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by **Sabre** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:22 pm

GYBS wrote:how did he get addicted in the first place ? He placed the bets himself no one forced him to it was his own choice to bet the money and start in the first place . Its not an illness you cant help . He knew the risks and still took it . Why should will feel sorry for sorry who earnt millions each and threw it away thru his own choices no one elses

You could say the same of every addiction.

You have no reasons to start drinking too much, nor to smoke too much, nor to gamble too much.

But people around the world, with different cultures, do it, because human kind is the same and have the same weaknesses.

It's always hard to understand why someone would have an attitude that is self destructive. But it happens, and if it happens to a people that's close to you, it's normal you feel sorry and try to help.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:32 pm

hence why i dont feel sorry for people who are drug addicts or alcoholics as well . They made the choice .

by **Rush Job** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:02 am

Owzat wrote:
Sabre wrote:Compulsive gambling makes a lot of people wasting money, even wasting money they don't have.

I think the government should take a lot of blame with their policies towards the three issues below

SMOKING/DRINKING - you see adverts about quitting, the health risks involved in smoking and drinking and so on. But the government won't ban it because of the tax on it, they are happy to compromise their ethics over ££££

GAMBLING - it is as adictive as smoking or drinking, but the government doesn't seem to worry people can rack up big debts - and it doesn't take long to rack them up. It's knowing when to stop, and when you've lost say £500 you want to win it back and then you want to win back your £2.5k and then your £50k and then finally you are £700k in debt.

PREMIUM PHONE LINES - these should be banned, they provide no worthwhile service and are just a rip off. You see the standard "texts cost £1m plus your standard provider tariff" on various adds, I caught a bit of "Wordplay" yesterday and the answer was so obviously "Fiddler on the roof", but they keep the lines open to get lots of people to ring in and be robbed of their money. There have been so many "scandals" with competitions recently, and they are not much better than gambling in all honesty, maybe more difficult to rack up big debts, but still a form of gambling, that I'm surprised they don't have a severe clampdown on it. And they must rake in millions when cr ap like "big bruvva" comes on, I seem to recall hearing or reading a few years ago, that they pull in something like £200k a week from voting.

All the above are a mug's game, you could say people are free to choose to do what they like, but the only winners in the above three are the people taking your money and most can affect your wellbeing/health. I don't advocate a clampdown on people's choices, as much choice as we have, but you have to question the motivation of the government in keeping some legal and not clamping down on all of them. Clearly people aren't bright enough to avoid most/all of the above, but the government isn't too bothered if people drink themselves or smoke themselves to death, or gamble themselves into poverty, as long as they get their taxes.

Couldnt have put it better myself. :nod

by **Rush Job** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:12 am

GYBS wrote:hence why i dont feel sorry for people who are drug addicts or alcoholics as well . They made the choice .

I wonder if he`d get the same sympathy if he`d blown it on heroin or coke?

Im not saying he shouldnt like im just wondering about the reasoning of some.

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 2:02 am

GYBS wrote:how did he get addicted in the first place ? He placed the bets himself no one forced him to it was his own choice to bet the money and start in the first place . Its not an illness you cant help . He knew the risks and still took it . Why should will feel sorry for sorry who earnt millions each and threw it away thru his own choices no one elses

Do you speak English as well?

Additctions are strange, I would imagine all of us have had a drink, had a gamble, had a smoke, though some people have addictive personalities and can not stop. This is the problem and to slate the guy because he has this personality (remember he is a smoker also) is wrong. In some people it is a genuine illness, your comments would be like me saying you are a kunt and your depression is all down to your stupidity. whereas you would say it is an illness that can not be helped.

sorry to harp on about your depression and this is not a usual dig, this is in response to your posts and an attempt to try and put it in perspective for you, an illness is an illness.

by **kazza** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 6:45 am

I never really understood the cumpulsion to gamble, maybe because I know that bookies and casinos almost always win. You gamble ten times and win once but remember it as if it was the rule. I prefer gambling amongst each other in a winner take all scenario because you know one of you will win. In a month I am entering such an event, 3000 dollars entry with 200 or so participants. Only one of us will be happy, and hopefully that is me.

Sad about Hamann as he was a great player for us and a true professional, hope he gets it sorted.

by **Number 9** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:47 am

GYBS wrote:hence why i dont feel sorry for people who are drug addicts or alcoholics as well . They made the choice .

Well you got one thing right,they made the choice..and there is help available!!

Bet YOU wish the same could be said for being born a co'ckhead!! :rasp

by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:05 am

Very Funny Number 9 .Unfortunatly that help costs other people millions on pounds in tax payers money which is another gripe of mine .

And peewee do you think people choose to get depressed ? Do you think they wake up one day and say to themselves "Oh i think i will try depression today as opposed to snorting cocaine or having a bet or getting hammered on a daily basis " . You cant compare them .

