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by **dawson99** » Sun May 24, 2009 9:00 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:Priests are pervy kunts and always have been,the Catholic Church is a joke!
Biggest paedo ring in the world and they got away with it for years hiding behind the cloak of religion!!
Hundreds of people reported abuse to higher clergy to be told it was being dealt with.They failed to bring it to light because they had more loyalty to "god and the cloth" than humanity or decency!
People did not go to police because caught up in their religious beliefs they felt it was betraying God and were told the church would look after it!

Sick bast'ards all that done it and the ones that covered up or turned a blind eye..Disgrace of a religion..absolute joke!

I wouldnt take a dump in a chapel!!

Explain why it's "a disgrace of a religion" please.

Cause they covered up men abusing innocent children in the most vile and sickening ways for decades!Purely to protect the image of the church and religion.They new what was going on,kids suffered in silence and the people who were meant to protect our most vulnerable and in need of care,turned a blind eye!
Maybe you think thats acceptable and part of religion,i sure as fuc'k dont!
Have you not read our local papers or watched UTV live this week mate??

Yes, I've watched the news (very rarely do I ever) but not once did I even say it's acceptable. But where in any religion does it say that this sort of thing is acceptable? I challenge you to find that written in any book. The point I was making is why did you say the religion is a disgrace, when it's got nothing to do with the religion itself?

The thing is, it's been no real secret. Catholic run establishments, especially in the south, have had some notorious and particularly harrowing tales about them, of which none of them I doubt would be true. Abuse is one thing, but I have stories of nuns getting rid of the unwanted babies that have resulted from the abuse. Details which I just don't want to write beause they are just too disgusting to even think about. It's just a shame that these scum decide to use the cloth as a guise to carry out these things. It's an easy cover. What is really inexcusable, however, is the fact that certain factions in the Church would have known about these things, and swept it under the carpet. They are as culpapble as any. But if they really do believe in their faith, then maybe there is a nasty fate waiting for them on the other side. I can only hope so.

Fair enough lad,some good points but to me the priests and clergy that convey a religion to people are in a way the religion(at very least a huge part of it).Its those that bring it to people and those that people look to for help and guidance in hard times!People see them as a physical link to god and sadly look up to and respect them..For what a fu,cking dog collar??

I stand by what I said its a disgrace of a religion.How can it be anything else?Look at what happened.Kids were getting brutally raped,beaten and pshycologically tortured for years.It was known about and covered up.The catholic church which lets face it is in itself the reigion let it happen.Wh? To save its own face.Its an absolute disgrace and cannot be defended,the religion and all that carry it are a joke..hypocrites!
People say it was only a handful of priests..Yeah right!

Tell me this..If you had a kid and needed a babysitter and your parish priest offered to babysit some night would you let him??
I would'nt let one of them mind my dog lad!
Dirty auld kunts!

As for where in the religion say that what happened is acceptable..Absolutely nowhere!But it obviously is acceptable cause its been happening for years and years and feck all done about it!
The church should hang its head in shame!

So people who are of the Catholic faith are a disgrace and a joke? I'd be careful about how you put those words into context. This is like saying that people of Muslim faith are a disgrace and a joke because a minority of them blow themselves - along with other people - up in the name of their faith. However, those dirty peadophile b"stards are not acting in the name of their faith, rather to satisfy their own disgusting lust. There is a difference.

perfectly put

by **Number 9** » Sun May 24, 2009 9:05 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:Priests are pervy kunts and always have been,the Catholic Church is a joke!
Biggest paedo ring in the world and they got away with it for years hiding behind the cloak of religion!!
Hundreds of people reported abuse to higher clergy to be told it was being dealt with.They failed to bring it to light because they had more loyalty to "god and the cloth" than humanity or decency!
People did not go to police because caught up in their religious beliefs they felt it was betraying God and were told the church would look after it!

Sick bast'ards all that done it and the ones that covered up or turned a blind eye..Disgrace of a religion..absolute joke!

I wouldnt take a dump in a chapel!!

Explain why it's "a disgrace of a religion" please.

