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by **taff** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:24 pm

We are better than Arsenal and a lot of Arsenal fans see it that way. Yes we can all go on about the money etc but as it stands the main threat to Man Utd are us.

Why cant we just say well done to Rafa and stop comparing teams. The way he has pulled it around is IMO great management and at last we are seeing what a LFC team under him could be capable of. Benitez has never once had a go at Wenger he has however mentioned squad size and money as the catalysts for league success in this league. What has Wenger done with his spending in the league since Benitez took over. We have won the CL and the FA cup and are now in a better position.

Good luck to Arsenal in the CL i mean that sincerely, lots of Arsenal fans ironically have a higher opinion of Benitez than many of our lot have

To answer the post, I hope its lessons learned from this season and I have huge faith and optimism for the future. I wish it had taken less time but thats what its like sometimes. Keep the faith

by **redbeergoggles** » Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:01 pm

taff wrote:We are better than Arsenal and a lot of Arsenal fans see it that way. Yes we can all go on about the money etc but as it stands the main threat to Man Utd are us.

Why cant we just say well done to Rafa and stop comparing teams. The way he has pulled it around is IMO great management and at last we are seeing what a LFC team under him could be capable of. Benitez has never once had a go at Wenger he has however mentioned squad size and money as the catalysts for league success in this league. What has Wenger done with his spending in the league since Benitez took over. We have won the CL and the FA cup and are now in a better position.

Good luck to Arsenal in the CL i mean that sincerely, lots of Arsenal fans ironically have a higher opinion of Benitez than many of our lot have

To answer the post, I hope its lessons learned from this season and I have huge faith and optimism for the future. I wish it had taken less time but thats what its like sometimes. Keep the faith

Well said Taff .... Chelsea and Arsenal's position as closest challenges to the Mancs has finally been usurped by the Reds ,while Wenger and co have watched the grass grow around their comfortable feet ....

by **taff** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:43 pm

Thank you beergoggles

We wanted drama and a challenge and we have got it, so we have to take the rough with the smooth. Not since 1990 have I felt so invigorated by the reds, bring back Ronny Rosenthal

by **stmichael** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:55 pm

bavlondon wrote:Wenger has bought really well. I wish Rafa could find these sorts of young players for low prices too.

What you mean to say is he's poached a load of young players because on the continent clubs can't tie kids down to professional contracts until they turn 18?

The latest example of this is Macheda at United whereby Lazio wanted to keep him but had no choice in the matter.

It's not the fault of the buying clubs but the rules are a complete joke imo.

by **tubby** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:09 pm

I know but we should be poaching these players too. It's not the others are not. Just becasue the original clubs are powerless to stop them moving doesn't make it a bad piece of business.

by **GYBS** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:11 pm

bavlondon wrote:I know but we should be poaching these players too. It's not the others are not. Just becasue the original clubs are powerless to stop them moving doesn't make it a bad piece of business.

we havent poached them mate - players like pacheco bruna and san jose were all poached.

by **bunglemark2** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:19 pm

What difference does it make, poaching or not poaching these players, whether it's "not illegal nor unethical" to nab a 17 year old with the promise of playing for one of the most illustrious names in world football.....if none of them a) are going to make it, b) are going to be given the chance to make it, or c) have so much smoke blown up their collective swisses, that the burden of expectation becomes so much that their underdeveloped, nay immature, minds are incapable of handling it ?
Can you picture Rafa doing a Wenger on our team in the Carling Cup - anybdy remember a thrashing by kids they gave us last year ? THAT'S how Wenger bloods the kids.....we on the other hand, seem to have a plethora of kids playing meaningless Reserve matches and the kids are going nowhere at the club, save one or two token appearances from the likes of Spearing and Plessis...

by **stmichael** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:24 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:Can you picture Rafa doing a Wenger on our team in the Carling Cup - anybdy remember a thrashing by kids they gave us last year ?

Arsenal team for that game:

Almunia, Hoyte, Toure, Djourou, Traore, Walcott (Diaby 74), Fabregas, Song, Denilson, Julio Baptista, Aliadiere.

Half of those were already in the first team squad. They were hardly "kids".

by **GYBS** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:27 pm

for all arsenals kids he hasnt actually won anything with them thou .

by **DrPepe** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:27 pm

stmichael wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:Can you picture Rafa doing a Wenger on our team in the Carling Cup - anybdy remember a thrashing by kids they gave us last year ?

Arsenal team for that game:

Almunia, Hoyte, Toure, Djourou, Traore, Walcott (Diaby 74), Fabregas, Song, Denilson, Julio Baptista, Aliadiere.

Half of those were already in the first team squad. They were hardly "kids".

i was just to post the same

I take the "arsenal kids" headlines with a big pinch of salt

by **bunglemark2** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:34 pm

stmichael wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:Can you picture Rafa doing a Wenger on our team in the Carling Cup - anybdy remember a thrashing by kids they gave us last year ?

Arsenal team for that game:

Almunia, Hoyte, Toure, Djourou, Traore, Walcott (Diaby 74), Fabregas, Song, Denilson, Julio Baptista, Aliadiere.

Half of those were already in the first team squad. They were hardly "kids".

Mate, I wasn't suggesting he replaced the entire regular first team with his Reserves equivalent. My point was, can you see Rafa and Ablett conspiring to fill even half a team with Spearing, Kelly, Pacheco, Nemeth, Plessis

Nah, didn't think so....

by **taff** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:37 pm

Why dont we offer Wenger the job as youth development then

by **bunglemark2** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:41 pm

Don't be silly there, mate.....
I don't think the current process of bringing players through - or not! - from the Reserves to the first team is working. Why are we not trying to accelerate the development of these guys ? Admittedly, from now on and for the foreseeable future, I think transfer fees will be hit by a good dose of reality, and hopefully there'll be less and less in the way of "20M for a guy who played 10 mins in a Carling Cup game for Stoke City".....but is it not more sensible to promote from within, assuming the lads have the potential to make it ? Are we not and have we not, invested substantial amounts in them already ?

by **GYBS** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:45 pm

investing in youth and young kids is a waiting game - you have to wait until they are ready to be plunged into first team action even in cc . players like plessis and darby and spearing and kelly have had a little bit insua has had a bit more and i reckon nemeth would of got more baring injury . players like darby and speaing have just got new contracts and i expect we will see mroe of the others dirung pre season

by **taff** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 2:52 pm

Is it pacheco, the one who is being talked of as being an excellent link player in the Bergkamp mold

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