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by **Owzat** » Wed May 27, 2009 11:45 am

Bear in mind a lot of those relegated either weren't good enough or had the wrong attitude. I can't believe Newcastle and Boro suddenly found themselves with that many players who weren't good enough so you have to question a number of player's attitudes.

I might consider Tuncay, Owen, Downing, Taylor and Wheater, but only if the price is right - which in most cases would be up to £5m except Downing where I might consider going up to £7m. But I'm not sure Downing is needed, we have Riera and should be looking to buy a quality player to play LWF (Tevez or whoever) Owen is still quality, I think SJP was a bad move for him as they have an oddly large number of injury problems there. Tuncay perhaps isn't consistent enough, I'm not sure Wheater would be better than a fourth choice CB and I'd want someone better (although he is only 22)

Taylor might be a good option, decent player but I suspect he and a lot of the others at those two clubs will be too expensive - even though reportedly Newcastle have too many players on big money with no relegation clause to reduce those wages. Newcastle won one of their last eight games, do we really want their players who were not that great on the day when a draw against a fairly ordinary villa would have saved them? Our defeat at Boro was appalling, one of only seven wins they managed all season and they scored two against us despite being lowest scorers by EIGHT goals.

Is it worth looking at WBA? Brunt might be worth a punt, but they were essentially a Championship outfit that was pretty much doomed from day one. That they finished within two points of Boro and Newcastle says more about the NE sides than WBA.

Hull's 35 points to survive is the second lowest to finish 17th in the Premiership with only WBA's 34 in 04/05 lower. Sunderland's 36 points to finish 16th is the lowest by one point from Bolton last season. Someone suggested on teletext that they should relegate five teams, I think they're right.

by **Festy** » Wed May 27, 2009 11:48 am

GYBS wrote:why is it when he has been poor in the prem the whole season confirming he isnt good enough for the prem so not prem quality

Because anyone can be poor in first premiership season. Similarly, having a poor second or third season after a good first season, doesn't make a player 'not premiership quality'. It's a basic stuff kid.

by **GYBS** » Wed May 27, 2009 11:55 am

Basic Stuff - Collocini does not have the basic defending skills to do well in the prem - he has shown that all season and no more so on sunday - the guy is shocking all around .

by **Dissident** » Wed May 27, 2009 12:04 pm

People said this about Drogba though didn't they? He was much better in his second season though. His is a case in point really because if you look at him this season he was pretty poor under Scolari, but imrpoved a lot under Hiddink.

What I mean is circumstances and environment can play an important part in a player's performance, especially in his first season. Collocini was in his first season and un - accustomed to the Premiership. He had also joined a club that has been in turmoil for most of the season.

If you base a player's suitability for the premisership on his first season by that logic you're saying Drogba isn't good enough to play in the Prem.

by **Festy** » Wed May 27, 2009 12:07 pm

GYBS wrote:Basic Stuff - Collocini does not have the basic defending skills to do well in the prem - he has shown that all season and no more so on sunday - the guy is shocking all around .

and if you still haven't understood Dissident's post above then stop arguing about this point as you don't have the ability to support your statements with a proper reasoning. :angry

by **bunglemark2** » Wed May 27, 2009 12:09 pm

Dissident wrote:People said this about Drogba though didn't they? He was much better in his second season though. His is a case in point really because if you look at him this season he was pretty poor under Scolari, but imrpoved a lot under Hiddink.

What I mean is circumstances and environment can play an important part in a player's performance, especially in his first season. Collocini was in his first season and un - accustomed to the Premiership. He had also joined a club that has been in turmoil for most of the season.

If you base a player's suitability for the premisership on his first season by that logic you're saying Drogba isn't good enough to play in the Prem.

Mate, I think you need a more scientific reason why Coloccini is not suited to the Premiership.

Quite simple, really : ANY player with a 70's mullet like he has should not be allowed through immigration.

Ditto for Fellacio at the Bitters....

by **GYBS** » Wed May 27, 2009 12:13 pm

Dissident wrote:People said this about Drogba though didn't they? He was much better in his second season though. His is a case in point really because if you look at him this season he was pretty poor under Scolari, but imrpoved a lot under Hiddink.

What I mean is circumstances and environment can play an important part in a player's performance, especially in his first season. Collocini was in his first season and un - accustomed to the Premiership. He had also joined a club that has been in turmoil for most of the season.

If you base a player's suitability for the premisership on his first season by that logic you're saying Drogba isn't good enough to play in the Prem.

Drogba was nowhere near as poor as what collocini has been this season . Collocini cant do the basic thing he needs to do - defend - simple as that . Ask any newcastle fan and he will say the same thing - 10 million pound for a cb who cant defend . He will go back to spain on the cheap to a league where his defending is not as exposed as it was here . Even when he was at Deportivo he was awful defending as well constantly making mistakes

by **stmichael** » Wed May 27, 2009 12:20 pm

Martins, he'd be fantastic off the bench.

by **tubby** » Wed May 27, 2009 12:21 pm

Yeah he woud be good here but ever since he moved to Newcastle he has gotten so injury prone.

by **Gerrard30391** » Wed May 27, 2009 12:53 pm

Festy, i don't think you can honestly say that Coloccini has cut it in the premier league. Going by your theory, Babel is the best player in the league, he just hasn't showed it yet

If you reckon he's worth a backup place, well, then god help us if you ever have anything to do with the club, we'll be following Newcastle!

I am warming to the idea of Martins btw.

by **Festy** » Wed May 27, 2009 1:02 pm

Gerrard30391 wrote:Festy, i don't think you can honestly say that Coloccini has cut it in the premier league. Going by your theory, Babel is the best player in the league, he just hasn't showed it yet

If you reckon he's worth a backup place, well, then god help us if you ever have anything to do with the club, we'll be following Newcastle!

I am warming to the idea of Martins btw.

He hasn't cut it in the premiership for sure and has performed poorly all season. But he ain't a bad player and I don't want to declare him as a player who WON'T be able to perform well in the premiership in the future.

by **GYBS** » Wed May 27, 2009 1:03 pm

Well we will never see as he more than likely will never play in the prem again and NEVER EVER for us

by **Festy** » Wed May 27, 2009 1:05 pm

GYBS wrote:Well we will never see as he more than likely will never play in the prem again and NEVER EVER for us

Do you know no premier league club will buy him ? Can you predict the future ?

by **GYBS** » Wed May 27, 2009 1:08 pm

I can be safe assured in that theory - if someone did then you would have to ask about their sanity and wonder if they have ever seen him play - did you watch him on sunday ? whats the first rule of beiing a cb ? being able to defend - could he do that on sunday ? not in a million years .

by **Reg** » Wed May 27, 2009 1:37 pm

These lads are suitable for Burnley, Wigan, Everton etc.. but we´re trying to win the league FFS, why would be want to take anyone less than a lad capable of being a first team regular? This is the exact mistake we have made in the past - buying luke warm cr@p.

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