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by **Bad Bob** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:47 am

RedBlood wrote:TOMAS ROSICKY
RICARDO QUARESMA
DANIEL STURRIDGE
CARLOS TEVEZ
AMR ZAKI
FABIO CANNAVARO

THESE PLAYERS WOULD ALL BE WORTH A LOOK IMO IF WE CAN GET THEM FOR NOTHING

Has Qaresma even kicked a ball for Chelsea since January? It seems like Hiddink has dropped both him and Deco down a dark hole.

by **bigmick** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:54 am

Both good players Bob, but both unsuited to English football.

by **JoeTerp** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:03 am

bigmick wrote:Both good players Bob, but both unsuited to English football.

that may be a bit over-generalized but I am sure that is how it will be remembered because at their ages I cannot see them wanting to stick around and "learn and adapt" their game any more when they could easily just go back to spain or portugal and fit right in again without thinking.

But both players have a lot of quality, more than most players in the prem, and I am pretty sure if they would have come over earlier or under different circumstances it might have been different.

Hiddink is only here for a few months so he has no business in playing someone like Deco or Quaresma when he has other available players that are already more adept to teh English game

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 3:15 am

bigmick wrote:Both good players Bob, but both unsuited to English football.

Worryingly for Qaresma, mate, he also seems unsuited for Italian football and Spanish football. Mourinho got shut of him sharpish and, if I'm thinking of the right guy, his time at Barca didn't quite work out either. Based on that track record, I'm glad he never ended up with us like some people were hoping for.

Speaking of skilled but under-achieving Portuguese flair players, what's your read on Nani these days Mick? I know you thought he would turn out to be a good little player when he first came over but he hasn't really kicked on has he? You can count me relieved on that score--the last thing we needed was United with Ronaldo Mark II.

by **Keris** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:05 am

SupitsJonF wrote:Juve want Alonso again

And we will deny them again. :buttrock

by **bigmick** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:15 am

Well he's got it Bob because I've seen it a few times, it's just a question of whether or not he can produce it on a regular enough basis. We won't really know until after Ronaldo fecks off to Madrid in the Summer I shouldn't think. My guess is that any Mancs expecting Ronaldo mark II are going to be very disappointed, although I guess that would be the case anyway unless they signed Gerrard, Messi, Kaka or Torres, and even then it'd be hard to match Ronaldo's goal tally.

Nani in the way he goes about things, poncing about, showboating, too often wasting posession and fecking about actually reminds me very much of Ronaldo when he first arrived in England. In one of my more extreme anti Rafa periods I once mischieveously asked whether if Rafa had had Ronaldo we would ever have seen him flourish, and although it unsurpisingly provoked the kind of responses it probably deserved it was kind of a semi bluff in some respects. He has two good feet, a bag of tricks but alas no brain to speak of and it'll take all Man Utd's patience if they want to see the good player which is if not exactly itching to get out, is kind of casually feeling for the exit door.

Probably more because I'm getting stubborn in my old age I'm sticking with my original call Bob that he'll make a player. I'm not quite ready as of yet to go all Robert Earnshaw on him.

by **Sabre** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 7:49 am

JoeTerp wrote:
bigmick wrote:Both good players Bob, but both unsuited to English football.

that may be a bit over-generalized but I am sure that is how it will be remembered because at their ages I cannot see them wanting to stick around and "learn and adapt" their game any more when they could easily just go back to spain or portugal and fit right in again without thinking.

That's almost spot on, but when you write thinking, I'd write running.

Sometimes there are players that are too old dogs to adapt that's true, but there are some quality players that want to play walking (1).

Nanny: Santi Cazorla and almost any player would fancy a move here. Santi Cazorla is a player I like, but I have my doubts too about him. Meaning, what we need is so much quality, that I'm worried about if Santi is what we need, despite I think he's a quality player. I'd have to watch 5 or 6 games here in the league to know if he's going to be a definite purchase because I struggle to foresee how he'd adapt his football here.

