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by **destro** » Fri May 01, 2009 7:42 am

Played with free chips on Texas Hold Em, went all in with 2 Aces and 3 Kings, lost to 3 Aces 2 Kings

cheating

!! put me off playing for real

by **bigmick** » Fri May 01, 2009 7:52 am

Effes wrote:Mick, Ive been playing poker for over 20 years

Yeah right then. Well erm, fair enough then mate just carry on as you are then :blush:

Is my cab here yet by the way? :sniffle

by **Judge** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:36 am

destro wrote:Played with free chips on Texas Hold Em, went all in with 2 Aces and 3 Kings, lost to 3 Aces 2 Kings cheating !! put me off playing for real

sounds a bit like lock stock and two smoking barrell mate

5 aces ?

by **burjennio** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:52 pm

Ive been playin since 2004 and have never had a losing year (both live and online). Sayin that I look back at the way I played 4-5 years ago and thank Christ that everyone else was even worse than me! The saying "A minute to learn but a lifetime to master" was coined specifically for poker and there is no substitute for experience. Im interested to know what sites you all play on? What are your aliases? There are sites that let you create your own table so maybe we should get a new-kit one organised sometime.

Just a few points from issues rasied earlier in the thread. Micks call with open-ender and bottom pair really decided on how many chips he's already invested to the pot, and the range of hands his opponent is likely to play. If this guy is tight and its a raised pot you an eliminate him having a straight right off the bat. You then have a choice between whether hes flopped a set has the over pair.Against a set you have odds of approx 28.5% of winning the hand by catchin your draw and the board not pairing and against an overpair your odds are about 48% to hit your 14 outer, again without your opponents hand improving. If his allin is giving you greater than even money (which im sure it is as you said the blinds were very high at this point) then, providing you've put this guy on the overpair after considering all the factors then its an automatic call. Even if you think the guy has a set it really depends on your odd/chips ratio.

If your really serious about improving your game their are a few books that will set you on your way. The obvious ones are Doyle Brunsons "Super System 1 & 2" but I would also recommend David Skalanskys "Fundamental Theorm of Poker" to get you up to speed on other games like Stud and Razz (where on average the players are weaker than at the NLHE tables) but it delves into pot odds, implied odds and Expected Value which are things you need to come to grips with before calling that gutshot on a suited board! Also Daniel Negreanus books really helped me turn my game around, especially in tournament poker, it delves into the small ball approach which involves playing lots of small pots in position and really opens up your range of starting hands. Saying that the one thing it doesnt mention in his book is that small ball poker is suicide at a crazy loose table so sticking to the Tight Aggressive ABC approach is the best way forward at the lower levels.

The other thing I noticed up there is that someone had posted a table taht said AQsuited was the 5th best starting hand in poker? Sorry but thats crazy talk, AQ will get you in more trouble hands than would believe, unless your at a table where players are gonna go to the river with a10. JJ and 1010 are far superior hands, though playing out of position with any marginal hand (ie single pairs that dont improve) can be tricky and always has the potential to stack you

If your interested in having poker as a hobby instead of just a gamble id advise you to look up Chris Fergusons Bankroll Mangement challenge (sorry Im in work and cant post the link) which showed that using sensible money control with good poker skills you can turn $0 into $10k in 18months (ive started 3 weeks with nothing but Full tilt point freerolls and satellites and have my bankroll up to $85!)

Lasly just for Emerald Red ONLINE POKER IS NOT FIXED! the monitering that goes on at this sites is crazy and thought there was a recent case at Ultimate bet where someone who had been working on the site had access to look at all players hole cards this has only served to further tighten the regualtions surrounding the online game. And as for more bad beats, I can tell you that Ive seen my worst beats live, one with a 4 of a kind downed by a straight flush, and a set of kk vs a set of aa on the flop only for the kings to turn quads on the river. ive also saw a guy lose with a K high straight flush. (he was holding the 9 of clubs and the other guy was holding the ace for a royal) but 4 of the cards were in the middle and when the guy reraised it was pretty obvious what he had. tho the straight flush called him, you know, just cause "he had as straight flush

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by **Effes** » Fri May 01, 2009 6:01 pm

Good post there John.

I may go out and buy a book on poker, and will check your list before you do.
I dont intend making this an ongoing habit though; before you know my bank balance mightn't look too healthy.

Ive found when Ive done well, it's been more to do with me folding certain hands instead of calling.
When you think about it, there may be 20 occasions in a session were you fold with a semi weak hand and it can
save your chips.

Mind you, I folded QQ yesterday when 2 people went all in (about 7000 chips each), my stack was about 8000.
It was on the last table (about 7 left) - one had AQ and the other JK, the cards came out and I would have won.
I didn't want to sacrifice my chips though, and I wasn't too gutted. I know why I did it and it could easily
have been beaten.

