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by **tubby** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:37 am

Tevez has said this morning he sees himself leaving. Unfortunatley it looks like he will go to Spain.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport....TO=1490

PS Masch is also saying he will consider his future at the end of the season. He also said if utd dont want Tevez he could try and bring him to Liverpool. I think that was a bit tongue in cheek but still.

by **Owzat** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:47 am

The mancs are reportedly after Benzema (again!) to replace Tevez, and rumours mention £30m, even though past links with Benzema have gone into silly figures like Ronaldo rumours do.

I've said before that I am convinced the papers have recycle folders where they put old stories that came to nothing, but were popular so they can use them again. I've seen so many in the past few weeks that were doing the rounds last week, last summer and in January - Adebayor on his way out, Alonso on his way out/to Juventus, Ronaldo on his way out, Tevez is leaving, Benzema to old trafford, Santa Cruz to such and such a club, Citeh interested in David Villa etc etc etc - I even saw that Zarate bloke's name re-emerge, the one that was at brum last season (?)

by **tubby** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:51 am

But isnt the Tevez and Xabi rumors backed up by quotes made the last day/few days?

Your probably right though. Season is coming to an end so they need to start the transfer nonsense.

by **tubby** » Fri May 01, 2009 11:34 am

Carlos Tevez: Why signing him would be a huge mistake for Liverpool

Speculation is mounting that Rafael Benitez wants to sign Carlos Tevez from Manchester United. Whilst the Argentinean is a very good player, where exactly would he fit into the team?

I really don’t get the logic in signing Tevez – he is ostensibly a second striker, but that position is well and truly taken at Liverpool by Steven Gerrard. And as good as Tevez is, there is no way he is going to displace Gerrard.

In any event, we have Yossi Benayoun to play Gerrard’s position if the need arises, and the Israeli has proved beyond a shadow of a doubt this season that he can and will step up and take responsibility in Gerrard’s absence.

The same goes for Fernando Torres – Tevez will not displace him and he would be too expensive a player just to be used as a back-up striker.

And as we saw with the Robbie Keane fiasco, changing the team to 442 just to accommodate another striker is a non-starter as it just doesn’t work.

If Tevez doesn’t play up front, that means the only other options are on the wings, but that would mean playing him out of position when we should be trying to sign *specialist* wide players, not putting square pegs in round holes.

Tevez has already made it quite clear that he is sick of sitting on the bench so why would he swap the Old Trafford bench for the Anfield bench, which is inevitably where he would spend a lot of his time?

Admittedly, as a means of irritating Sir Alex Ferguson, signing Carlos Tevez would be a masterstroke par excellence (!), but we shouldn't just be signing players to get one over on Man United.

I think it is clear that the 4231 formation is the only formation that has *consistently* worked under Benitez, so that must not be changed for anything or anyone.

Furthermore, Gerrard and Torres *must* play in their proper positions in as many games as possible and that surely is non-negotiable.

As such, Liverpool should (in my view) only be focusing on buying players for the following positions:

Left midfield/wing
Right midfield/wing
Right back
Back-up striker (Around the £10m price range)

The club needs to find the best specialist right/left midfielders money can buy (within budget) - players with experience who know those positions inside out.

No more money can be wasted on players who will not fit into the system – that means not buying players just because they’re good (i.e. Tevez ) and buying players who will seamlessly slot into the formation.

Albert Riera is an example of the type of player I’m talking about; dedicated left winger who slotted into the team easily. If the club can find players a couple of notches above him in quality to fill out the relevant positions, I really believe the title is up for grabs next season.

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2009....be.html

by **DrPepe** » Fri May 01, 2009 12:03 pm

bavlondon wrote:And as we saw with the Robbie Keane fiasco, changing the team to 442 just to accommodate another striker is a non-starter as it just doesn’t work.

don't agree with that statement

keane wasn't good enough and/or wasn't prepared to do what he was told (without letting it affect his attitood)

If the player has the quality and mentality then there's no reason why they can't play with torres...

Put it this way, if we'd have had the choice of keane or tevez for 24m? this summer i'd have gone for tevez every time

at the reported 30m+ this summer... i'm not so sure, it's a lot of spondoolies

by **heimdall** » Fri May 01, 2009 12:42 pm

DrPepe wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And as we saw with the Robbie Keane fiasco, changing the team to 442 just to accommodate another striker is a non-starter as it just doesn’t work.

don't agree with that statement

keane wasn't good enough and/or wasn't prepared to do what he was told (without letting it affect his attitood)

If the player has the quality and mentality then there's no reason why they can't play with torres...

Put it this way, if we'd have had the choice of keane or tevez for 24m? this summer i'd have gone for tevez every time

at the reported 30m+ this summer... i'm not so sure, it's a lot of spondoolies

How many games did Torres and Keane actually play together though, surely not enough to actually prove that it was unworkable. I think 4-4-2 is probably a fairly tried and tested formation and if we do get Tevez we could try that formation a few times maybe.

