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by **Bad Bob** » Sun May 03, 2009 2:26 pm

bavlondon wrote:A lot of rumors this weekend.

Rafa will sell Alonso to finance Barry.

Also today in the NOTW we could go for Downing and sell Riera.

Bav if you believe there's anything to either of those rumours I've got some swampland in the Canadian north to sell ya. Absolutely nonsense rumours that are simply laughable. :laugh:

by **Zidane** » Sun May 03, 2009 2:28 pm

I had a dream Rafa somehow ended up with like 50m to spend.. without selling anyone that I cared about, it was vague but he definitely had 50m to spend.

by **Number 9** » Sun May 03, 2009 2:30 pm

bavlondon wrote:A lot of rumors this weekend.

Rafa will sell Alonso to finance Barry.

Also today in the NOTW we could go for Downing and sell Riera.

Fuc'kin Sunday Sun Bav!!
Thought ya new better mate!

by **tubby** » Sun May 03, 2009 3:18 pm

Didn't say I believed them. Was just mentioning them that's all.

But I do think Rafa will sell a key player in the summer to finance a move for Barry or someone else.

by **tonyeh** » Sun May 03, 2009 3:36 pm

If Benitez sold Alosnso after the season he's had, he'd be a feckin moron.

by **DanAn** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:12 am

SELL:
1st team: Babel, Lucas, Dossena, El Zhar
On Loan: Voronin, Mihaylov, Pennant, Anderson
Reserves: Itandje, Huth, Mendy

BUY:
1st team: Barry, Silva, Rafinha, Negredo

Jobs done, will only cost net spending of 40m

by **red_guy** » Mon May 04, 2009 6:50 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
lakes10 wrote:Fabio Aurelio

Alvaro Arbeloa

Are you high?

my thoughts exactly...

definitely ..... high. :nod

by **Sabre** » Mon May 04, 2009 8:06 am

loopyliverpool wrote:
lakes10 wrote:who i would sell

Lucas Leiva
Andrea Dossena
Andriy Voronin
Jermaine Pennant
Fabio Aurelio
Alvaro Arbeloa
Ryan Babel
plus 8 young players

Apart from Aurelio I totally agree with you Lakes. A lot of people seem to like Arbeloa I don't get that one at all... very average in my opinion. Babel would be a bit of a wrench but he just doesn't perform when given the chance so I would do the honourable thing and give the lad an opportunity at another club.

I'm somewhere in the middle of your position and Bad Bob's.

For me Arbeloa is an average-goodish player, who, in all fairness, has performed pretty well during his Liverpool career.

Meaning, I think he does deserve the praises he receives, but at the same time, I think there are plenty of players that have a similar level.

Bearing in mind that, let's remember that Arbeloa was really cheap, less than 1M. Let's consider that right now, even having been summoned by the Spanish Squad, his value must be very high, and I can see an Atletico Madrid offer of 6-7M perfectly.

And then there's that constant rumour that Arbeloa is a bit homesick.

So I agree Bob that even if you don't consider him your ideal starting eleven player, we'd still need him in the squad... but at the same time I think that if there's a good moment to sell Arbeloa, it's this summer. I don't think his price will go further in the rest of his career.

by **Festy** » Mon May 04, 2009 11:25 am

Sabre wrote:Bearing in mind that, let's remember that Arbeloa was really cheap, less than 1M.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Arbeloa cost us around 4M ?

by **Bad Bob** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:57 pm

Sabre wrote:
loopyliverpool wrote:
lakes10 wrote:who i would sell

Lucas Leiva
Andrea Dossena
Andriy Voronin
Jermaine Pennant
Fabio Aurelio
Alvaro Arbeloa
Ryan Babel
plus 8 young players

Apart from Aurelio I totally agree with you Lakes. A lot of people seem to like Arbeloa I don't get that one at all... very average in my opinion. Babel would be a bit of a wrench but he just doesn't perform when given the chance so I would do the honourable thing and give the lad an opportunity at another club.

I'm somewhere in the middle of your position and Bad Bob's.

For me Arbeloa is an average-goodish player, who, in all fairness, has performed pretty well during his Liverpool career.

Meaning, I think he does deserve the praises he receives, but at the same time, I think there are plenty of players that have a similar level.

Bearing in mind that, let's remember that Arbeloa was really cheap, less than 1M. Let's consider that right now, even having been summoned by the Spanish Squad, his value must be very high, and I can see an Atletico Madrid offer of 6-7M perfectly.

And then there's that constant rumour that Arbeloa is a bit homesick.

So I agree Bob that even if you don't consider him your ideal starting eleven player, we'd still need him in the squad... but at the same time I think that if there's a good moment to sell Arbeloa, it's this summer. I don't think his price will go further in the rest of his career.