(1) I call it the Iberian-American syndrome, sindrome Iberoamericano: Allergy to track back, allergy to run, allergy to unmark. Players full of quality but allergy to work. It's a syndrome extended through Portugal, Spain, Brazil, and most of the IberoAmerican countries. Clear examples of these for me are Deco, Riquelme.

by **bunglemark2** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:17 am

Sabre wrote:(1) I call it the Iberian-American syndrome, sindrome Iberoamericano:

In English, Sabre, there's a widely accepted definition of such players - they're called "lazy phuckers" !! :eyebrow

by **tubby** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:17 am

Kharhaz wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:
tonyeh wrote:
bavlondon wrote:I remember reading in 'A Season on the Brink' that according to Rafa, Cisse lacked basic footballing knowledge on some things and he was quite shocked. Im not an expert on football in a technical sense but I seriously doubt Rafa would even entertain bringing him back. He would probably sooner buy Robbie Keane back from Spurs.

Exactly. The guy's a twat. Spends more time on his feckin hair, than on the game.

Waste of space.

There's no way in a million years I'd have that fool back.

Agreed

Likes to give the opposite sex a dig an all , His mrs being one of them

Disagree. Totally.

I remember reading in 'A Season on the Brink' that according to Rafa, Cisse lacked basic footballing knowledge on some things and he was quite shocked.

Easy one this, name players in rafas squad who match that description.

Cisse suffered from 2 horrendous injuries. When he was fit he was played out of position and sparingly. People laugh at the goals he scored in the super cup but that was an occasion he was played in his natural position. And the facts are, he scored. Between injuries and rafas chosen role for him in the squad, he didnt have much of chance did he?

No im sure Cisse was specifically mentioned in that book in terms of that description mate.

by **Owzat** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:56 am

Keris wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:Juve want Alonso again

And we will deny them again.

And we're rumoured to be interested in Cana of Marseille, an Albanian if I'm not mistaken. Link being tied to the possible sale of Alonso to Juve, not that I'd want us to sell him unless someone offered £25m or more. (and maybe not even then)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorik_Cana

by **Boocity** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:00 am

only me wrote:
GYBS wrote:
only me wrote:
stmichael wrote:
only me wrote:And if we really need the money release Mash - at the risk of being ripped to pieces, over rated in my opinion - from an Argentinian i don't need passion and heart i need quality with the ball.

Great. I'll pass that onto Rafa next time I see him. I'm sure he'll call you and you can discuss the issue one to one.

Actuellly what we really need is another man next to Rafa which focus on scouting and players picking - Rafa is a total mess in this department - so you can ask Rafa to get some help, next time you meet him.

Really ? how do you come to that conclusion then ?

Simple his track record is poor - if we take Torres out of the picture as he was already a world wide prooven striker - what else do you have? Keane ,Babel ,Dossena ,Dagen ,Aurellio ,Arbeloa...His new "prospects" Lucas ,El-Zaher ,Ngong - do you believe they have the potential for being leading premiership players? What about the players he released? Veronin and Crouch were more then ok and delivered on a constant level yet he kicked them out...

You just don't see the talents which you find in Arsenal and Manu - those young players which a good scouting system can find and sign.

What's so great about Manures youth/squad, IMO I think they have got to be seriously concerned, next season they will lose Ronaldo & Tevez, VDS is over the hill, Rio is injury prone, Giggs and Scoles are past it. I think the rest of their midfield is sh1t, Nani, Anderson, Fletcher.

by **tubby** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:02 am

We dont know for sure if Ronaldo and Tevez will leave. But deffo with rubberlips constantly injured and Giggs, Scholes and inbred 1 all getting quite old.

by **Boocity** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:08 am

bavlondon wrote:We dont know for sure if Ronaldo and Tevez will leave. But deffo with rubberlips constantly injured and Giggs, Scholes and inbred 1 all getting quite old.

Ok, T & R may not leave but if RM come in for Ronaldo this time I think he will go, also with the credit crunch the Glazers may well cash in. Never even considered inbred, is he still alive

by **Owzat** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:46 am

Boocity wrote:What's so great about Manures youth/squad, IMO I think they have got to be seriously concerned, next season they will lose Ronaldo & Tevez, VDS is over the hill, Rio is injury prone, Giggs and Scoles are past it. I think the rest of their midfield is sh1t, Nani, Anderson, Fletcher.

The mancs have a worrying number of good young players, but that aside you haven't put anything to dispute the claim that Rafa's track record is poor.

