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by **DrPepe** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:57 pm

"the Keane treatment" :laugh:

That always makes me laugh!

by **Sabre** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:34 pm

kazza wrote:
bigmick wrote:
kazza wrote::laugh:

Dear oh dear. Sensible post by your standards though, nice one.

OK, how fickle! You were whining all season that Raffa was this and Raffa was that and you alienated most on here with your doom and gloom, all the while sitting on your high horse ready to put anyone to sleep that disagreed with you with a painfully long post. Now you are starting to believe?? Feck me Mick it is called support and many have seen what you now see and your about turn could easily reverse as soon as Raffa does something you disagree with

You obviously take yourself very seriously that you would open a new thread for this "Hold on people I have a new opinion. I now like Raffa - discuss"

Earth to Mick "You are average at best" (so why would you think any different )

I don't think Bigmick has changed his position whatsoever nor he has changed his realistic views to our unrealistic ones.

I think he wrote that as a good will message, my interpretation was something like, "I always predict what he's going to do, but this time I make a new account, I'll forget old assumptions, won't slag him off so much (1) and I'll see what happens without any kind of prejudices".

My interpretation can be bóllocks, but I think it was a good will message, kind of, "we'll discuss without existing two sides".

(1) It's important he admits he did do so in the past

by **Rush Job** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:18 pm

bigmick wrote:Not because he's stopped the syling although it obviously helps. It's not even because we resorted to a brand of football in the second half of the season which was the most attractive I had seen Liverpool play for 20 years. Ultimately, it's not anything to do with football really, although Rafa is obviously a good manager.

No, the reason why I'm glad that Rafa is the manager is because broadly speaking I trust him. I do think he's more than capable of fecking things up, and I also think he's capable of signing the odd sh!t player. Ultimately though, I think he has the best interests of the club at heart. I think he is a decent man (certainly compared to the yanks, mind you so is Peter Sutcliffe).

The press are speculating whether he'll say "enough" and walk away, but I am 100% confident that no matter what happens he won't do that. In a situation which is dominated by vagabonds and thieves, he is reassuringly normal. I'm glad he's our manager.

Agreed mate. The reason I stuck by him the season before last when TBH his performances at times were shocking and even bazaar was in these uncertain times his devotion to the club and fans shines though as a beacon of hope, for me at least.

by **bigmick** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:45 pm

It's strange how some people think you've "changed your tune" or been "fickle" even though you carefully explain that you still have the same reservations which you always had (mind you some people are just strange, you get that). As I've already said, from a footballing point of view I can understand everyones reservations. My point quite simply was related to the continued shenanighans with the owners. It's vital that we have as many people as possible within the club who would go the extra yard. Rafa I think is one of those (I could be wrong of course) so I'm glad he's the manager.

Doesn't mean I agree with mass rotation, doesn't mean I agree with patting yourself on the back after a Home draw with Hull, doesn't mean I agree with taking Torres and Gerrard off when Wigan equalised, nor settling for a point at Arsenal when Fabregas was carried off and Adebayor sent off. It doesn't mean I think the treatment of Keane was anything less than ridiculous, the failure to replace him in the transfer window awful management. It doesn't mean I think Dossena is anything other than the worst big money defensive signing we have ever made (yes including Phil Babb) , or that last Summers transfer dealings were anything less than farcical. It doesn't mean I don't think we have just spunked an absolutely golden opportunity to win the title, an alignment of factors which was unbelieveably favourable. It doesn't mean I don't think we've wasted time and money on too many options and possibilities players, or that we threw away that World club Championship thing, or that leaving Peter Crouch on the bench in the Champions League final wasn't daft. It doesn't mean either that rotating him out of the form of his life wasn't stupid, nor that trying him out on the left wing in the Madness at the Madjeski wasn't criminal either. It doesn't mean I've forgotten about the baloney of Bramhall lane, the farce of Fratton Park, Torres not being able to "play between the lines" at Home to Birmingham, or Martin Skyrtel at right back in the final piece of madness which eventually cost us the title last season. It doesn't mean that I agree with recruiting various amigos from around the globe at under 18 level while leaving other teams to hoover up the local talent is sensible, nor of course does it mean that the ridiculous delayed gazelle theory is anything other than ridiculous. It was ridiculous, is ridiculous, and shall remain ridiculous till the ends of time.