Cause they covered up men abusing innocent children in the most vile and sickening ways for decades!Purely to protect the image of the church and religion.They new what was going on,kids suffered in silence and the people who were meant to protect our most vulnerable and in need of care,turned a blind eye!
Maybe you think thats acceptable and part of religion,i sure as fuc'k dont!
Have you not read our local papers or watched UTV live this week mate??

Yes, I've watched the news (very rarely do I ever) but not once did I even say it's acceptable. But where in any religion does it say that this sort of thing is acceptable? I challenge you to find that written in any book. The point I was making is why did you say the religion is a disgrace, when it's got nothing to do with the religion itself?

The thing is, it's been no real secret. Catholic run establishments, especially in the south, have had some notorious and particularly harrowing tales about them, of which none of them I doubt would be true. Abuse is one thing, but I have stories of nuns getting rid of the unwanted babies that have resulted from the abuse. Details which I just don't want to write beause they are just too disgusting to even think about. It's just a shame that these scum decide to use the cloth as a guise to carry out these things. It's an easy cover. What is really inexcusable, however, is the fact that certain factions in the Church would have known about these things, and swept it under the carpet. They are as culpapble as any. But if they really do believe in their faith, then maybe there is a nasty fate waiting for them on the other side. I can only hope so.

Fair enough lad,some good points but to me the priests and clergy that convey a religion to people are in a way the religion(at very least a huge part of it).Its those that bring it to people and those that people look to for help and guidance in hard times!People see them as a physical link to god and sadly look up to and respect them..For what a fu,cking dog collar??

I stand by what I said its a disgrace of a religion.How can it be anything else?Look at what happened.Kids were getting brutally raped,beaten and pshycologically tortured for years.It was known about and covered up.The catholic church which lets face it is in itself the reigion let it happen.Wh? To save its own face.Its an absolute disgrace and cannot be defended,the religion and all that carry it are a joke..hypocrites!
People say it was only a handful of priests..Yeah right!

Tell me this..If you had a kid and needed a babysitter and your parish priest offered to babysit some night would you let him??
I would'nt let one of them mind my dog lad!
Dirty auld kunts!

As for where in the religion say that what happened is acceptable..Absolutely nowhere!But it obviously is acceptable cause its been happening for years and years and feck all done about it!
The church should hang its head in shame!

So people who are of the Catholic faith are a disgrace and a joke? I'd be careful about how you put those words into context. This is like saying that people of Muslim faith are a disgrace and a joke because a minority of them blow themselves - along with other people - up in the name of their faith. However, those dirty peadophile b"stards are not acting in the name of their faith, rather to satisfy their own disgusting lust. There is a difference.

Stop trying to twist words you silly little boy!
I never said that anyone of the catholic faith are a disgrace,or a joke!
Each to their own beliefs and all that,I dont give a fuc'k if someone wants to worship a tree if it makes them happy!

Listen again fella!
The catholic church and the religion(IN MY OPINION) are a joke.To me the church is the religion and vice versa!
The church covered up the most horrific things that a man can do on this planet(fuc'king children)
It was accepted!Now just because you have been brought up a catholic does not mean that I or anyone else that does not practice that faith or any religion for that matter owe it any respect!It disgusts me and everything about it.I have more respect for a binman than I will ever have for anyone that takes part in working for that institution!

I am not saying that people who practice this faith are anything,Im not judging them..its their choice!
Little attempt at the racist/bigot card their fella?
No need..Read what is in front of you before you get on yer high horse.

by **kazza 1** » Sun May 24, 2009 9:13 pm

When I was in work there on Thursday, I picked up a reverand, who was going to do a service in Carmoney Cemetery and we got to talking about religion, esp the Catholic religion. In the north people who go to Mass has declined so much in last 10 years that Chapels are closing their doors because they can't afford to keep them going. Also the bad press Preists have had, esp lately, have not helped. On UTV live last week there was a report about the abuse of children by both Nuns and Priests steming back into the 1930's. Young girls where put into the Magdeline laundries and made to work for up to 14 hours a day, beaten and abused until they where old enough to leave (18 mostly). But some women stayed until they died because they knew no other life. Sexual abuse was a daily part of life.
I know there are still a lot of people who go to Mass every week but I think most people have no faith whatsoever in the Catholic church.
Below is the report from Utv live

The Catholic Church was aware long-term sex offenders were repeatedly abusing children while working in Ireland's church and state-run institutions, a report has revealed.