Man Utd's future

17 Macheda - scored two goals in his first two senior apps
17 Ljajic
18 Rafael - looked useful when played
18 Fabio - looked useful when played
18 Welbeck - around the 1st team squad
20 Possebon
21 Evans - capable fill-in CB for Vidic/Ferdinand
21 Campbell - loaned to Tottenham
21 Anderson - fairly regular 1st teamer
22 Tosic
22 Nani - fairly regular 1st teamer

Rooney is only 23, Ronaldo 24. Compare that to our younger players

Liverpool's future

18 Pacheco - looked good pre-season, not near the 1st team
19 Kelly - odd 1st team appearance
20 Spearing - odd 1st team appearance
20 Darby - odd 1st team appearance
20 Lindfield - constantly loaned to lower league clubs
20 Anderson - not close to 1st team, another loaner
20 Nemeth - not really in 1st team picture (but see Rafa comments)
20 Insua - about the pick, around the 1st team
20 Hobbs - reportedly possibly on his way out
20 N'Gog - never looks entirely convincing
21 Hammill - not near 1st team
21 Plessis - gets the odd game a season
22 Lucas - not entirely convincing, but decent player
22 El Zhar - mostly 1st team sub, not great
22 Babel - much maligned on here, expensive
22 Leto - looked pants when he's played (not a lot granted) Not given a work permit so few chances to see if he is better than what we've seen

Most of the young manc players not around their 1st team squad are probably not because they haven't enough room! Some on here may regard our young players as great, but I think most neutrals and a fair few Liverpool fans will concede the mancs have some great young players. We've got plenty, we should have given our squad is so big, but there aren't that many establishing themselves in the 1st team squad. I don't doubt Rafa will sell a lot of them off for a few hundred thou each and bring in more foreign kids. The mancs have players knocking on the door for 1st team action, our's are mostly loaned out to lower league clubs and disappear off the radar.

Fair does they pay a fair bit for some of their's, but surely the game is about getting the best kids not the cheapest? Time is not really on the side of those LFC players.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N164206090430-0712.htm

Rafael Benitez believes promising youngsters Krisztian Nemeth and Lauri Dalle Valle can look forward to a bright future with the club.

Finnish striker Dalle Valle has hit 19 goals this season to help the Academy under-18s reach the final of the FA Youth Cup, while Hungarian hot-shot Nemeth netted the winner in the Liverpool Senior Cup final for the reserves on Monday night.

After impressing in pre-season it has been a frustrating campaign for Nemeth who has been hit by a series of injuries, but Benitez admits he has a lot to offer.

"I think Krisztian is someone that can score goals," Benitez told Liverpoolfc.tv.

"The most difficult thing in football is scoring goals so we are really pleased with him. Hopefully he will be fit in the future and if he has no more problems then he is a player that we need to keep an eye on because he has a great future."

Dalle Valle has caught the eye for his uncanny knack of being in the right place at the right time this season and the boss has also been impressed.

"I don't like to talk too much about just one player when the team is doing well, but clearly he is a striker that has scored a lot of goals," said Rafa.

"He also has a future here.

"It was important for the young lads to reach the FA Youth Cup final and they now have an opportunity to win a trophy.

"Always the main target for the Academy is to produce players, but if they can win a trophy that would be a very good experience for them."

On the subject of goals, Liverpool are the Barclays Premier League's leading scorers this season with 66 strikes hitting the back of the opponents net.

The manager claims it shows that the team has an attacking mentality.

"Sometimes people criticise us and say we are a defensive team but clearly we are a team that is always attacking," he said.

"When we are 1-0 up we always look for the other goal and the number of goals we have scored shows that we are an offensive team that also normally defends really well."

Meanwhile, Benitez has also spoken of his admiration for Dirk Kuyt after the Dutchman scored twice during Saturday's 3-1 win at Hull City, in what was his 100th top-flight start for the club.

"I'm really pleased for all of the players when they play 100 games, but especially for Kuyt, because he is so good a professional that everybody has to be pleased when a player like him performs at that level every single week.

"He always scores important goals and is someone you can trust 100 per cent."

A lot of talk, has either made the bench despite our lack of striking options though? (actions speak louder than words)

by **tubby** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:52 am

I thought Nemeth was meant to but then had that cheekbone injury.

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