No, the fact that I'm happy he's our manager doesn't change any of that. Not that fickle really

I'm happy he's our manager because by and large he's a decent bloke. In normal times that wouldn't be important, but at the moment it is.

By the same token, if we finished sixth next season and didn't get into the Champions League I'd normally be gutted. As it is, if it forced a change of ownership it would be a bit of a result provided our best players and manager didn't immediately feck off. There's absolutely no way Gerrard and Carra would feck off even if they relegated us, I don't think Torres would either. FWIW I don't think the manager would either, which is the point of the post.

by **Number 9** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 10:53 pm

bigmick wrote:It's strange how some people think you've "changed your tune" or been "fickle" even though you carefully explain that you still have the same reservations which you always had (mind you some people are just strange, you get that). As I've already said, from a footballing point of view I can understand everyones reservations. My point quite simply was related to the continued shenanighans with the owners. It's vital that we have as many people as possible within the club who would go the extra yard. Rafa I think is one of those (I could be wrong of course) so I'm glad he's the manager.

Doesn't mean I agree with mass rotation, doesn't mean I agree with patting yourself on the back after a Home draw with Hull, doesn't mean I agree with taking Torres and Gerrard off when Wigan equalised, nor settling for a point at Arsenal when Fabregas was carried off and Adebayor sent off. It doesn't mean I think the treatment of Keane was anything less than ridiculous, the failure to replace him in the transfer window awful management. It doesn't mean I think Dossena is anything other than the worst big money defensive signing we have ever made (yes including Phil Babb) , or that last Summers transfer dealings were anything less than farcical. It doesn't mean I don't think we have just spunked an absolutely golden opportunity to win the title, an alignment of factors which was unbelieveably favourable. It doesn't mean I don't think we've wasted time and money on too many options and possibilities players, or that we threw away that World club Championship thing, or that leaving Peter Crouch on the bench in the Champions League final wasn't daft. It doesn't mean either that rotating him out of the form of his life wasn't stupid, nor that trying him out on the left wing in the Madness at the Madjeski wasn't criminal either. It doesn't mean I've forgotten about the baloney of Bramhall lane, the farce of Fratton Park, Torres not being able to "play between the lines" at Home to Birmingham, or Martin Skyrtel at right back in the final piece of madness which eventually cost us the title last season. It doesn't mean that I agree with recruiting various amigos from around the globe at under 18 level while leaving other teams to hoover up the local talent is sensible, nor of course does it mean that the ridiculous delayed gazelle theory is anything other than ridiculous. It was ridiculous, is ridiculous, and shall remain ridiculous till the ends of time.

No, the fact that I'm happy he's our manager doesn't change any of that. Not that fickle really

I'm happy he's our manager because by and large he's a decent bloke. In normal times that wouldn't be important, but at the moment it is.

By the same token, if we finished sixth next season and didn't get into the Champions League I'd normally be gutted. As it is, if it forced a change of ownership it would be a bit of a result provided our best players and manager didn't immediately feck off. There's absolutely no way Gerrard and Carra would feck off even if they relegated us, I don't think Torres would either. FWIW I don't think the manager would either, which is the point of the post.

Well explained cause I was wonderinf WTF you were on about!!

Another few tins and i might have had a go meself!!

by **Rush Job** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:08 pm

bigmick wrote:It doesn't mean I think Dossena is anything other than the worst big money defensive signing we have ever made (yes including Phil Babb)

Hate to pull you up on a small and probably off the cuff opinion but Phil Babb has got to be the worst big money defencive player of all time nevermind just for us, and it was a league record signing.Its not that im sticking up for a player I was calling Drossena earlier in the season but at least he`s shown improvement, Phil Babb was sh!t at the start and even sh!ter at the end, it says it all when the highlight of your career from a fans point of view is when you done your knackers of the post against chelsea. :laugh:

Imight start a poll.

by **bigmick** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:13 pm

Fair enough Rushie, Babb was terrible alright but I think he was better than Dossena, showed more b@lls etc

Neither though were the worst defensive signings in history surely. Titus Bramble at Newcastle was awful, as was that boom French fella. Feck me in me prime I think I was better than him. Just as well Houllier didn't get him or there'd be no debate. Torban Piechnik was no great shakes although i don't think he cost that much, while Julian Dicks was hardly a rip roarer either to be fair. That Kvarma bloke was rubbish, and no doub there's lots of others. Just make suyre you include "others" in the pole and you'll be away

by **Number 9** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:14 pm

Rush Job wrote:
bigmick wrote:It doesn't mean I think Dossena is anything other than the worst big money defensive signing we have ever made (yes including Phil Babb)

Hate to pull you up on a small and probably off the cuff opinion but Phil Babb has got to be the worst big money defencive player of all time nevermind just for us, and it was a league record signing.Its not that im sticking up for a player I was calling Drossena earlier in the season but at least he`s shown improvement, Phil Babb was sh!t at the start and even sh!ter at the end, it says it all when the highlight of your career from a fans point of view is when you done your knackers of the post against chelsea.

