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by **RobinHood6969** » Fri May 08, 2009 4:47 am

Yes the luxury of having impact players on bench or let us put it this way..Mancs for eg: have tevez as a bench player so if rooney is out injured they have equally good tevez on the field.. thts the improvement we should make.. im sure we would only improve next season if we hit Bingo in the transfer market.As "Rome was not built in a day", it would take its share of time and i see that picture being completed next season..

by **Judge** » Fri May 08, 2009 7:52 am

Bad Bob wrote:More troubling is Judge's theological framework here. Are God and Jesus not meant to be different but equal aspects of the same divinity according to Christian precepts? If so, how can Jesus merit less of a pay raise than God?

indeed you have a point

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri May 08, 2009 8:59 am

Owzat wrote:Can't vote, the poll doesn't include an option close to my view of Rafa which has improved only slightly from the last time. There is a chance he can win us the title, still plenty he can do to improve tactically, defensively and with one or two key purchases in the summer. We've still drawn too many games this season, if we do the same next season then he may as well go as we will struggle to win the league while drawing double figures

PREMIERSHIP

04/05 7 draws
05/06 7 draws
06/07 8 draws
07/08 13 draws
08/09 11 draws

By comparison the champions in the past four seasons have drawn just 23 games combined, we've drawn more than that in just under two (07/08-08/09) Rafa may have done enough to earn another season, but there needs to be improvement on this season bare minimum, if not a league title at the end of it. Chelsea should prove much tougher next season, Arsenal may rise again as they do every now and then. And who knows what kind of threat Citeh, villa and the bitters may pose - less likely the latter two, but you never know.

Please - feel free to show us your tactical nous. There are plenty of clubs who would snap up a managerial genius such as yourself and pay you handsomely for it..

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:01 am

bavlondon wrote:Some of you take things so seriously. For those that will choose to vote negativley towards Rafa, think about what this season has been like and compare that to every year since we last won the league.

Jesus whats next, Rafa clothes-o-meter.

You're forgetting - you need a brain to think...

by **Lando_Griffin** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:22 am

aCe' wrote:its a 5 for me... which is an improvement on the 3 he got earlier on...
its all about how we go about our play next season for me because theres very little we can now do to determine where we stand in the league... Obviously the levels of trust as some have put it are going to change depending on the results but id rather try to focus on thhe e bigger picture here... we lost a good lead and failed to capitalize on a good (wouldn't go as far as saying a once in a blue moon) opportunity to win the league with the other big sides stumbling early on... He made a total mess of a fair few things early on (the keane thing, the ferguson rant, all the draws, and some of the selections) but he managed to somewhat turn things around of late and all credit where its due ... a case of it being a little too late though im afraid...

Its all about next season for me from here on... I think its very hard to predict what Rafa will do in the summer (sissoko? keane? mess with a winning formation? sell finnan? sell Hyypia?!) but whatever it is that he decides to do i just hope it doesnt cost us much early on and hopefully he would have learned from the same mistakes that we've been doing for the past 3 years... if anything the way we've been playing in recent weeks or dare i even say the last couple of months or so has got me pretty excited about the way we are going to approach next seasons fixtures.. hopefully Rafa's attitude and adjusted attacking mentality will be carried on to next season and with the right transfers and as little messing around with the current squad/lineup/formation.. i can see us challenging seriously at more than one front...

Imagine if you will a diamond, roughly 3 feet in diameter. It rests atop a solid gold plinth, in a rugged cave The occasional orange flicker of a torch the only thing keeping the darkness at bay. Despite this, the quality and purity of the diamond is obvious - it is a magnificent sight. It glistens in the fire's light, casting a shadow which gently moves about the cave wall. The diamond has been mined within the last week but is already the subject of expansive and numerous theft-attempts by some of the World's biggest criminal masterminds.

Now imagine the guard. A colossus of a man, 7 feet tall with arms the size of tree trunks. He is armed with a razor-sharp sabre, eagle-like eye-sight and a keen mind. He has the added incentive that his wife and children are being held captive pending the safe retrieval of the diamond. He is prepared to fight to the death, with the rage of a rabid pitbull terrier to keep the jewel on the plinth and air in his family's lungs.

This is how passionately I will defend my iron-willed belief that you, Ace of Newkit, are a complete and utter prat.

by **Judge** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:28 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:its a 5 for me... which is an improvement on the 3 he got earlier on...
its all about how we go about our play next season for me because theres very little we can now do to determine where we stand in the league... Obviously the levels of trust as some have put it are going to change depending on the results but id rather try to focus on thhe e bigger picture here... we lost a good lead and failed to capitalize on a good (wouldn't go as far as saying a once in a blue moon) opportunity to win the league with the other big sides stumbling early on... He made a total mess of a fair few things early on (the keane thing, the ferguson rant, all the draws, and some of the selections) but he managed to somewhat turn things around of late and all credit where its due ... a case of it being a little too late though im afraid...

