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by **SuuPeRrSteviieG!!** » Mon May 11, 2009 5:40 pm

kazza wrote:I keep reading about rumours of Tevez perhaps leaving Utd in the summer and us being favourites to get him. I myself think that he is an excellent player that might be the answer we need in that creative striker mold (assuming we play Gerrard on the right). I was curious how fans would welcome that (I know it is rumours). Raffa is downplaying it which makes me feel it might be on the cards. When him and Mascha we being flogged around I felt we got the wrong player as we needed Tevez more, now we could get both. I think he may be a world class player one day and we should try and get him.

Don't think we will get him, seen as United hate us with a deep passion, yes hes a great player who is proven a talisman in the premier league and has scored plenty of goals for united this season. imo i dont see why united want him away and are keeping Berbatov? agree , disagree ?[B]

by **NANNY RED** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:17 pm

GYBS wrote:Yeah away you go introduce yourself in the thread .

you sound like someone whos wears one of them prefect badges there , off you go :laugh:

by **GYBS** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:22 pm

gotta keep them in line Nanny

by **Scottbot** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:08 pm

bavlondon wrote:Carlos Tevez: Why signing him would be a huge mistake for Liverpool

Speculation is mounting that Rafael Benitez wants to sign Carlos Tevez from Manchester United. Whilst the Argentinean is a very good player, where exactly would he fit into the team?

I really don’t get the logic in signing Tevez – he is ostensibly a second striker, but that position is well and truly taken at Liverpool by Steven Gerrard. And as good as Tevez is, there is no way he is going to displace Gerrard.

In any event, we have Yossi Benayoun to play Gerrard’s position if the need arises, and the Israeli has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt this season that he can and will step up and take responsibility in Gerrard’s absence.

The same goes for Fernando Torres – Tevez will not displace him and he would be too expensive a player just to be used as a back-up striker.

And as we saw with the Robbie Keane fiasco, changing the team to 442 just to accommodate another striker is a non-starter as it just doesn’t work.

If Tevez doesn’t play up front, that means the only other options are on the wings, but that would mean playing him out of position when we should be trying to sign *specialist* wide players, not putting square pegs in round holes.

Tevez has already made it quite clear that he is sick of sitting on the bench so why would he swap the Old Trafford bench for the Anfield bench, which is inevitably where he would spend a lot of his time?

Admittedly, as a means of irritating Sir Alex Ferguson, signing Carlos Tevez would be a masterstroke par excellence (!), but we shouldn't just be signing players to get one over on Man United.

I think it is clear that the 4231 formation is the only formation that has *consistently* worked under Benitez, so that must not be changed for anything or anyone.

Furthermore, Gerrard and Torres *must* play in their proper positions in as many games as possible and that surely is non-negotiable.

As such, Liverpool should (in my view) only be focusing on buying players for the following positions:

Left midfield/wing
Right midfield/wing
Right back
Back-up striker (Around the £10m price range)

The club needs to find the best specialist right/left midfielders money can buy (within budget) - players with experience who know those positions inside out.

No more money can be wasted on players who will not fit into the system – that means not buying players just because they’re good (i.e. Tevez ) and buying players who will seamlessly slot into the formation.

Albert Riera is an example of the type of player I’m talking about; dedicated left winger who slotted into the team easily. If the club can find players a couple of notches above him in quality to fill out the relevant positions, I really believe the title is up for grabs next season.

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2009....be.html

Hard to disagree with these sentiments.

I like Tevez a lot and think he would dovetail brilliantly with Torres but with Gerrard well and truly established playing in the hole it's difficult to see Tevez seeing more for the lfc than he currently gets with the mancs. He'd get his fair share of starts + umpteen substitute appearances but I think he'd find himself on the bench for the biggest games. I'm sure he would realise that himself. If he leaves united it will be to play in Spain I would suspect.

Surely we need a player who can play anywhere across the front four? My choice would be Aguero, he can play anywhere across the front four.

by **tubby** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:22 pm

Just to point out to anyone suggesting another 3rd party loan. That won't be happening as it's been outlawed by the Premier League. They have changed their rules, no doubt based on the mess his loan with West Ham ended up in.

by **red_guy** » Tue May 12, 2009 1:37 am

Richj wrote:I don't rate him that much, If we could get him for under £20 million then maybe but think of the forwards you could get for his current price tag... Villa, Aguero...

Villa is wwwwaaaaaayyyy more expensive than Tevez, and Aguero , no doubt that this guy is going to be the world beater soon, is still unproven esp. in the premiership.

by **Bad Bob** » Tue May 12, 2009 3:05 am

Scottbot wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Carlos Tevez: Why signing him would be a huge mistake for Liverpool

Speculation is mounting that Rafael Benitez wants to sign Carlos Tevez from Manchester United. Whilst the Argentinean is a very good player, where exactly would he fit into the team?

