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by **Ace Ventura** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:39 am

GYBS wrote:Dont be surprised Ace if he does pick up those wages - If not in the prem then somewhere around the world . Man City paid 18 mil for someone they could of got for 3 million if they waited 6 months . 100 grand a week will be peanuts for them and in the eyes of thier owners he will be a big star name.

Ok Mick will change the wording from Pay cut to a drop in wages in a new job - Owen wont half those wages in a new job .

I would be surprised.

I dont think we will be signing him anyway, i just think he is worth a look.

I think like mick said he will end up the other side of the park on similar wages to what i said - about 50k half his current salary.

Just a feeling.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:43 am

If he does then it will be a massive signing on fee or massive bonus .

by **Ace Ventura** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:50 am

GYBS wrote:If he does then it will be a massive signing on fee or massive bonus .

Again, assumptions

by **GYBS** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:51 am

With Base considering Owens previous form - so its pretty solid assumptions mate . Leopard doesnt change his spots.

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:20 pm

I'm with the people suggesting there's no harm in making an inquiry. As long as we have a firm grasp of what we're prepared to offer him and know that we're in the driver's seat in terms of any negotiations, what's the harm? If he's prepared to take a paycut and come sit on our bench then we'll have signed a quality back-up for relatively little outlay. If he'd prefer to go somewhere else where they'll pay him more money, give him more assurances of playing time or both than fine--we'll have lost nothing at the end of the day. It really is that simple and I struggle to see how worrying about what he might ask for in wages or signing on fees enters into it. If he asks for the moon we'll simply thank him for his time and wish him luck as he searches for his next club. :cool:

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:30 pm

Bad Bob wrote:I'm with the people suggesting there's no harm in making an inquiry. As long as we have a firm grasp of what we're prepared to offer him and know that we're in the driver's seat in terms of any negotiations, what's the harm? If he's prepared to take a paycut and come sit on our bench then we'll have signed a quality back-up for relatively little outlay. If he'd prefer to go somewhere else where they'll pay him more money, give him more assurances of playing time or both than fine--we'll have lost nothing at the end of the day. It really is that simple and I struggle to see how worrying about what he might ask for in wages or signing on fees enters into it. If he asks for the moon we'll simply thank him for his time and wish him luck as he searches for his next club.

Totally agree..

Owen on our bench would be brilliant.

Less playing time, would hopefully mean less injuries
Better players around him (than anytime in his career) would mean more chances
More chances means more goals

He is a top top player, who has always scored goals, and lets face it he owes us... I'd love him back but I agree with a lot of people on here, it has to be a sensible offer

by **GYBS** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:33 pm

Should Rafa even entertain a player who has twice turned him down when he had the chance ? Do you think Rafa would even think of him now after whats happened in the past ?

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:34 pm

Rafa probably wont.. doesnt mean he shouldnt

by **GYBS** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:41 pm

Think would rather look around the world before even looking towards the direction of Owen .

by **Bad Bob** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:43 pm

GYBS wrote:Should Rafa even entertain a player who has twice turned him down when he had the chance ? Do you think Rafa would even think of him now after whats happened in the past ?

I think Rafa should consider any player that will help the club but it's up to him whether Owen's definitely burned his bridges or not. Personally, I don't blame him too much for going to Madrid. Owen was already most of the way out the door before he met with Rafa and, if Carra's bio is anything to go on, Rafa may not have turned on the charm in order to convince him to stay. In any case, he wanted to test his mettle in Spain and, as Sabre will remind us, did well there when actually played. Unfortunately for him, he got embroiled in the political circus over there (Xabi be ware!) and wasn't getting the games he needed and so coming back to England made sense. It was the return to England that left a bit of a sour taste in the mouth, IMO. He should have re-signed with us at that time but obviously wasn't prepared to force Madrid's hand when Newcastle came in with the bigger offer. Would he have been better off saying 'it's Liverpool or nothing' and threatening to stay on their books until the January transfer window rolled around? Probably. Does that mean we should consider him an utter Judas and never consider him again. Not for me, no. I'd prefer to see his time at Newcastle as a valuable life lesson for little Mickey--one that will make him more understanding of how few opportunities he has left to play top football at a big club. If he's learned his lesson, he'll listen very seriously to any offer Rafa might be prepared to make. Whether Rafa will extend an offer is perhaps doubtful but I personally wouldn't object if he did.

