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by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:42 pm

GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:And rafa is making wholesale changes at youth level to try and produce players - but its not as you suggest the fact " as soon as we started signing pedro etc we stopped producing" we still were signing english lads and had english lads in the youth system they just werent good enough . And arsenal dont seem to have a problem with these dripping wet pedros they sign .

Its obviously the manager then, so lets sack Rafa and sign Wenger

Hence why for the first time Rafa now has FULL control over the Academy and will be able to run it the way he wants so maybe we might see more positive results coming through .

Try looking at who our coaches and scouts are and where they come from, then try to think where they are likely to look and have knowledge of, and who they are likely to be able to persuade to join us.

Mauricio Pellegrino - First-team Coach
Paco De Miguel - Fitness Coach
Gonzalo Rodriguez - Fitness Coach
Xavi Valero - Goalkeeping Coach
Antonio Gomez Perez - Reserves Coach
Eduardo Macia - Chief Scout
Mike McGlynn - Assistant Chief Scout

by **bigmick** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:45 pm

s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:
s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:And rafa is making wholesale changes at youth level to try and produce players - but its not as you suggest the fact " as soon as we started signing pedro etc we stopped producing" we still were signing english lads and had english lads in the youth system they just werent good enough . And arsenal dont seem to have a problem with these dripping wet pedros they sign .

Its obviously the manager then, so lets sack Rafa and sign Wenger

Hence why for the first time Rafa now has FULL control over the Academy and will be able to run it the way he wants so maybe we might see more positive results coming through .

Try looking at who our coaches and scouts are and where they come from, then try to think where they are likely to look and have knowledge of, and who they are likely to be able to persuade to join us.

Mauricio Pellegrino - First-team Coach
Paco De Miguel - Fitness Coach
Gonzalo Rodriguez - Fitness Coach
Xavi Valero - Goalkeeping Coach
Antonio Gomez Perez - Reserves Coach
Eduardo Macia - Chief Scout
Mike McGlynn - Assistant Chief Scout

I'll bet a pound to a penny on that Mike McGlynn goes to Spain on his holidays and that he doesn't go "DUO, BEERO'S POUR FA VORE" :laugh:

by **bunglemark2** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:45 pm

LOL !
All we need now is Inigo Montoya to joing the club, hold a sword to the neck of any player who doesn't join, and say "Hallo ! My name in Inigo Montoya....You kill my father - prepare to die...!!"

by **bigmick** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:51 pm

s@int wrote:Try looking at who our coaches and scouts are and where they come from, then try to think where they are likely to look and have knowledge of, and who they are likely to be able to persuade to join us.

Mauricio Pellegrino - First-team Coach
Paco De Miguel - Fitness Coach
Gonzalo Rodriguez - Fitness Coach
Xavi Valero - Goalkeeping Coach
Antonio Gomez Perez - Reserves Coach
Eduardo Macia - Chief Scout
Mike McGlynn - Assistant Chief Scout

Just fractionally overkill perhaps

Just a wee smidge, or is it just me :laugh:

If Rafa ever does leave, I'm going to apply for the coach drivers job. S@int can wash the kit, GYBS can be groundsman, feck me there'll be jobs going for all of us as nobody will be working there anymore

by **GYBS** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:55 pm

Isnt John McMahon our new reserve coach ?

Didnt we just get rid of a load of english coaches so obviously they werent working as we havent produced anyone ?

Yes you have to give youth a chance but you also have evaulate the risk of when to give them a chance - i would rather go for seasoned pros and established internationals when we are going for the title than throwing an inexperienced youngster into the mix in fear of him making a mistake that could haunt him for ever .

You say we arent producing the kids so Rafa overhauls the youth system and thats the wrong way to go about it ? what is the right way then ?

Overly concentrating on foriegn kids yet i have shown we have bloody loads of young english kids within the club just because they arent published in the press as much we are still signing them .

The very best english kids costs millions - as i said before Walcott 10 million plus etc where as you can pick up the best foriegn kids for a lot cheaper as shown by Fabregas Pique(both nutured by our new coach) , the brazilians etc .

You have already stated mick that the kids that have made the impact in the prem are mainly foriegn ones ?

Also i expect the young lads look up to Kuyt and wish they could be scoring double figure goal tallys for liverpool .

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:57 pm

GYBS wrote:Isnt John McMahon our new reserve coach ?

No

by **GYBS** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:58 pm

what is he then ?

by **GYBS** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:59 pm

McMahon New Reserve Team Coach

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:01 pm

GYBS wrote:what is he then ?