Its all about next season for me from here on... I think its very hard to predict what Rafa will do in the summer (sissoko? keane? mess with a winning formation? sell finnan? sell Hyypia?!) but whatever it is that he decides to do i just hope it doesnt cost us much early on and hopefully he would have learned from the same mistakes that we've been doing for the past 3 years... if anything the way we've been playing in recent weeks or dare i even say the last couple of months or so has got me pretty excited about the way we are going to approach next seasons fixtures.. hopefully Rafa's attitude and adjusted attacking mentality will be carried on to next season and with the right transfers and as little messing around with the current squad/lineup/formation.. i can see us challenging seriously at more than one front...

Imagine if you will a diamond, roughly 3 feet in diameter. It rests atop a solid gold plinth, in a rugged cave The occasional orange flicker of a torch the only thing keeping the darkness at bay. Despite this, the quality and purity of the diamond is obvious - it is a magnificent sight. It glistens in the fire's light, casting a shadow which gently moves about the cave wall. The diamond has been mined within the last week but is already the subject of expansive and numerous theft-attempts by some of the World's biggest criminal masterminds.

Now imagine the guard. A colossus of a man, 7 feet tall with arms the size of tree trunks. He is armed with a razor-sharp sabre, eagle-like eye-sight and a keen mind. He has the added incentive that his wife and children are being held captive pending the safe retrieval of the diamond. He is prepared to fight to the death, with the rage of a rabid pitbull terrier to keep the jewel on the plinth and air in his family's lungs.

This is how passionately I will defend my iron-willed belief that you, Ace of Newkit, are a complete and utter prat.

explain the bit in bold paul? :laugh:

by **Sabre** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:35 am

He is armed with a razor-sharp sabre

Just to make clear this is a metaphor

, a figure of speech.

by **Judge** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:03 am

Sabre wrote:The idea of the original Faithometer was to measure the different levels of trust/ lack of trust of the people, to show it's not black and white always.

And also to see the faith parameter in time.

It seems so far that Judge's faithometer says Rafa has got back some trust out of newkitters, because there are few 5 and 4s.

a positive response to my thread, thanks

by **DrPepe** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:17 am

can we get some kind of graphical representation set up

by **Bad Bob** » Fri May 08, 2009 12:22 pm

Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:its a 5 for me... which is an improvement on the 3 he got earlier on...
its all about how we go about our play next season for me because theres very little we can now do to determine where we stand in the league... Obviously the levels of trust as some have put it are going to change depending on the results but id rather try to focus on thhe e bigger picture here... we lost a good lead and failed to capitalize on a good (wouldn't go as far as saying a once in a blue moon) opportunity to win the league with the other big sides stumbling early on... He made a total mess of a fair few things early on (the keane thing, the ferguson rant, all the draws, and some of the selections) but he managed to somewhat turn things around of late and all credit where its due ... a case of it being a little too late though im afraid...

Its all about next season for me from here on... I think its very hard to predict what Rafa will do in the summer (sissoko? keane? mess with a winning formation? sell finnan? sell Hyypia?!) but whatever it is that he decides to do i just hope it doesnt cost us much early on and hopefully he would have learned from the same mistakes that we've been doing for the past 3 years... if anything the way we've been playing in recent weeks or dare i even say the last couple of months or so has got me pretty excited about the way we are going to approach next seasons fixtures.. hopefully Rafa's attitude and adjusted attacking mentality will be carried on to next season and with the right transfers and as little messing around with the current squad/lineup/formation.. i can see us challenging seriously at more than one front...

Imagine if you will a diamond, roughly 3 feet in diameter. It rests atop a solid gold plinth, in a rugged cave The occasional orange flicker of a torch the only thing keeping the darkness at bay. Despite this, the quality and purity of the diamond is obvious - it is a magnificent sight. It glistens in the fire's light, casting a shadow which gently moves about the cave wall. The diamond has been mined within the last week but is already the subject of expansive and numerous theft-attempts by some of the World's biggest criminal masterminds.

Now imagine the guard. A colossus of a man, 7 feet tall with arms the size of tree trunks. He is armed with a razor-sharp sabre, eagle-like eye-sight and a keen mind. He has the added incentive that his wife and children are being held captive pending the safe retrieval of the diamond. He is prepared to fight to the death, with the rage of a rabid pitbull terrier to keep the jewel on the plinth and air in his family's lungs.

This is how passionately I will defend my iron-willed belief that you, Ace of Newkit, are a complete and utter prat.