BTW I'M BACK!!! :buttrock

by **Emerald Red** » Fri May 01, 2009 12:56 pm

heimdall wrote:
DrPepe wrote:
bavlondon wrote:And as we saw with the Robbie Keane fiasco, changing the team to 442 just to accommodate another striker is a non-starter as it just doesn’t work.

don't agree with that statement

keane wasn't good enough and/or wasn't prepared to do what he was told (without letting it affect his attitood)

If the player has the quality and mentality then there's no reason why they can't play with torres...

Put it this way, if we'd have had the choice of keane or tevez for 24m? this summer i'd have gone for tevez every time

at the reported 30m+ this summer... i'm not so sure, it's a lot of spondoolies

How many games did Torres and Keane actually play together though, surely not enough to actually prove that it was unworkable. I think 4-4-2 is probably a fairly tried and tested formation and if we do get Tevez we could try that formation a few times maybe.

BTW I'M BACK!!!

Welcome back, and a decent return post.

But for my two pennies worth, I can't see why the debate on Tevez has gone on for as many pages as it has already. Once I heard the rumour, I scoffed at the idea. He's a decent enough player, but I think I'll kick some dirt in people's eyes here by stating that we already have a player in our ranks that can do Tevez' job and then some. Can you guess who? Yes, he's a poor man's Dirk Kuyt. Yes, you read that right. I said that.

For his asking price (no doubt a mercenary little sh*t that he is and his owners) I wouldn't have him anywhere near us and it would be a massive mistake even trying to go near him and I'm sure we won't and you can quote me on that. Wrong type of player that we need. We need better fullbacks and a winger that can player either side, and then possibly a second striker for back up to Torres, not necessarily to play up with him.

by **loopyliverpool** » Sun May 03, 2009 10:54 am

I think Tevez is a good player but I don't think he is worth £30m of anybody's money least of all ours! If we are on a downturn and that and we bought Torres at the peak of the boom for £26m then Tevez is going to be worth £18-£20m max in my honest opinion. Even at that Im not sure we necessarily need him.

by **Rush Job** » Sun May 03, 2009 11:50 pm

Well just to go against the grain, I`d love Teves behind Torres and SG beside Xabi or Masch, playing his natural all action game. We`d still get 10+ goals a season out of him coming from a deaper possition and I think Teves has that extra bit of guile in that possition behind Torres.
There is no doudt in my mind, on paper atleast we`d be a stronger side.

by **Reg** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:18 am

What an additional headache he would cause defenses as well, they wouldnt know how to mark so many dangerous and probing players....

by **Madmax** » Mon May 04, 2009 12:44 am

What about playing him on the left mid.. Would he do well .. His versatile so where he plays he usually performs.. Not sure about the left but what do you guys think

by **NiftyNeil** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:00 am

I don't understand this fascination with wanting to find a partner for Torres. Gerrard is at his most lethal when playing just behind Torres, why would anyone want to change that?

by **SundanceKid** » Mon May 04, 2009 1:23 am

NiftyNeil wrote:I don't understand this fascination with wanting to find a partner for Torres. Gerrard is at his most lethal when playing just behind Torres, why would anyone want to change that?

Cause we're not gonna win league.

by **kazza** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:36 am

CARLOS TEVEZ today issues a come-and-get-me plea to Manchester United's Premier League rivals by insisting: My Old Trafford career is over.

The on-loan striker is angry at being left on the bench for long periods and claims United boss Sir Alex Ferguson hasn't tried to sign him permanently.

Click here to read the full explosive interview with Carlos Tevez

Tevez's shock bombshell will alert Manchester City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Everton and Aston Villa - while Iranian businessman Kia Joorabchian's company, which owns the player, has also received a £45million offer from a foreign club.

In an exclusive interview, Tevez, 25, declares: "I am very sad about this but I guess what I'm saying is goodbye.

"I don't think I will be a Manchester United player next season. I have done everything I possibly can but they have never made me an offer so I have to leave. I think I will be at another club next season."

But the Argentinian insists he wants to stay here. He said: "I want to play in England because it is the best league in the world and it suits my style."

by **kazza** » Sun May 10, 2009 10:43 am

AS his Manchester United team-mates danced with joy across the Emirates turf, Carlos Tevez celebrated alongside them.

But behind the smiles was anguish. Because joy for a return to the Champions League final was tempered by a sadness that this was one of the last moments of real pleasure he would share with his United brothers.

It had been coming for months. Frustrated and disappointed at the way he has been treated, Tevez now knows he has to quit.

And in a remarkable Sport of the World interview, the Argentinian pulls no punches, laying bare the facts about his two-year United tenure. His revelations will stun Old Trafford on the morning of today's Manchester derby and with United still chasing an unprecedented quadruple.

Sir Alex Ferguson last week claimed he thinks of his players as part of his own family. But Tevez feels like an outsider. Twice South American Player of the Year, a national hero in Argentina, reduced to a bit-part, an afterthought.