Imight start a poll.

Phil Babb was a co'ck...He became a fashion model while playing football and was one of the biggest influences in the spice boys culture!!

I think that says it all,mind you so did freddie ljunberg,joe cole and david james!
Still I dont think footballers should do that,you are a fecking footballer not a model...gimps!!

Tevez for the next model job..he could model balaclavas or rings for Argos!!

by **Rush Job** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:32 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Rush Job wrote:
bigmick wrote:It doesn't mean I think Dossena is anything other than the worst big money defensive signing we have ever made (yes including Phil Babb)

Hate to pull you up on a small and probably off the cuff opinion but Phil Babb has got to be the worst big money defencive player of all time nevermind just for us, and it was a league record signing.Its not that im sticking up for a player I was calling Drossena earlier in the season but at least he`s shown improvement, Phil Babb was sh!t at the start and even sh!ter at the end, it says it all when the highlight of your career from a fans point of view is when you done your knackers of the post against chelsea.

Imight start a poll.

Phil Babb was a co'ck...He became a fashion model while playing football and was one of the biggest influences in the spice boys culture!!

I think that says it all,mind you so did freddie ljunberg,joe cole and david james!
Still I dont think footballers should do that,you are a fecking footballer not a model...gimps!!

Tevez for the next model job..he could model balaclavas or rings for Argos!!

by **redhayesy** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:38 pm

ConnO'var wrote:I disagree Mick.

I'm sure he's a nice bloke and all that.
But being a manager of a football club is not about being a nice bloke. It's about bringing the club forward, doing well performance wise, securing the future of the club through development of youngsters etc etc. All the time conducting oneself with dignity and not bringing the club into disrepute by dragging our going ons through the press.

Once upon a time I was very happy when we signed him..... but I have since lost faith in his methodsand more importantly in the man himself. In my opinion, he's improved us as far as he can..... and the time is ripe for a change. Unfortunately, as a club, we cannot afford it, in both time and finance

i couldn't dis -agree more! he has taken the club forward, & IMHO will continue to do so in the future. you say the time is ripe for a change,yes in owner not management! there is a difference mate.
like NR says for what he has had to put up with in recent times he deserves our upmost respect not critisism, as for bringing the club into disrepute- you really need to think before you post mate.

raffa has shown passion, belief,& totall commitment in his players,the club, the fans etc etc which is more than the yank tw@ts will ever do whilst they are at our club!!

remember mate when the two yank tw@ts tryed & failed to tout klinnsmen behind raffa's back for the job, raffa was & remained dignified,conducted himself with the right 'attitude'
& i for one will always admire him for that! it cannot of been easy for him in all aspects of his working relatonship with the players,& remain focused on everything that he wants to achieve with the football club.

let me ask you this? if he wasn't the right man for the job,would he have lost the dressing room,espect of everyone who works at the club- too right he would have, but raffa has the the knowledge,respect of the players that he has enabled us to move in the right direction,we have & i believe will improve even futher under raffa's guidence,that's why he demanded & got full control of transfer dealings in the future.

it's just an insult to the man that he has 2 yank tw@ts who have tried to prevent him in buying the players he really wants, rather than finances dictating otherwise.

i have said this before on previous topics,& will say it again -their is no other manager i'd rather have to lead LFC in the future than raffa. all the backroom politics, whatever you want to call it,has made raffa even more passionate towards our club.

if you were not at the sunderland game mate even when we won the game 3-0 the protest in the kop,also other parts of the ground was awsome. it said it all for me the singing was as intense,& as passionate as throughout the game it's self-just to remind you if you weren't there itwas this.