I really don’t get the logic in signing Tevez – he is ostensibly a second striker, but that position is well and truly taken at Liverpool by Steven Gerrard. And as good as Tevez is, there is no way he is going to displace Gerrard.

In any event, we have Yossi Benayoun to play Gerrard’s position if the need arises, and the Israeli has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt this season that he can and will step up and take responsibility in Gerrard’s absence.

The same goes for Fernando Torres – Tevez will not displace him and he would be too expensive a player just to be used as a back-up striker.

And as we saw with the Robbie Keane fiasco, changing the team to 442 just to accommodate another striker is a non-starter as it just doesn’t work.

If Tevez doesn’t play up front, that means the only other options are on the wings, but that would mean playing him out of position when we should be trying to sign *specialist* wide players, not putting square pegs in round holes.

Tevez has already made it quite clear that he is sick of sitting on the bench so why would he swap the Old Trafford bench for the Anfield bench, which is inevitably where he would spend a lot of his time?

Admittedly, as a means of irritating Sir Alex Ferguson, signing Carlos Tevez would be a masterstroke par excellence (!), but we shouldn't just be signing players to get one over on Man United.

I think it is clear that the 4231 formation is the only formation that has *consistently* worked under Benitez, so that must not be changed for anything or anyone.

Furthermore, Gerrard and Torres *must* play in their proper positions in as many games as possible and that surely is non-negotiable.

As such, Liverpool should (in my view) only be focusing on buying players for the following positions:

Left midfield/wing
Right midfield/wing
Right back
Back-up striker (Around the £10m price range)

The club needs to find the best specialist right/left midfielders money can buy (within budget) - players with experience who know those positions inside out.

No more money can be wasted on players who will not fit into the system – that means not buying players just because they’re good (i.e. Tevez ) and buying players who will seamlessly slot into the formation.

Albert Riera is an example of the type of player I’m talking about; dedicated left winger who slotted into the team easily. If the club can find players a couple of notches above him in quality to fill out the relevant positions, I really believe the title is up for grabs next season.

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2009....be.html

Hard to disagree with these sentiments.

I like Tevez a lot and think he would dovetail brilliantly with Torres but with Gerrard well and truly established playing in the hole it's difficult to see Tevez seeing more for the lfc than he currently gets with the mancs. He'd get his fair share of starts + umpteen substitute appearances but I think he'd find himself on the bench for the biggest games. I'm sure he would realise that himself. If he leaves united it will be to play in Spain I would suspect.

Surely we need a player who can play anywhere across the front four? My choice would be Aguero, he can play anywhere across the front four.

Aguero ticks all the boxes for me as well, Scott. Would love to see him come in--would make missing out on Arshavin less painful.

by **kazza** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:29 am

I just heard on Skynews that Tevez wishes to play for Liverpool and keep living where he is living . It also said that AC Milan was the team that offered 40 million pounds for the player but he may well come to us. This may just happen!

On the flip side if Utd go on to sign him for 30 million then we made them pay 30 million for a player they already have and never use :laugh:

. I think he is coming to us.

by **tubby** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:33 am

Him wanting to come to us and us being able to afford him are 2 different things. I think he would be great here but it all depends on if Rafa is allowed to spend that much. I hope the owners make an exception and give him whatever it takes to get him.

by **bunglemark2** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:37 am

I'm gonna nail my colours to the mast here and say that I would love to see Tevez here next season. There are a lot of comments on here that Benny is the ideal player on the right, that we shouldn't sacrifice Benny for the sake of Tezez etc. but for months now I've been unconvinced by Benny, at least not in a starting eleven. Good as a squad player, and the kind of player you could rely on to - hopefully - turn things around (Fulham etc..). But if it was a toss-up between Tevez and Benny (let's forget Babel), then I would snap yer hand off....

by **GYBS** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:41 am

tevez is levels way above benny - benny has had some cracking displays lately and shown he is a great squad player but he is not the same standard of player as tevez. so agree bungle work snap up tevez if the price is right and play him instead of benny every day of the week .

by **tubby** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:42 am

The

.rag seems to be the source of this latest story.

by **kazza** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:52 am

bavlondon wrote:The .rag seems to be the source of this latest story.

That may be true but if his family are settled and does not want to move that is a big factor. The other big factor is CL football next season and City cannot offer that or a guarantee for the following season. Finally we have already done business for Mascha with the same owners so why can't this thing happen. I would say we are favourite to land him as I am sure he has a say in where he plays.

by **tubby** » Tue May 12, 2009 9:59 am

Well we are coming to the end of the season so we will know soon enough where he will be going.

by **Festy** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:09 am

bavlondon wrote:Well we are coming to the end of the season so we will know soon enough where he will be going.

This Tevez saga may well continue till 31st August midnight mate.

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