Great idea about getting a table on one of the sites John.

Im on Full Tilt Poker; but will join another site to get a table with people off here.

Anyone interested in this?

by **dawson99** » Fri May 01, 2009 6:04 pm

poker... i got some poker stories for later... love poker, been playing for about 5 - 6 years, usually cash games at mine, £100 buy in... or down gutshot when it was around... no online, thats boring

have some great stories for when im less busy :cool:

by **andy_g** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:57 pm

burjennio wrote:There are sites that let you create your own table so maybe we should get a new-kit one organised sometime.

now that is an idea i like. can't be bothered doing it myself, like, but if someone else did it i'd have a few hands.

by **fivecups** » Fri May 01, 2009 10:09 pm

If the time is right I'd have a pop although the wife is pretty down on me playing poker.

by **dawson99** » Fri May 01, 2009 10:14 pm

You can't do online poker, it has to be the real thing. You have to look into that persons eyes and bluff them out with the infamous 7-2 off.

Our gamesare usually pretty open, but one tiem, during the recent snowfall we had the snowpants rule. First person to go out had to stand in middle of street and fill pants with snow.
We started the game around 5am and by 730 am no one was out and people were starting to walk the streets, tightest game ever (i did not lose first lol)

Usually we have 6 of us, 100 each and we get 5k in chips so its like amini tournament. No rebuys but we might do a second game for less money, and we only do winner takes all... so making 500 is a nice way to end a night or morning.

by **Effes** » Sat May 02, 2009 10:47 am

andy_g wrote:
burjennio wrote:There are sites that let you create your own table so maybe we should get a new-kit one organised sometime.

now that is an idea i like. can't be bothered doing it myself, like, but if someone else did it i'd have a few hands.

Should we get the ball rolling on this?

Im a member of Full Tilt.

If you're interested, post what site you're a member of.
Whichever site has most members, the rest can join.

by **Effes** » Sat May 02, 2009 6:21 pm

It can be a cruel game.

In a $2 tournament with 245 entrants.

Get to the last 24, so Im getting my money back at least.

Blinds are now 500/1000 and Ive only got 9000 left.

I get pocket 2's so I go all in, another fella calls he's got QQ- about 20,00 in the middle.

Flop come out - 9 2 8
Turn - J

Im nearly celebrating, then the River comes out, it's a Q.

Cant believe it.

by **burjennio** » Sat May 02, 2009 11:57 pm

i play on full tilt too,. for those interested heres the link for the Chris Ferguson challenge. Show that with good bankroll management and steady poker skills you can make a sizable profit

Jesus $10k challenge

I started doing this myself and i got quite lucky early on, i used the full tilt points id accumulated over the last year to play satellites into a couple of tourneys and I placed in 1 giving me $21. sticking to the rules ive steadily increased it over the last fortnight, as far as $92 but since Weds Ive had my first downswing, and now Im sitting just under $70. I did myself no favours after the first fewbad beats becasue I am the worlds biggest tilter and when I go off I make Phil Helmuth look like mother Theresa. When people play garbage out of position on me (especially a rag ace!) and hit lucky on the flop I tend to go off on them, giving the chat box my full fury, this as you would expect throws my game to hell. Just to clarify, Im not one of these guys that goes on about bad beats and how this guy drew a one outer on the river because that happened to everyone, and Ive done it to others. My problem is people that keep getting lucky with trash hands, hands that I cant possibly put them on because I cant believe anyone would play such garbage in a certian situations. A recent example came on Weds night when I was dealt AA on the BB, only played 7-8 hands at this stage and there was an early position caller and a raise from the big blind. Since I like to play these hands aggressively I rerasie to 3 times the size of the rasier, which is to about 60cents (I know, megabucks) and both called. Now to me there is a very narrow range of hands that can call reraises, reasonable pairs, ak, and possibly aq from the button. The flop hits rag board, 2 5 9. I fire out a bet of $1.3 and the early position guy calls, making me think he probably has a wired pair, maybe 1010 and the button folds. The turn pairs a 5 on the board and the early position guy fires out a $1.5 which could not in any way helped his hand unless hes called a 3 bet with a small pair and hit his set. If so I'll take my lumps on this hand and accept hes got lucky so I push all in for another $2 and get instacalled by.......... 10 5 off suit. he called massive reraises and bets with total garbage from out of position and hit a minor miracle and in the chat box I get a gloating "hahahahahah" Lets just say I went into frekkin meltdown. I finished the night down about $10, having been hit with runer runner flushes twice as well as a guy catching JJJ on the turn ater I moved my chips in with KK on a rag flop.