by **GYBS** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:50 pm

What happened with Owen going to Madrid then going to Newcastle and turning Rafa down twice will always leave a bitter taste in most Liverpool fans mouths but thats not the reason i wouldnt take him or want him . The last three years watching him at Newcastle is my reasoning . His body language , his seemingly attitude there , the fact he always seemto make himself fit for england and then become injured for his club . He started well for Newcastle and scored a few goals then did his metawhatevertheyarecalled and wa sout for the season but managed to be ready for the world cup where he seriously damaged his knee - since then Owen has never been the same player and dont think ever will . We already knew he used to go on scoring runs when he got into the groove but it took him a while to get into groove and that time is getting longer . I think he is 30 ? 31 now - many newcastle fans will tell you how they feel about owen . He still flys to chesire most days to check on his horses - thats his first love now not football - all motivation for the game has gone from him and you can see it in whenever you see him . He isnt hungry for football or success anymore and he isnt like fowler who would play his heart out for the club .

by **Owzat** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:07 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
GYBS wrote:Should Rafa even entertain a player who has twice turned him down when he had the chance ? Do you think Rafa would even think of him now after whats happened in the past ?

I think Rafa should consider any player that will help the club but it's up to him whether Owen's definitely burned his bridges or not. Personally, I don't blame him too much for going to Madrid. Owen was already most of the way out the door before he met with Rafa and, if Carra's bio is anything to go on, Rafa may not have turned on the charm in order to convince him to stay. In any case, he wanted to test his mettle in Spain and, as Sabre will remind us, did well there when actually played. Unfortunately for him, he got embroiled in the political circus over there (Xabi be ware!) and wasn't getting the games he needed and so coming back to England made sense. It was the return to England that left a bit of a sour taste in the mouth, IMO. He should have re-signed with us at that time but obviously wasn't prepared to force Madrid's hand when Newcastle came in with the bigger offer. Would he have been better off saying 'it's Liverpool or nothing' and threatening to stay on their books until the January transfer window rolled around? Probably. Does that mean we should consider him an utter Judas and never consider him again. Not for me, no. I'd prefer to see his time at Newcastle as a valuable life lesson for little Mickey--one that will make him more understanding of how few opportunities he has left to play top football at a big club. If he's learned his lesson, he'll listen very seriously to any offer Rafa might be prepared to make. Whether Rafa will extend an offer is perhaps doubtful but I personally wouldn't object if he did.

I think the board deserves a bit of blame for the Owen situation, for giving Houllier 1-1.5 seasons longer than he deserved and thus having a new manager come in when Owen was entering the last year of his contract and with little indication Owen would win better trophies than he had previously.

But I think the past should be left firmly in the past, Owen made his own decision, no different than had we sold him earlier for a big fee. He may have pre-empted the usual exodus that comes with a new manager, now only Carra and Gerrard are at Anfield that were there when Rafa arrived. A new manager with his own ideas and players in mind might not have appealed to Owen, he went to Madrid and his career has hardly hit new heights since.

He's now in a situation that Liverpool, or maybe Arsenal, is his best chance of playing for a top Premiership club with a shot at the league title. I think Arsenal wouldn't pay the same kind of wages we would, so that might rule them out. He could play mercenary and go to Citeh with no guarantees of success or even being 1st choice, I think Anfield could be his best destination and if it doesn't work out then it wouldn't have cost us too much.

I would not rule it out, certainly not on the basis of "injuries" or on the manner he left Anfield for which we are unlikely to ever know the precise details or stances of manager and player. For all we know Owen might have walked into the manager's office, said if you don't offer me £150k a week on a four year contract I'm off and Rafa just said "bye then". Gerrard reportedly nearly fecked off to Chelsea, how close he was we may never actually know. Has that period of his time here affected his status in the eyes of fans? no

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