Wednesday, 20 May 2009

The Child Abuse Commission detailed a catalogue of disturbing and chronic sexual, physical and emotional abuse inflicted on thousands of disadvantaged, neglected and abandoned children by both religious and lay staff over the last 70 years.
The dangers to the children were not taken into account, the inquiry found.
The report says: "The risk (to children), however, was seen by the congregations in terms of the potential scandal and bad publicity should the abuse be disclosed."
Judge Sean Ryan, who chaired the Commission, concluded that when confronted with evidence of sex abuse, religious authorities responded by transferring the sex offenders to another location, where in many instances they were free to abuse again.
"There was evidence that such men took up teaching positions sometimes within days of receiving dispensations because of serious allegations or admissions of sexual abuse," the report said.
"The safety of children in general was not a consideration."

Angry exchanges took place between Commission staff and victims of abuse, who were barred from the launch in a central Dublin hotel on Wednesday.
No abusers will be prosecuted as a result of the inquiry.
Institutions run by religious orders, including industrial and reform schools, institutions for the disabled, orphanages and ordinary day schools have been examined by the Commission over the past nine years.

While the names of alleged individual perpetrators have not been published - except for those already convicted by the court - the inquiry produced specific findings against 216 facilities.

The Sisters of Mercy and Christian Brothers, which ran the largest number of children's institutions, were among the long list of orders investigated.

'Predatory abuse'

Sexual abuse was endemic in boys' schools while in girls' schools, children were subjected to predatory abuse by male employees, visitors and while on outside placements.

Abuse was rarely reported to the State authorities but on the rare occasion the Department of Education was informed, it colluded with the religious orders in the culture of silence.

The Department generally dismissed or ignored sexual abuse complaints and never brought them to the attention of the Garda.

"At best, the abusers were moved but nothing was done about the harm done to the child.

"At worst, the child was blamed and seen as corrupted by the sexual activity, and was punished severely," the report stated.

Children were so badly neglected, survivors spoke of scavenging for food from waste bins and animal feed.

Unsupervised bullying in boys' schools often left smaller, weaker children without food.

Accommodation was cold, spartan and bleak while children were often left in soiled, wet work clothes after being forced to toil for long hours outdoors in farms, the report found.

Accountability

Victim John Walsh, of leading campaign group Irish Survivors of Child Abuse (Soca), called the report a hatchet job that left open wounds gaping.

"The little comfort we have is the knowledge that it vindicated the victims who were raped and sexually abused," said Mr Walsh.

"I'm very angry, very bitter, and feel cheated and deceived.

"I would have never opened my wounds if I'd known this was going to be the end result.

"It has devastated me and will devastate most victims because there is no criminal proceedings and no accountability whatsoever."

Other victims of the abuse have welcomed the report but have said that it doesn't go far enough.

"This report has not gone far enough. It is deeply flawed and incomplete," victims representative John Kelly said.

"The perpetrators of this abuse need to be held accountable."

Some of the abuses are more than 60 years old, with many of the alleged perpetrators already dead or infirm.

Apologies

Cardinal Seán Brady, Archbishop of Armagh and Primate of All Ireland has said he is profoundly sorry and deeply ashamed.

He said: "This Report makes it clear that great wrong and hurt were caused to some of the most vulnerable children in our society. It documents a shameful catalogue of cruelty: neglect, physical, sexual and emotional abuse, perpetrated against children.

"I am profoundly sorry and deeply ashamed that children suffered in such awful ways in these institutions. Children deserved better and especially from those caring for them in the name of Jesus Christ.

"I hope the publication of today's Report will help to heal the hurts of victims and to address the wrongs of the past. The Catholic Church remains determined to do all that is necessary to make the Church a safe, life-giving and joyful place for children."

The Christian Brothers also apologised for the abuse in the state and church run institutions.

In a statement the order, which ran some of the most fearsome schools, described the actions of some of its Brothers as deplorable.

The Presentation Brothers, which ran St Joseph's Industrial School for Boys, Cork, from 1940 until it closed in 1959, also added their apologies.

The Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, led by Mr Justice Sean Ryan, was set up in May 2000 by former Taoiseach Bertie Ahern after a television documentary series revealed the scale of neglect in schools, hospitals and institutions run by religious orders.