Being an Alcoholic or a Drug Addict or Gambling your life away is things that can easily be avoided - Ie dont do them in the first place - not an illness in my mind.

by **RobinHood6969** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:35 am

GYBS wrote: Very Funny Number 9 .Unfortunatly that help costs other people millions on pounds in tax payers money which is another gripe of mine .

And peewee do you think people choose to get depressed ? Do you think they wake up one day and say to themselves "Oh i think i will try depression today as opposed to snorting cocaine or having a bet or getting hammered on a daily basis " . You cant compare them .

Being an Alcoholic or a Drug Addict or Gambling your life away is things that can easily be avoided - Ie dont do them in the first place - not an illness in my mind.

I think depression can also be easily avoided.. By goin for a smoke or takin a chill pill with some hot chics and many more

by **Sabre** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:43 am

And peewee do you think people choose to get depressed ? Do you think they wake up one day and say to themselves "Oh i think i will try depression today as opposed to snorting cocaine or having a bet or getting hammered on a daily basis " . You cant compare them

Some may argue that a man that falls in depression had the choice to approach his life problems in another way before developing a depression. He could have chosen to reduce his stress, he could have chosen to win less money and have more spare time, but anyway he continued in a certain life style and at some point illness came.

Many make the mistake of putting extra pressure over themselves, but only a few develop a depression

Many make the mistake of taking drugs for the first time, but only a few of them become addicts.

It would be unfair to me to tell a depressive guy , "you had a choice to approach your problems another way, get a grip you weak moaning c**t".

I find unfair to not feel sorry to an addict because he has another sort of mind weakness

P.S. As for the question of Rush Job, I don't know others, but I'd feel exactly the same sorry feeling if he was addict to Heroine. It's the same kind of weakness, but to another thing.

by **DrPepe** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:49 am

Sabre wrote:
And peewee do you think people choose to get depressed ? Do you think they wake up one day and say to themselves "Oh i think i will try depression today as opposed to snorting cocaine or having a bet or getting hammered on a daily basis " . You cant compare them

Some may argue that a man that falls in depression had the choice to approach his life problems in another way before developing a depression. He could have chosen to reduce his stress, he could have chosen to win less money and have more spare time, but anyway he continued in a certain life style and at some point illness came.

Many make the mistake of putting extra pressure over themselves, but only a few develop a depression

Many make the mistake of taking drugs for the first time, but only a few of them become addicts.

It would be unfair to me to tell a depressive guy , "you had a choice to approach your problems another way, get a grip you weak moaning c**t".

I find unfair to not feel sorry to an addict because he has another sort of mind weakness

some of the main factors in depression:

# A history of depression in the family: It is believed that depression is passed genetically from generation to generation, although the exact way this occurs is not known.
# Grief from the death or loss of a loved one
# Personal disputes, like conflict with a family member.
# Physical, sexual, or emotional abuse.
# Major events that occur in everyone's lives, such as moving, graduating, changing jobs, getting married or divorced, retiring, etc.
# Serious illness: depressed feelings are a common reaction to many medical illnesses.
# Certain medications
# Substance abuse: close to 30% of people with substance abuse problems also have major depression.
# Other personal problems: these may come in the forms of social isolation due to other mental illnesses, or being cast out of a family or social circle.

The first one is likely the most common influence on whether an individual wil become clinically depressed

can't see earning millions of pounds in a career that most of us would kill to do for free on that list ....

by **Sabre** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 9:10 am

So what you have done there is to correct me --a perfect ignorant about depression--, with the opinions of experts.

Fair enough, as I said, it would be unfair to approach depression the way I did, it's simplistic and wrong.

And that's exactly my point. Approaching addictions with simplistic, unfair and wrong approaches is equally wrong.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 11:22 am

The point i was making Sabre is no one makes anyone have a bet , or start taking drugs or start drinking when the whole world knows the risks and it can become a serious addiction so the choices are their own to make and they make them and must live with the consequences of their actions . My mate started taking drugs cause he said it was a laugh - i warned him about the risks but he said he wasnt worried - two years down the line he is an addict with no money and a mess . All through his own actions .

by **RobinHood6969** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:29 pm

GYBS wrote:The point i was making Sabre is no one makes anyone have a bet , or start taking drugs or start drinking when the whole world knows the risks and it can become a serious addiction so the choices are their own to make and they make them and must live with the consequences of their actions . My mate started taking drugs cause he said it was a laugh - i warned him about the risks but he said he wasnt worried - two years down the line he is an addict with no money and a mess . All through his own actions .

Hmm.. on a serious note it is due to ones own actions.. but then there are many of my mates who do weed and drug n drink but they do it when we all meet up and are not obsessed with it.. There are some people who are weak enough not be able to control the addiction part of it.. so you may not fully blame the individual but you may also as all of us are grown ups and know what to do n what not to

by **GYBS** » Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:32 pm

Obviously if you dont become addicted to it or can control it so your life to spin out of control then they are the lucky ones .The risks are out their for the whole world to know .

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