Have I wandered into Let's Write A Story by accident again.

by **Judge** » Fri May 08, 2009 12:32 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:its a 5 for me... which is an improvement on the 3 he got earlier on...
its all about how we go about our play next season for me because theres very little we can now do to determine where we stand in the league... Obviously the levels of trust as some have put it are going to change depending on the results but id rather try to focus on thhe e bigger picture here... we lost a good lead and failed to capitalize on a good (wouldn't go as far as saying a once in a blue moon) opportunity to win the league with the other big sides stumbling early on... He made a total mess of a fair few things early on (the keane thing, the ferguson rant, all the draws, and some of the selections) but he managed to somewhat turn things around of late and all credit where its due ... a case of it being a little too late though im afraid...

Its all about next season for me from here on... I think its very hard to predict what Rafa will do in the summer (sissoko? keane? mess with a winning formation? sell finnan? sell Hyypia?!) but whatever it is that he decides to do i just hope it doesnt cost us much early on and hopefully he would have learned from the same mistakes that we've been doing for the past 3 years... if anything the way we've been playing in recent weeks or dare i even say the last couple of months or so has got me pretty excited about the way we are going to approach next seasons fixtures.. hopefully Rafa's attitude and adjusted attacking mentality will be carried on to next season and with the right transfers and as little messing around with the current squad/lineup/formation.. i can see us challenging seriously at more than one front...

Imagine if you will a diamond, roughly 3 feet in diameter. It rests atop a solid gold plinth, in a rugged cave The occasional orange flicker of a torch the only thing keeping the darkness at bay. Despite this, the quality and purity of the diamond is obvious - it is a magnificent sight. It glistens in the fire's light, casting a shadow which gently moves about the cave wall. The diamond has been mined within the last week but is already the subject of expansive and numerous theft-attempts by some of the World's biggest criminal masterminds.

Now imagine the guard. A colossus of a man, 7 feet tall with arms the size of tree trunks. He is armed with a razor-sharp sabre, eagle-like eye-sight and a keen mind. He has the added incentive that his wife and children are being held captive pending the safe retrieval of the diamond. He is prepared to fight to the death, with the rage of a rabid pitbull terrier to keep the jewel on the plinth and air in his family's lungs.

This is how passionately I will defend my iron-willed belief that you, Ace of Newkit, are a complete and utter prat.

Have I wandered into Let's Write A Story by accident again.

and so bob wondered how the story would unfold...

by **Bad Bob** » Fri May 08, 2009 12:46 pm

Nah, let's stick to topic...

Can't honestly remember how I scored Rafa in previous iterations of the poll but he's gone up several notches in my estimation since the nadir that was Keanegate. Some have expressed disappointment that we had a great shot to win the thing this year and blew it but, for me, it was always going to be a real long shot winning the league this time out. The lads had never been blooded in a genuine challenge and the nerves would surely tell at some point, I thought, and they most certainly did. But, I'm really proud of how they've hauled themselves back into it and made of race of it rather than a Man U processional. For that Rafa deserves credit too.

I guess it all boils down to a simple question for me: would we be content if we started the next season playing as we are right now? If the answer's yes--and I'd struggle to find anyone who wouldn't answer in the affirmative--then surely the manager must be doing a good job and deserves plaudits (not pay raises) for that. He's got most of the job done. What's left to do is to bring in a couple of quality additions for this summer--ones that suit are current system rather than disrupt it and ones who he shows faith enough in to let them find their feet. That's part one. Part two is turning the dial slightly more towards adventurous when playing at home against what should be the cannon fodder of the league. Rebuild Fortress Anfield and we're in with a shout next season.

by **tubby** » Fri May 08, 2009 12:53 pm

Lando should write kids stories. Very descriptive style of writing.

by **Owzat** » Fri May 08, 2009 1:03 pm

Don't see as we're performing that much different now than we have been before

LAST 50 PREMIERSHIP GAMES

41-50 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23
31-40 : P10 W5 D5 L0 PTS 20
21-30 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23
11-20 : P10 W7 D3 L0 PTS 24
01-10 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23

The game before we lost to West Ham so it's a favourable starting point, not that I planned it that way or in any way.

Pretty consistent, still way too many draws - 14 in 50 games (28%) Makes it even more annoying that two of the defeats were to Boro (19th) and spudz (10th) and the draws mainly disappointing ones and too many at home. This is poor timing to ask the question, only a bit more time will tell if we can shake off those excessive tendancies to draw.

We still aren't winning enough games in a row. Our best run of wins in the league this season is just five (twice) and we haven't won more than five in a row since the end of 05/06. We'll never sustain pressure on rivals if we can't put together longer winning runs, they know they don't have to wait too long for us to drop points.

by **Bad Bob** » Fri May 08, 2009 1:03 pm

bavlondon wrote:Lando should write kids stories. Very descriptive style of writing.

Are you mad?

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