Roughly 2,500 men and women who were abused in schools and institutions all over the country gave evidence to the Commission.

by **Emerald Red** » Sun May 24, 2009 9:14 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:Priests are pervy kunts and always have been,the Catholic Church is a joke!
Biggest paedo ring in the world and they got away with it for years hiding behind the cloak of religion!!
Hundreds of people reported abuse to higher clergy to be told it was being dealt with.They failed to bring it to light because they had more loyalty to "god and the cloth" than humanity or decency!
People did not go to police because caught up in their religious beliefs they felt it was betraying God and were told the church would look after it!

Sick bast'ards all that done it and the ones that covered up or turned a blind eye..Disgrace of a religion..absolute joke!

I wouldnt take a dump in a chapel!!

Explain why it's "a disgrace of a religion" please.

Cause they covered up men abusing innocent children in the most vile and sickening ways for decades!Purely to protect the image of the church and religion.They new what was going on,kids suffered in silence and the people who were meant to protect our most vulnerable and in need of care,turned a blind eye!
Maybe you think thats acceptable and part of religion,i sure as fuc'k dont!
Have you not read our local papers or watched UTV live this week mate??

Yes, I've watched the news (very rarely do I ever) but not once did I even say it's acceptable. But where in any religion does it say that this sort of thing is acceptable? I challenge you to find that written in any book. The point I was making is why did you say the religion is a disgrace, when it's got nothing to do with the religion itself?

The thing is, it's been no real secret. Catholic run establishments, especially in the south, have had some notorious and particularly harrowing tales about them, of which none of them I doubt would be true. Abuse is one thing, but I have stories of nuns getting rid of the unwanted babies that have resulted from the abuse. Details which I just don't want to write beause they are just too disgusting to even think about. It's just a shame that these scum decide to use the cloth as a guise to carry out these things. It's an easy cover. What is really inexcusable, however, is the fact that certain factions in the Church would have known about these things, and swept it under the carpet. They are as culpapble as any. But if they really do believe in their faith, then maybe there is a nasty fate waiting for them on the other side. I can only hope so.

Fair enough lad,some good points but to me the priests and clergy that convey a religion to people are in a way the religion(at very least a huge part of it).Its those that bring it to people and those that people look to for help and guidance in hard times!People see them as a physical link to god and sadly look up to and respect them..For what a fu,cking dog collar??

I stand by what I said its a disgrace of a religion.How can it be anything else?Look at what happened.Kids were getting brutally raped,beaten and pshycologically tortured for years.It was known about and covered up.The catholic church which lets face it is in itself the reigion let it happen.Wh? To save its own face.Its an absolute disgrace and cannot be defended,the religion and all that carry it are a joke..hypocrites!
People say it was only a handful of priests..Yeah right!

Tell me this..If you had a kid and needed a babysitter and your parish priest offered to babysit some night would you let him??
I would'nt let one of them mind my dog lad!
Dirty auld kunts!

As for where in the religion say that what happened is acceptable..Absolutely nowhere!But it obviously is acceptable cause its been happening for years and years and feck all done about it!
The church should hang its head in shame!

So people who are of the Catholic faith are a disgrace and a joke? I'd be careful about how you put those words into context. This is like saying that people of Muslim faith are a disgrace and a joke because a minority of them blow themselves - along with other people - up in the name of their faith. However, those dirty peadophile b"stards are not acting in the name of their faith, rather to satisfy their own disgusting lust. There is a difference.

Stop trying to twist words you silly little boy!
I never said that anyone of the catholic faith are a disgrace,or a joke!
Each to their own beliefs and all that,I dont give a fuc'k if someone wants to worship a tree if it makes them happy!

Listen again fella!
The catholic church and the religion(IN MY OPINION) are a joke.To me the church is the religion and vice versa!
The church covered up the most horrific things that a man can do on this planet(fuc'king children)
It was accepted!Now just because you have been brought up a catholic does not mean that I or anyone else that does not practice that faith or any religion for that matter owe it any respect!It disgusts me and everything about it.I have more respect for a binman than I will ever have for anyone that takes part in working for that institution!