Antonio Gomez Perez - Reserves Coach

John McMahon - Reserve Team Manager

As you will have noticed I didn't put our manager or assistant manager down either, as I was talking about coaches and scouts.

by **NANNY RED** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:02 pm

As far as im concerned this is what we actualy need , Weve appointed Frank McParland as the new academy director who will report back to Rafa on a daily basis, Before at the academy there was jobs for the lads , Obviosly there was a concern that we wernt producing top players from the academy so the stucture had to be over hauled , it had to form closer links with Melwood, weve had good kids local kids leave the academy because sometimes there face didnt fit, or were told they wouldnt make it, So hopefully now with the manager taking more control an having more of a say we will actualy start to have kids coming through, of course me being a scouser id like a few local kids to make the grade, but if weve got kids from timbuctoo or where ever an they manage to come through i dont care , as long as we start producing them,

by **GYBS** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:08 pm

So we have signed a highly rated young english coach with scouse connections to work alongside a spanish coach who has helped nuture some of the best footballing talent in the world at barce ?! cant se a problem with that myself .

We have two foriegn coaches doing fitness - well cant see our fitness being a problem

A spanish goalkeeping coach who has helped turn pepe into one of the best in the world

A coach who helped us develop the zonal marking which helped us become one of the strongest units in the prem and in his first season as full time coach we ended up being the top scorers in the league

now scouting maybe a problem as Macia been there a while so maybe thats a problem area ,but Mike McGlynn only been in the job a couple of years

by **bigmick** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:09 pm

NANNY RED wrote:of course me being a scouser id like a few local kids to make the grade, but if weve got kids from timbuctoo or where ever an they manage to come through i dont care , as long as we start producing them,

I just highlighted this part Nan, as it sums it up. I'm not having a pop at the manager per se, I'm not saying I don't like foreign kids, I AM saying I would like us to produce more players.

I think we would have a greater chance of doing so if we looked much harder, and competed much harder, closer to home. I also think we run the risk of alienating any potential signings of UK based players with the proliferation both of overseas (particularly Spanish) staff, and overseas players.

Allied to that, if we continue with our policy of playing first team squad members woefully out of position rather than giving our kids an opportunity in a crisis, we will never procure the best talent in the future.

I am happy the manager is addressing the problem (and as I say at least he recognises there is one), but I'm not sure we are going about it the right way. It might be an idea I think to look backwards sometimes as well as forwards. In the past, we've produced many players as well as buying lots of kids on the cheap from Ireland and Scotland who have become top players. What did we do then that we don't do now might be a good place to start.

by **GYBS** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:18 pm

The game has moved on mick - the things that worked in the past ie buying irish/scottish players etc dont make you the best team in the land - its buying the best players no matter where they are from is what works now - the game has evolved - couple years ago the best scottish player came down to the prem and last 12 months before going back there . The top 4 clubs have gone out and bought the best players there is about to make them the best team around .

the reason it worked back then is because other teams didnt go abroad looking for top players - as soon as they did we saw how much better they were generally than their english counterpart (also how much cheaper as well)

The transfer market is now flooded with foriegn players and over priced englishmen .

by **bigmick** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:29 pm

The game has changed blah blah blah. If I had a pound for every time I'd heard that on here I'd have about 146 quid (which is quite a lot in Kiwi dollars).

Ronnie Whelan, Roy Keane, Alan Hansen and the like wouldn't get the chance now so therefore wouldn't make it. Those players are still there though, and they always will be while players kick footballs around in the backstreets. Keane was probably playing Gaelic football till he fourteen, not too much "technical skill there". Didn't stop him becoming a monsterous midfield player though, and Ronald Whelan wasn't any slouch either. Footballs only changed because people have changed it. Liverpool as a city will always produce footballers, they only become top class footballers though if top class football teams give them an opportunity.

by **JC_81** » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:32 pm

GYBS wrote:The game has moved on mick - the things that worked in the past ie buying irish/scottish players etc dont make you the best team in the land - its buying the best players no matter where they are from is what works now - the game has evolved - couple years ago the best scottish player came down to the prem and last 12 months before going back there . The top 4 clubs have gone out and bought the best players there is about to make them the best team around .

I think this is a decent point GYBS makes.

The Premiership has improved massively since the early nineties, let alone how much English football has improved since we dominated it in the 70's and 80's with local/Irish/Scottish players.

We now have four of the top 6 club sides in the world playing in the Premiership and the other two are Spanish. Italian football has faded badly and there is no longer a realistic challenger in terms of European football outside these countries.

Would the English national side win the Premiership?? Personally I don't think it would and it illustrates the fact that to win the Premiership you have to have some of the best players in the world, not just England.

Whether it's for the good of English football or not, kids aren't going to get a chance at a big club like days gone by, unless they're a Rooney, a Walcott, an Owen or a Gerrard. Sadly, a Carragher would probably end up getting moved on at a young age. That's just the way it is. We have to roll with the times and broaden our scouting network, trying to pick up the best players regardless of where they're from. It hasn't worked yet, but I think it will eventually. The 'scattergun' approach we're adopting will eventually unearth a wonderkid or two, I'm convinced of it.

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