It's a good point, mate, but it would mean that we'd probably need to buy two right backs. I don't think we can count on Degen at all given his injury track record and Darby might not be ready to make an Insua-esque step up. I don't like using Carra, Skrtel or Mascherano as a makeshift RB either. So, if we cashed in on Arbeloa we might need to bring in a couple of players unless Rafa is prepared to put his faith in Darby as the back-up.

by **akumaface** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:21 pm

Adding to the above players mentioned, i would sell Diego as we don't need a 3 million pound back up GK.

by **Reg** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:39 pm

loopyliverpool wrote:
lakes10 wrote:who i would sell

Lucas Leiva

Andrea Dossena

Andriy Voronin

Jermaine Pennant

Fabio Aurelio

Alvaro Arbeloa

Ryan Babel

plus 8 young players

Apart from Aurelio I totally agree with you Lakes. A lot of people seem to like Arbeloa I don't get that one at all... very average in my opinion. Babel would be a bit of a wrench but he just doesn't perform when given the chance so I would do the honourable thing and give the lad an opportunity at another club.

Good fullbacks always do look average - Phil Neal, Alec Lindsey, Phil Lawler etc... just did their job - they´re not supposed to be glamourous or get caught out of position. IMHO our two lads do a typical first class job expected of high level fullbacks. How glamourous are manure´s or Chelsea´s FB´s?

by **Festy** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:52 pm

Reg wrote:
loopyliverpool wrote:
lakes10 wrote:who i would sell

Lucas Leiva

Andrea Dossena

Andriy Voronin

Jermaine Pennant

Fabio Aurelio

Alvaro Arbeloa

Ryan Babel

plus 8 young players

Apart from Aurelio I totally agree with you Lakes. A lot of people seem to like Arbeloa I don't get that one at all... very average in my opinion. Babel would be a bit of a wrench but he just doesn't perform when given the chance so I would do the honourable thing and give the lad an opportunity at another club.

Good fullbacks always do look average - Phil Neal, Alec Lindsey, Phil Lawler etc... just did their job - they´re not supposed to be glamourous or get caught out of position. IMHO our two lads do a typical first class job expected of high level fullbacks. How glamourous are manure´s or Chelsea´s FB´s?

Although I agree with you Reg, Bosingwa, Ashley Cole and Patrick Evra fall in 'glamorous' category.

by **supersub** » Mon May 04, 2009 5:54 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
bavlondon wrote:A lot of rumors this weekend.

Rafa will sell Alonso to finance Barry.

Also today in the NOTW we could go for Downing and sell Riera.

Bav if you believe there's anything to either of those rumours I've got some swampland in the Canadian north to sell ya. Absolutely nonsense rumours that are simply laughable.

Well it was sourced from NOTW :laugh:

by **Owzat** » Thu May 07, 2009 3:49 pm

Sabre wrote:
loopyliverpool wrote:
lakes10 wrote:who i would sell

Lucas Leiva
Andrea Dossena
Andriy Voronin
Jermaine Pennant
Fabio Aurelio
Alvaro Arbeloa
Ryan Babel
plus 8 young players

Apart from Aurelio I totally agree with you Lakes. A lot of people seem to like Arbeloa I don't get that one at all... very average in my opinion. Babel would be a bit of a wrench but he just doesn't perform when given the chance so I would do the honourable thing and give the lad an opportunity at another club.

I'm somewhere in the middle of your position and Bad Bob's.

For me Arbeloa is an average-goodish player, who, in all fairness, has performed pretty well during his Liverpool career.

Meaning, I think he does deserve the praises he receives, but at the same time, I think there are plenty of players that have a similar level.

Bearing in mind that, let's remember that Arbeloa was really cheap, less than 1M. Let's consider that right now, even having been summoned by the Spanish Squad, his value must be very high, and I can see an Atletico Madrid offer of 6-7M perfectly.

And then there's that constant rumour that Arbeloa is a bit homesick.

So I agree Bob that even if you don't consider him your ideal starting eleven player, we'd still need him in the squad... but at the same time I think that if there's a good moment to sell Arbeloa, it's this summer. I don't think his price will go further in the rest of his career.

Isn't Pennant virtually out the door on a free?

As for the rest

Voronin would make a good back-up striker to have on the bench

Lucas has been an important squad member this season

Aurelio is a surprise inclusion as a choice to sell

Dossena might as well have gone with Keane in January

Arbeloa may not be that great, but I'd rather have him as back-up to a new RB - certainly rather him than Degen.

Babel can play wide left or right or up front, not that he is great at any of them. If someone bid a lot for him then I'd take it, but he's not an awful squad player.

We should trim the number of players on staff, not so sure the 1st team needs much trimming. I assume Itandje and Pennant are gone anyway, I wonder what will happen with Leto. Diego won't bring in big money, if he's happy to sit on the bench then anyone else coming in is hardly going to be 1st team material anyway so why not keep him? Degen and Dossena should go, make half Rafa's summer signings of 08/09 go already.

So how about getting rid of the players who don't play much, bar the back-up keeper Diego - Degen, Dossena, Plessis, Itandje, plus loaned out Voronin, Leto and Pennant (out of contract?) Wouldn't bring much money, but since we use others that lakes listed and don't use that lot, then we wouldn't need to replace them. Add a few reserves to the list, maybe with buy back clauses if Rafa is worried they might become great. If you sell lakes' list we'd need at least a cover LB, RB, CF, LM, and CM. That's some of the funds spent straight away if not all

As for the rumour re selling Alonso to fund Barry, that is just recycling the exact same rumour from last summer. Can't say people don't recycle. As for the NOTW rumour, well I can't say Downing is definitely better than Riera, but I can say he would definitely cost more than Riera.

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