Dietmar hamman - Sad to post this

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Postby JC_81 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:07 pm

Sad to see this.  Surprised at some of the lack of empathy for him on here, even though he has got himself into this mess.

Just a thought, but I'm sure if he brought out an autobiography it'd sell pretty well, especially amongst Reds fans, could be a solution to his problems.  In fact his recent predicament might even boost sales as clearly there was a lot going with Hamann behind the scenes.  I hope he sorts his problems out anyway.  Still a legend whatever he has done off the field.
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Postby GYBS » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:35 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:GYBS whether you think a gamblers addiction is his own fault (i think s@aint explained it a few posts back pretty well tbh) how can you not have sympathy for one of our modern day legends if he is in a bad predicament.

Thats a little spiteful imo.

He's done nothing to hurt you.

What he has done is bring you great times with his contribution in the champions league final.

So you can keep your big moral stance and blame him all you want but to me i feel sympathy for him cos he have only good feeling towards him after the service he gave our club.

Spiteful ?? why ? because i dont give a mutli million pound footballer sympathy when he throws his money away ? i would rather save that sympathy for more deserving people in the world . Yes he was a great player for us and for his playing achievments will always have my respect but sorry none for this .

Just because he played for liverpool doesnt change my outlook im afraid .

Do you think he would feel sympathy for you if you got yourself in a gambling addiction ? no he wouldnt  give a monkeys
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Postby Ace Ventura » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:46 pm

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Ace Ventura wrote:GYBS whether you think a gamblers addiction is his own fault (i think s@aint explained it a few posts back pretty well tbh) how can you not have sympathy for one of our modern day legends if he is in a bad predicament.

Thats a little spiteful imo.

He's done nothing to hurt you.

What he has done is bring you great times with his contribution in the champions league final.

So you can keep your big moral stance and blame him all you want but to me i feel sympathy for him cos he have only good feeling towards him after the service he gave our club.

Spiteful ?? why ? because i dont give a mutli million pound footballer sympathy when he throws his money away ? i would rather save that sympathy for more deserving people in the world . Yes he was a great player for us and for his playing achievments will always have my respect but sorry none for this .

Just because he played for liverpool doesnt change my outlook im afraid .

Do you think he would feel sympathy for you if you got yourself in a gambling addiction ? no he wouldnt  give a monkeys

I would hazard a guess that no he wouldnt as he wouldnt know who the f'ck i am  ???

I'll leave it at that anyway.

Am done with all your bullsh!t with always trying to get the last word.

John Craig said the same thing the lack of empathy is astounding.
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Postby GYBS » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:51 pm

why do people start insulting other people just because they have an opinion that is different to the one they have ? im sorry i didnt realise i had to conform to what other people wanted as opposed to having an opinion of my own , will remember that for next time and will just fall in line behind the sheep . BAA BAA


Oh and as for the last words bulls.hit , did you really expect to not reply to a post that calls me spiteful , think not .
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Postby Number 9 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:58 pm

GYBS wrote:why do people start insulting other people just because they have an opinion that is different to the one they have ? im sorry i didnt realise i had to conform to what other people wanted as opposed to having an opinion of my own , will remember that for next time and will just fall in line behind the sheep . BAA BAA


Oh and as for the last words bulls.hit , did you really expect to not reply to a post that calls me spiteful , think not .

Cause your frustrating as fu'ck!Sometimes its easier just to call a man a co'ck and move on!

No hard feelings mind! :D
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Postby bigmick » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:18 pm

For people who aren't making an awful lot of progress with GYBS, welcome to my World :D

As for addictions to gambling I've been there. I emigrated darn sarf to London when I was 19 as things were a bit grim in my Home town. Three of us went down, all dolies to the streets paved with gold. We got a flat and got jobs, I started working in William Hills just out of Camden Town. I always loved a bet, used to live in the bookies at Home and obviously working in one gave me a whole new insight. I used to get paid 83 quid a week in my hand (wasn't too bad back then) and I fecking loved it. Only thing was, you used to get paid your money in a little pay packet, cash. More than a couple of times, I'd get me money and then do it in a neighbouring bookies in about 20 minutes. My whole weeks wages gone in the snap of a fingers. Was I addicted, fecking right I was, I was living for it.

Fortunately my mates would pitch in for the rent and stuff, and the following week I'd have to pay double and practically my whole wage packet was gone before I got my hands on any of it through paying back debts. I was like that for years, if I was playing cards, in a bookies, at the casino or anywhere else where you'd have a bet I could feel it taking me over like a little tidal wave. Just couldn't leave it alone, couldn't walk away regardless of how much I was down, or how much I was in front. Total mug punter as well, betting without thought or reason.

I think my "seeing of the light" moment came at Goodwood when I was about 22. I'd saved up to go down there with a couple of lads for a two day meeting. I spunked 550 quid (which was a fecking lot of money when I was 22) of which I actually had about 280. On the way back, somebody suggested Catford dogs (for a laugh) and I spunked another 190 quid there. At the end, I was having 20 quid straight forecasts to chase my money (I know it doesn't sound like a lot now, but I was probs earning about 150 quid a week at the time). It was a cold night, and I kind of made my way away from the group and watched all the betting tickets blowing around the terraces. I thought of my mum at home cleaning for a living, working her erse off part time for 50 quid a week and resolved to change.