I am not saying that people who practice this faith are anything,Im not judging them..its their choice!
Little attempt at the racist/bigot card their fella?
No need..Read what is in front of you before you get on yer high horse.

Am I the only one seeing the contradictory nature in the term "the Catholic Church and the religion is a disgrace"? What am I missing here? The Church - the constitution - is not the same thing as the faith. They are not one and the same.

by **Number 9** » Sun May 24, 2009 9:21 pm

You are right its not the same thing..im wrong!The catholic church/religion is a branch of Christianity.A perfectly respectable religion(if you need it)
Its not Christianity that has been disgraced..its only the catholic church!

by **Emerald Red** » Sun May 24, 2009 9:46 pm

Number 9 wrote:You are right its not the same thing..im wrong!The catholic church/religion is a branch of Christianity.A perfectly respectable religion(if you need it)
Its not Christianity that has been disgraced..its only the catholic church!

Again, I could point out how wrong you are with this rant, but I'm not even going to bother. Any major cult, organisation, constitution, etc etc, is prone to mistakes, scandles, and disgrace. Once politics enter the mix, then it's inevitable. Yes, that does include every single branch of Christianity also. You dig deep enough, you unearth skeletons. It's not the nature of religion. It's just the nature of men.

by **Number 9** » Sun May 24, 2009 9:58 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:You are right its not the same thing..im wrong!The catholic church/religion is a branch of Christianity.A perfectly respectable religion(if you need it)
Its not Christianity that has been disgraced..its only the catholic church!

Again, I could point out how wrong you are with this rant, but I'm not even going to bother. Any major cult, organisation, constitution, etc etc, is prone to mistakes, scandles, and disgrace. Once politics enter the mix, then it's inevitable. Yes, that does include every single branch of Christianity also. You dig deep enough, you unearth skeletons. It's not the nature of religion. It's just the nature of men.

Yeah its the nature of men!
Right well its simple if I knew a kid was getting abused Id do something about it..I would not turn my back on a vulnerable kid that needed help!I could not sleep in my bed if i did!

Dont give me all that bollox lad..the bottom line is the catholic church is rotten to the core and publicly disgraced as it should be!If you want to defend it or the religion they carry to those that need it ..cool!
but dont be giving me its the nature of men..its not,its the nature of fuc'king paedophiles!
The amount of abuse that went on in the catholic church in ratio to what happens in society was not natural given the amount of kids to men!
Bottom line is that in the 60s 70s 80s and early 90s there was a trend that if you were a paedo in Ireland you became a priest!

by **Big Niall** » Mon May 25, 2009 12:00 am

dawson99 wrote:You can't blame religion on a couple of absolute pr!cks.
In all walks of life there are good and bad people.
Priests are still human and to err is human and.

I'm in no way advocating anything, just saying, leave the church alone, it's not the religion, its the people.

The whole world has gone mad.
anyone read about the 13 yr old who killed some 17 year old by knifing him in the neck?!?!

And due to his age they cannot print his picture. I say if you do that, the picture is there for all to see.

WRONG.

the individual priests are to blame for their actions but the catholic church is to blame for the cover up.

FACT (as rafa would say)

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:10 am

Just been watching this on Sky news, unbelievable how can a woman do this to kids? She has sexually abused 3 kids in the nursery, that the authorities know about, she has thousands of child porn images in her possession dirty feckin wench.

This woman is married with two kids, unbelievable how can a man or woman get kicks out of absuing kids they make me so angry.

A nursery worker is due in court charged with seven offences including making and distributing indecent images of children and sexual assault.
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Vanessa George, 39, from Plymouth, Devon, worked at the Little Ted's nursery in the city.

George, of Douglass Road, Efford, faces four counts of sexual assault and three further counts - making, possessing and distributing indecent images of children.

The charges were announced at a press conference where detectives said some of the suspect images could have been taken in the nursery at the centre of the investigation.

Assistant Detective Chief Superintendent Russ Middleton said: "It's safe to say we believe some of the images would have been taken within the nursery - but others it's impossible to say where those would have been taken.

"We are focusing on our attempts to identify the children contained within the images. This is a very difficult task due to the nature of those images.

"At this time we have been unable to identify any individual children. And it's right to say that some images may never be identified."

The nursery, which operates from an adjoining school and church, remains closed.

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