'they don't care about raffa,they don't care about the fans,
Liverpool Football Club is in the wrong hands'

as for the youngsters of the club, raffa is just as passionate about bringing on our youth development as he is the first team as he knows that he will have feck all money to spend on big name players, so has to & be kept informed of all potential youngsters within the club.

he has our alround best intrests at heart not only as a manager, but relates with the heartbeat of the club,us the fans.
may he continue, with the fantasic work of the backup staff ie sammy lee etc to lead the FC in the way he has done so far with pride,passion & belief. to take the club forward both with the senior squad & the development of the youngsters.

by **Rush Job** » Sat Jun 06, 2009 11:46 pm

redhayesy wrote:
ConnO'var wrote:I disagree Mick.

I'm sure he's a nice bloke and all that.
But being a manager of a football club is not about being a nice bloke. It's about bringing the club forward, doing well performance wise, securing the future of the club through development of youngsters etc etc. All the time conducting oneself with dignity and not bringing the club into disrepute by dragging our going ons through the press.

Once upon a time I was very happy when we signed him..... but I have since lost faith in his methodsand more importantly in the man himself. In my opinion, he's improved us as far as he can..... and the time is ripe for a change. Unfortunately, as a club, we cannot afford it, in both time and finance

i couldn't dis -agree more! he has taken the club forward, & IMHO will continue to do so in the future. you say the time is ripe for a change,yes in owner not management! there is a difference mate.
like NR says for what he has had to put up with in recent times he deserves our upmost respect not critisism, as for bringing the club into disrepute- you really need to think before you post mate.

raffa has shown passion, belief,& totall commitment in his players,the club, the fans etc etc which is more than the yank tw@ts will ever do whilst they are at our club!!

remember mate when the two yank tw@ts tryed & failed to tout klinnsmen behind raffa's back for the job, raffa was & remained dignified,conducted himself with the right 'attitude'
& i for one will always admire him for that! it cannot of been easy for him in all aspects of his working relatonship with the players,& remain focused on everything that he wants to achieve with the football club.

let me ask you this? if he wasn't the right man for the job,would he have lost the dressing room,espect of everyone who works at the club- too right he would have, but raffa has the the knowledge,respect of the players that he has enabled us to move in the right direction,we have & i believe will improve even futher under raffa's guidence,that's why he demanded & got full control of transfer dealings in the future.

it's just an insult to the man that he has 2 yank tw@ts who have tried to prevent him in buying the players he really wants, rather than finances dictating otherwise.

i have said this before on previous topics,& will say it again -their is no other manager i'd rather have to lead LFC in the future than raffa. all the backroom politics, whatever you want to call it,has made raffa even more passionate towards our club.

if you were not at the sunderland game mate even when we won the game 3-0 the protest in the kop,also other parts of the ground was awsome. it said it all for me the singing was as intense,& as passionate as throughout the game it's self-just to remind you if you weren't there itwas this.

'they don't care about raffa,they don't care about the fans,
Liverpool Football Club is in the wrong hands'

as for the youngsters of the club, raffa is just as passionate about bringing on our youth development as he is the first team as he knows that he will have feck all money to spend on big name players, so has to & be kept informed of all potential youngsters within the club.

he has our alround best intrests at heart not only as a manager, but relates with the heartbeat of the club,us the fans.
may he continue, with the fantasic work of the backup staff ie sammy lee etc to lead the FC in the way he has done so far with pride,passion & belief. to take the club forward both with the senior squad & the development of the youngsters.

Hard not to :buttrock

that....... so I did.

by **kazza** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:09 am

SupitsJonF wrote:Rafa has always been iffy, so I was always on the fence about him. Closer to the faith side, but once the rotation stopped I was off and picked the right side.

However, I don't see how selling the spine to buy other players can seem like a good idea, and if Alonso or Masch are sold for a flop, well it could be back to the fence.

Earth to Kazza- PMs exist. Everyone is tired at your aimed at mick.

I do not swear or insult but rather question so where is the problem. I laughed at micks about turn from all the cr@p he was spouting this season (go back to December and check) and he responded in his usual condescending manner. Because he is popular on here and I am not does not change anything other than peoples reactions, facts remain the same. You know nothing about me so feck off whether all the sheep agree with you or not. By the way I do pm but he does not respond except to the replies. Have issues with "Mr Popular" and that will always put you at odds with the majority, but I do not really care as my life is full :;):

Mick I saw your picture at your place of business, I can see why you have such a high opinion of yourself :laugh:

by **Number 9** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:16 am

kazza wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:Rafa has always been iffy, so I was always on the fence about him. Closer to the faith side, but once the rotation stopped I was off and picked the right side.

