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lakes10 wrote:well next year IS going to be harder.
this year has been very strange, the top 4 clubs all found it hard playing the smaller teams, this is something that is going to go on and on.

and here is why i think that.

the more the top 4 pack their teams with non english players it get harder to build the big stars up to go to smaler clubs and smaller grounds, the stars start to feel they are better than that, they dont understand the english game and that small team can have their day, we sufferd from that at home this year, the smaller teams had been looking foward to come to our ground, how do you think our none english players frist felt when they see teams like Stoke coming to us, they think its a easy win and we come unstuck. we are not the only club to get hit like this and next year there will be more, if you can build a team that puts 100% into each game even if its a smaler club then that team has the better chance of winning the prem.

lakes10 wrote:well next year IS going to be harder.
this year has been very strange, the top 4 clubs all found it hard playing the smaller teams, this is something that is going to go on and on.

and here is why i think that.

the more the top 4 pack their teams with non english players it get harder to build the big stars up to go to smaler clubs and smaller grounds, the stars start to feel they are better than that, they dont understand the english game and that small team can have their day, we sufferd from that at home this year, the smaller teams had been looking foward to come to our ground, how do you think our none english players frist felt when they see teams like Stoke coming to us, they think its a easy win and we come unstuck. we are not the only club to get hit like this and next year there will be more, if you can build a team that puts 100% into each game even if its a smaler club then that team has the better chance of winning the prem.

Ahh, Lakes, always at the ready with the anti-English angle.   

stmichael wrote:

tonyeh wrote:We've rode OUR luck too, many times this season. It played a big part in the 2-1 victory over Utd and the 0-1 over Chelsea.

We battered United in the second half of that game. Ok our first goal was lucky but to say we rode our luck or to suggest we didn't deserve to win is just wrong.

Chelsea away we were immense. They created bugger all and didn't even have a a shot on target. Alonso hit the post and Babel nearly scored late on. It was an outstanding display.

GYBS wrote:So do you think we deserved to beat man utd twice and chelsea twice ?

DrPepe wrote:

tonyeh wrote:

stmichael wrote:

tonyeh wrote:We've rode OUR luck too, many times this season. It played a big part in the 2-1 victory over Utd and the 0-1 over Chelsea.

We battered United in the second half of that game. Ok our first goal was lucky but to say we rode our luck or to suggest we didn't deserve to win is just wrong.

Chelsea away we were immense. They created bugger all and didn't even have a a shot on target. Alonso hit the post and Babel nearly scored late on. It was an outstanding display.

I don't believe in "deserve" Mick. The team that gets the most goals wins the game, that's it. "Deserve" never comes into it.

Both the goals were lucky in the first Utd game. It didn't matter how well we played and yes well played better than Utd in both legs this year. However, the fact still remains that without good fortune, that result is a very different matter entirely.

In the first chelsea match, Alonso got a lucky deflection that bounced the ball away from Cech who had the shot covered
and Liverpool put eight men behind the ball for the rest of the game, while they came at us.

even without the "luck" of our deflected goal (how many lampard "lucky" deflected goals have chels benefited from inthe last 5 years?) at that stage in the season, a draw at chels would have been a very decent result.

But we scored early, stayed compact and even had a few chances to put it beyond doubt. I don't remember even being slightly concerned during that game. A perfect away result against a top team.

In the manunited (H) game, bot hgoals had the element of luck, but the type of luck that requires that  you're  up at the right part of the pitch creating chances and hassling the opponents.

Again - when you beat such a top quality team it generally comes down to those "little details" i.e. mistakes (see Skrtl,M in the CL QF and Vidic,N in our away game at OT for good examples  )

GYBS wrote:But surely a lot of teams get the reward their play deserves and win the match hence them deserving to win the match through their own good play and scoring goals.

Oh yawn! 

At the end of the day, it still means nothing. It has no real effect and it's pointless lip flapping.

More goals wins the game, it doesn't matter who thinks who "deserves" what. It just doesn't come into it on any tangible level.

tonyeh wrote:

DrPepe wrote:

tonyeh wrote:

stmichael wrote:

tonyeh wrote:We've rode OUR luck too, many times this season. It played a big part in the 2-1 victory over Utd and the 0-1 over Chelsea.

We battered United in the second half of that game. Ok our first goal was lucky but to say we rode our luck or to suggest we didn't deserve to win is just wrong.

Chelsea away we were immense. They created bugger all and didn't even have a a shot on target. Alonso hit the post and Babel nearly scored late on. It was an outstanding display.