"Me? I have not been treated as a member of the family," he said. "I do not feel wanted. I feel bad over my situation, I do, but it's very, very difficult to stay any longer. I guess what I'm saying is goodbye.

"I don't think I will be a Manchester United player next season. I have done everything I possibly can but they have never made me an offer or given me a contract so I have to leave. I don't think I deserve to be in this position but you realise if your time is up you have to go.

Realistically, my time is over and I think I will be at another club next season. It's very, very difficult to stay any longer, so I have to finish this season the best I can and move on.

"I still have the same hunger and I will give my all to win the last two trophies we are chasing so I can move on knowing I have done everything for the team.

"The fans treat me like family, but United have not signed me so they do not respect me as a footballer.

"It makes me feel good when Wayne Rooney and Michael Carrick talk well about me but they are not the manager.I train very hard, play well and then I'm dumped. When I play I feel good, then when I don't I am upset.

"Things have changed dramatically this season. I was dropped - yet I didn't perform badly. Sir Alex never gave me an explanation but I never asked him for one because it is not in my character.

Tevez has become frustrated this season at his lack of appearances. Despite being involved in more games than Rooney or Dimitar Berbatov, he has either started or finished on the bench an astonishing 27 times. He has been an unused substitute on 10 further occasions.

He has also been substituted 12 times in all competitions and has played the full 90 minutes in just 20 games, five of them in the Carling Cup.

He added: "I scored four goals against Blackburn in the Carling Cup but then got dropped for the next game.

"I came on and scored against Porto in the Champions League quarter-final but was dropped for the away leg. I scored two against Fulham and was dropped for the next game.

"Whether I come on and play well or whether I come on the pitch and play just OK, I know I am going to get dropped.It has a negative impact - your mentality is affected and you get demoralised."

Ferguson has had to juggle Rooney, Cristiano Ronaldo, Berbatov and Tevez into just three forward places.

Tevez feels he has been the one who has missed out most. But he refused to be drawn into a slanging match over the £31.75million summer signing of Bulgarian striker Berbatov from Spurs. "It's not about Berbatov," he said. "People keep comparing me to Berbatov but it's not Berbatov's fault. It's just the way I've been treated I'm upset about.

"I played last season and was the second top scorer. We won the Champions League and the Premier League. I helped to achieve that success and then I was dumped for no real reason."

Tevez finished top scorer for his clubs in Argentina and Brazil, for his country at the Olympics and second for United behind Ronaldo last season.

He has still scored 13 goals this term, but explained: "I've started every game in the Carling Cup and some in the FA Cup but only a few in the League

"I'm disappointed not to get more games but it's been the choice of the coach.

"If I run my a*** off, if I score or don't score, I know that after 60 minutes I'm going to be taken off. If I don't start I know I am only going to get 15 or 20 minutes.

"I enjoyed playing with Rooney, Ronaldo and Berbatov. They are all excellent players.

"But this season I can only recall playing with Rooney up top about five times. It's not been like last year, when we played that formation a lot."

Tevez has been a fans' favourite since joining United on a two-year loan deal two years ago.

He hoped Ferguson would agree a deal with Kia Joorabchian to sign him permanently. But discussions have never taken place.

Tevez insisted: "When I played regularly last season I scored. I did everything I could but there was never any attempt to sign me permanently. United did not take up the option at the end of the first year and up until now I've never had any discussions about my contract.

"If ever there was a time to sign me it was at the end of last year but there was no effort to sign me.

"United have never offered me any contract. So I guess I have to finish the season the best I can and move on. The fans have been great with me, I love them. And every time I put the shirt on I fight for the club. I have done everything I possibly can at United but circumstances are forcing me to leave.

"I also want to make it very clear that it's not about money. I have read stories claiming I've asked for £6m, £9m and £12m. But I have never asked Sir Alex or David Gill for money.

"When I sign for another club if anyone says 'It was impossible for Carlos to sign for Man United because he was asking for £8m' it is not true."

Tevez also set the record straight about his family. He said: "It's not true my family are unhappy in England. It's not true I want to leave England for Spain. My four-year-old daughter Florencia is learning English and my wife is very happy living in England.

"We want to stay. I want to play in England because it is the best League in the world and it suits my style.

"Any club I join, whether it be Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool or Everton, will be a rival of Manchester United. I would like to thank the United fans for their support. They will always have a special place in my heart.

"If I was a United fan I wouldn't want to see their player in any other shirt but I think they will accept I've done everything I can."

Tevez's economic rights are owned by a group of investors headed by Joorabchian, who said: "There are a lot of Premier League clubs interested in Carlos but it would be unprofessional to start talking to them before the season has ended.

"There are also foreign clubs interested in him but since Carlos' preference is to stay here then that is the first place we have to look.

"We received a formal offer in January from a foreign club for a figure in excess of £40m, although out of respect for United we have not spoken to them yet.

"Carlos' final destination will be made solely on what's best for Carlos and his family."

For Tevez, the realisation that he has to walk out on United is painful. He concluded sadly: "I've given everything for United. I can leave with my head held high."

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