However, I don't see how selling the spine to buy other players can seem like a good idea, and if Alonso or Masch are sold for a flop, well it could be back to the fence.

Earth to Kazza- PMs exist. Everyone is tired at your aimed at mick.

I do not swear or insult but rather question so where is the problem. I laughed at micks about turn from all the cr@p he was spouting this season (go back to December and check) and he responded in his usual condescending manner. Because he is popular on here and I am not does not change anything other than peoples reactions, facts remain the same. You know nothing about me so feck off whether all the sheep agree with you or not. By the way I do pm but he does not respond except to the replies. Have issues with "Mr Popular" and that will always put you at odds with the majority, but I do not really care as my life is full

Mick I saw your picture at your place of business, I can see why you have such a high opinion of yourself

Listen here ya wee [email]w@nker..I[/email] have disagreed with Mick on many occasions but your obsession is clear for all to see!
Lad you only logged on and you are straight in here!
Yes he does go on a bit and yes he has changed his opinion(whether he admits it or not)
Bottom line is though the fella is straight up and says what he thinks.Whether you agree or not is not really the point.
I'll paint it clear..I know from what Mick posts how he feels..what he thinks about LFC..as for you,all anyone knows about you is that you have an unhealthy obsession with another man!
Who is the kunt?

by **Owzat** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:45 am

s@int wrote:Strange (or at least surprising) post Mick. I just can't see what he has done to make you suddenly trust him mate, I respect your views but I can't say I agree on this occasion. For me he has a lot to prove yet both on and off the pitch. Still it means I can now argue with someone again now, without being called a (hopefully )which may make things a little more interesting anyway.

Am I glad he's our manager? No more than I ever have been. He's there to do a job, fulfil a mission (win the league) and he hasn't yet. Who knows if someone else coming in would do a better or worse job than him, but are we really that happy to finish second and go a third season without a trophy as consolation - even if it is with record points? (not that I am bothered about the trophy so much, winning the league is THE goal/aim)

He's spent a lot of money, how many of the summer signings were fixtures in the XI, and assembled about 9-13 players that have managed to push the mancs to extraordinary feats (winning 21 of their last 25 games), but still doesn't look that capable of fixing things during a game that could have won us more games that we drew.

So my "faith" in Rafa at the moment is based on what he does next season, his signings and if we land the title. Another near miss might not be enough, six seasons will be the most a manager has had for us since the last one to walk who had actually won the holy grail - the previous season at that and left us top of the pile! Of course there are a few things we need to look for in his management next season

- Signings. Need to be better than last summer

- Draws. Need to draw a lot less games, especially at home

- Tactics. We turned a few games around, but I'm not sure that many were down to Rafa. Five 0-0s and four 1-1s isn't good enough, we even struggled against ten man Arsenal.

I'd certainly want to see the draws go, I think that may well hinge on the tactics. If we attack like we did the last 11 league games, P11 W10 D1 L0 F34 A7, then I can see us challenging. But we have to bear in mind next season we might not get those wins at old twatford and Stamford Bridge, we may have to improve our results against the rest and that focus needs to come from Rafa. No settling for draws, set out to beat teams we should beat and accept maybe the odd defeat in return for the 27 wins we need to be aiming at.

by **kazza** » Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:12 pm

Number 9 wrote:Listen here ya wee [email]w@nker..I[/email] have disagreed with Mick on many occasions but your obsession is clear for all to see!
Lad you only logged on and you are straight in here!
Yes he does go on a bit and yes he has changed his opinion(whether he admits it or not)
Bottom line is though the fella is straight up and says what he thinks.Whether you agree or not is not really the point.
I'll paint it clear..I know from what Mick posts how he feels..what he thinks about LFC..as for you,all anyone knows about you is that you have an unhealthy obsession with another man!
Who is the kunt?

Obsession, stalking etc what are you on about you idiot! This "obsession for all to see" cr@p is bullsh1t that someone said once and all now use as it is all they have. I replied with a smiley, he responded with a condescending post so I replied. It is quite simple really or should I draw you a picture, then again it is probably best to stick with the flock. You said I logged on and went straight there but my computer is always on and this site has its own window. It is not that hard to just click on the tab to see what's new, well not for me anyway.

As for the Kunt thing, you've got a lot of cards there buddy :;):

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