I don't believe in "deserve" Mick. The team that gets the most goals wins the game, that's it. "Deserve" never comes into it.

Both the goals were lucky in the first Utd game. It didn't matter how well we played and yes well played better than Utd in both legs this year. However, the fact still remains that without good fortune, that result is a very different matter entirely.

In the first chelsea match, Alonso got a lucky deflection that bounced the ball away from Cech who had the shot covered
and Liverpool put eight men behind the ball for the rest of the game, while they came at us.

even without the "luck" of our deflected goal (how many lampard "lucky" deflected goals have chels benefited from inthe last 5 years?) at that stage in the season, a draw at chels would have been a very decent result.

But we scored early, stayed compact and even had a few chances to put it beyond doubt. I don't remember even being slightly concerned during that game. A perfect away result against a top team.

In the manunited (H) game, bot hgoals had the element of luck, but the type of luck that requires that  you're  up at the right part of the pitch creating chances and hassling the opponents.

Again - when you beat such a top quality team it generally comes down to those "little details" i.e. mistakes (see Skrtl,M in the CL QF and Vidic,N in our away game at OT for good examples  )

Doc, it doesn't matter how many lucky goals other teams have had. Good fortune smiles on every team, now and again. Every team this and every year has had their slices of luck change to outcome of situations.

And I agree, a draw at the bridge at that time would still have been a great result. Alonso's deflection was the icing on the cake. But, unlike you, I was concerned for the entire game. Chelsea threw everything they had at us in that match, but Liverpool defended very well, putting two banks of four in front of Pepe and twarted Chelsea's attacks.

Also, it doesn't matter what "type" of luck was involved in the goals against Utd. It's still luck.

"luck" or "opposition mistakes" - i'm not sure where the line is drawn for any particular goal. If our goals were "lucky"  inthe chels or manc game, does that mean the opposition were "unlucky" to not get anything out of the game? 
semantics 

the only conclusive thing is the 3 points

tonyeh wrote:

DrPepe wrote:

tonyeh wrote:

stmichael wrote:

tonyeh wrote:We've rode OUR luck too, many times this season. It played a big part in the 2-1 victory over Utd and the 0-1 over Chelsea.

We battered United in the second half of that game. Ok our first goal was lucky but to say we rode our luck or to suggest we didn't deserve to win is just wrong.

Chelsea away we were immense. They created bugger all and didn't even have a a shot on target. Alonso hit the post and Babel nearly scored late on. It was an outstanding display.

I don't believe in "deserve" Mick. The team that gets the most goals wins the game, that's it. "Deserve" never comes into it.

Both the goals were lucky in the first Utd game. It didn't matter how well we played and yes well played better than Utd in both legs this year. However, the fact still remains that without good fortune, that result is a very different matter entirely.

In the first chelsea match, Alonso got a lucky deflection that bounced the ball away from Cech who had the shot covered
and Liverpool put eight men behind the ball for the rest of the game, while they came at us.

even without the "luck" of our deflected goal (how many lampard "lucky" deflected goals have chels benefited from inthe last 5 years?) at that stage in the season, a draw at chels would have been a very decent result.

But we scored early, stayed compact and even had a few chances to put it beyond doubt. I don't remember even being slightly concerned during that game. A perfect away result against a top team.

In the manunited (H) game, bot hgoals had the element of luck, but the type of luck that requires that  you're  up at the right part of the pitch creating chances and hassling the opponents.

Again - when you beat such a top quality team it generally comes down to those "little details" i.e. mistakes (see Skrtl,M in the CL QF and Vidic,N in our away game at OT for good examples  )

Doc, it doesn't matter how many lucky goals other teams have had. Good fortune smiles on every team, now and again. Every team this and every year has had their slices of luck change to outcome of situations.

And I agree, a draw at the bridge at that time would still have been a great result. Alonso's deflection was the icing on the cake. But, unlike you, I was concerned for the entire game. Chelsea threw everything they had at us in that match, but Liverpool defended very well, putting two banks of four in front of Pepe and twarted Chelsea's attacks.

Also, it doesn't matter what "type" of luck was involved in the goals against Utd. It's still luck.

Not sure what game you watched Tony but we dominated the game at stamford bridge and but for ashley cole having a chance at the end we were never in danger.

You may have been nervous as our record up there is so poor, but there is no way they had us on the back foot.
We also had Alonso freekick that had Cech beaten and was unlucky to come back off the post.

And of course teams deserve to win games, what kind of weird point are you trying to make with that one