Stage one, exactly the same as giving up smoking is accepting the fact that you are a weak c...  As such, you cannot control your urges in any way shape or form. Don't think you can just have the one cigarette, because you are too weak to not suddenly be hooked. Don't think you can have the occasional bet, because ditto. So I stopped. Anything which could remotely be construed as gambling, I opted out of. This included playing golf for a quid, playing snooker for money, pool, anything. No gambling meant no gambling, end of to quote some on here. It was fecking difficult but I did it.

Luckily for me, I was able to go back to it at a later date and be sensible. I still carry the little monkey on my back which occasionally wakes up, but fortunately I'm aware of his presence and I am able to walk away. I'm a bit smarter with my hard earned these days, bet a lot smaller and am happier for it.

Didi deserves the utmost sympathy though, as do all compulsive gamblers. It is an illness, an addiction and if you haven't experienced it, although it may be hard to understand, it's foolish in my view to be overly dismissive.
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Postby Ace Ventura » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:32 pm

bigmick wrote:Didi deserves the utmost sympathy though, as do all compulsive gamblers. It is an illness, an addiction and if you haven't experienced it, although it may be hard to understand, it's foolish in my view to be overly dismissive.

Sorry to only post part of your post mick.

It was a very good post and highlighted the dangers.

I can see sort of where GYBS is coming from.

Just cant see how you wouldnt feel sorry for Didi.

The way he (GYBS) has posted is that he begrudged him his wealth.
Thats fair enough they are stupidly over paid we all agree with that.

But he is a player that we all loved when he was here and if he is genuinely having a difficult time then thats not nice.

No matter whether its all his own stupid fault or not.
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Postby Sabre » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:35 pm

Thanks for sharing that.

In my country bets are a new thing. The dictator we used to have didn't like bets (except the ones of the government), and familiar concepts like "bookies" where unexistant in our streets.

Now, with internet gambling, the doors have opened and we have from 2 years ago or so places to bet in the street. It's becoming extremely popular for young and elder, and I wonder how many of them will be hooked. More than one or two for sure, as there are temptations that are universal and hook a Spaniard and an English man just the same.
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Postby GYBS » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:37 pm

i wouldnt feel sorry for him cause there is more people worthy out there deserving of that sympathy than over paid footballers who get themselves into trouble through their own actions. Yes it may  well be an illness but its an illness that can be avoided .
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Postby Ace Ventura » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:41 pm

I have worked in a casino myself a few years back and have witnessed first hand comulsive gambling and gamblers.

And i have to say hand on heart it was gutting for me as a croupier to see someone spunk all there money and walk off looking lost and with almost tears in their eyes.

Loved that job but that side was hard.

Best part was when i trebled 0 and some scotch fella who didnt usually bet big had had a good night and built up a nice wedge, he had the maximun on the no all three times and had covered the splits and 6 lines.
Gave him about 11 grand in about 5 minutes.
Our pit boss was flipping out but i was made up for him  :D
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Postby Number 9 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:41 pm

GYBS wrote:i wouldnt feel sorry for him cause there is more people worthy out there deserving of that sympathy than over paid footballers who get themselves into trouble through their own actions. Yes it may  well be an illness but its an illness that can be avoided .

Well we all live for the day that the everyone in the world are "in control of their own destiny"!!

Until then thank fu'ck there are people there that care and help the likes of Didi!
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Postby Ace Ventura » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:44 pm

GYBS wrote:i wouldnt feel sorry for him cause there is more people worthy out there deserving of that sympathy than over paid footballers who get themselves into trouble through their own actions. Yes it may  well be an illness but its an illness that can be avoided .

Ok we get it, there are starvin kids and homeless people and there was a plane that went down the other day etc etc etc.

Maybe they all deserve far more thoughts and sympathy and multimillionaire Didi.

But so what - we all still love him and wish him all the best.

I just wouldnt take a tip of him  :D
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Postby GYBS » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:45 pm

but there is plenty of things you are in control off thou isnt there .

Personal choices in life and people have to bear the consequences of those actions .
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Postby GYBS » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:46 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:
GYBS wrote:i wouldnt feel sorry for him cause there is more people worthy out there deserving of that sympathy than over paid footballers who get themselves into trouble through their own actions. Yes it may  well be an illness but its an illness that can be avoided .

Ok we get it, there are starvin kids and homeless people and there was a plane that went down the other day etc etc etc.

Maybe they all deserve far more thoughts and sympathy and multimillionaire Didi.

But so what - we all still love him and wish him all the best.

I just wouldnt take a tip of him  :D

And if he never played football for liverpool ? would he get the same sympathy from you ?
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Postby Number 9 » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:46 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:
GYBS wrote:i wouldnt feel sorry for him cause there is more people worthy out there deserving of that sympathy than over paid footballers who get themselves into trouble through their own actions. Yes it may  well be an illness but its an illness that can be avoided .

Ok we get it, there are starvin kids and homeless people and there was a plane that went down the other day etc etc etc.

Maybe they all deserve far more thoughts and sympathy and multimillionaire Didi.

But so what - we all still love him and wish him all the best.

I just wouldnt take a tip of him  :D

He was probably on here reading Dawsons tips!!

Fuc'kin donkeys all the ones he says are gonna win!! :laugh:
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