Sorry the story goes on a bit and turned into a bit of a rant , I just hate it when people say "dont tap the fish tank" and dont let the bad players know they're bad players, because 15mins later the guy had left the table with every player taking a wack out of him but me. Its the most frustrating thing in the world. When my edge as being a better player is taking away but lady luck it makes me want to launch the laptop through the TV.

Heres the kicker (no pun intended). When I play more skilled players I excel, I enjoy playing against people that I can put on a range of hands and use creative betting patterns to always keep them guessing but when I have to sit at a table of call stations I crack because I know I have to wait until I have a strong hand to get paid, and some nights good hands are few and far between which makes it SO boring!

If anyone out there is a beginner or would like to get started in the game or are simply struggling to find an answer to a query the feel free to leave a question on here and Im sure someone will answer it or PM me and Il give you any information I can about onilne site bonuses, strategy and the like.

Finally, If you have any interest in what ive wriiten above about the $0-$10k challenge Im documenting my exploits here It may not be writing at the level of Shakespeare, Dickens or indeed the legend that was the Manhatten Project but hopefully I can keep it entertaining until i (WITH ANY LUCK) make it all the way.

by **NiftyNeil** » Sun May 03, 2009 5:47 am

I used to like playing at Leo's by the King's Dock. I was into internet poker at the time - only for fun, not money. Then they advertised that poker was coming to the casino (I was already a regular from being a blackjack nut). I couldn't wait to get stuck in proper. On the opening night, I got down to the last two tables and it had already gone 1am. The problem was, I was in work dead early and the games were getting dead cagey. I'd had nothing for ages, so I told myself I'd go all in with the next pair of playable cards. When they finally came, I went all in and crashed and burned. I wasn't bothered because I'd be back again, but that was the closest I ever got the the final table. After playing about 5 more tournaments, I noticed that it was always the same people getting down to the last few. I always had a good knowledge of the cards and the percentages but I could never really pick up on people "tells". I read a book by Amarillo Slim once, and he said that if you're sat at a table, look around and see if you can see a mug, if you can't, then it must be you. I sort of talked myself out of poker after that and stopped playing. I migrated back to the blackjack where I was having more success. Poker's still a fun game though.

by **burjennio** » Sun May 03, 2009 12:13 pm

NiftyNeil wrote:I used to like playing at Leo's by the King's Dock. I was into internet poker at the time - only for fun, not money. Then they advertised that poker was coming to the casino (I was already a regular from being a blackjack nut). I couldn't wait to get stuck in proper. On the opening night, I got down to the last two tables and it had already gone 1am. The problem was, I was in work dead early and the games were getting dead cagey. I'd had nothing for ages, so I told myself I'd go all in with the next pair of playable cards. When they finally came, I went all in and crashed and burned. I wasn't bothered because I'd be back again, but that was the closest I ever got the the final table. After playing about 5 more tournaments, I noticed that it was always the same people getting down to the last few. I always had a good knowledge of the cards and the percentages but I could never really pick up on people "tells". I read a book by Amarillo Slim once, and he said that if you're sat at a table, look around and see if you can see a mug, if you can't, then it must be you. I sort of talked myself out of poker after that and stopped playing. I migrated back to the blackjack where I was having more success. Poker's still a fun game though.

Live poker tells are in my opinion anyway a bit over hyped, I get more information from the way people bet at certian situations and how passive or active they get on a certian type of flop, but here is a link to all the live tells you'll ever need, from the mad genius Mike Caro ,this is simply a video version of his famous book Caros book of Poker Tells (as seen in the movie rounders!)

Caros Poker Tells

The easiest poker tell to pick up on is when an opponent starts acting differently when the've got a big hand. There are two main ones, the first is when a mouth piece suddenly goes quiet , and the second is when a guy whos played about 2 hands all night starts betting and raising. For a tell on a bluff well there are just some peple who are terrible liars and it'll be written all over their face ( they'll look like they are about to throw up) Another one is when a reasonably tight player makes a raise on you and gets talkative, if he's trying to TELL YOU how strong his hand is then it probably isnt, however some more experienced players will reverse this just to keep you guessing, nobody said it was easy! If it was we'd all be millionaires and id be boffing Evevyn Ng!

by **Effes** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:45 am

Ive had some bad beats lately its unreal. All in and then beat on the last card.

I sometimes wonder whether the website chucks in these to make it more exciting.

No matter how well you play your hands, you can get done by a 12/1 last card.

Last game I played I had AK. Blinds were 150/300.

So I went in 600, 2 others called.

Flop A, Q, 9

I go all in, one other fella calls. He's got K, 10.

Turn: 6
River : J

So he does me with a run.

Only a J would have won it for him, and he gets it.

Might give this feckin game a rest. :angry:

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