses, what with the amounts of money and inflated egos at stake......but he deffo seems to be lacking in the man-management space...

by **heimdall** » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:14 am

Boocity wrote:Although i have not read it, the S*n has an article quoting Fergie as saying he has more chance of a hole in one as we have of winning the league.

I cannot believe the lack of response from the press to another one of his rants, he has already had a pop at city and now turns his attention to us. If this had been Rafa or any other manager the press would have had a field day but as its Fergie, nothing.

Okay, we have lost Alonso, disappointing, but its not the end the world. I would say Manu losing Ronaldo & Tevez is more significant. Fergie and the press are stating Manu the ones to beat with Chelsea being the main threat to them, is this the same Chelsea that where written off last year as being too old???

I think Fergie is doing this to deflect from ManU's shortcomings and the press are backing him.

I love it, the fact that he's having a rant shows that he is genuinly worried about us, I cannot see manure winning it this season, I think the loss of Ronaldo and Tevez will really cost them. theonly thing that can possible save them is if Shrek has an awesoem season which he is due.
I am not really that scared of Chelsea as I think Ancelotti will need time to get used to the prem but weirder things have happened.
I still maintain this is our best shot at the title in years.

Anyway I'm off to put a few quid on Fergie getting a hole in one.

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