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by **GYBS** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:11 am

I dont want barry and if we sell lucas ( which i dont think will happen) then you need a farily decent midfielder who is happy to be back up to xabi and masher while also being young enough to develop - for me we have two of those players in spearing and lucas already so dont want to waste any money on barry .

by **DrPepe** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:22 am

GYBS wrote:I dont want barry and if we sell lucas ( which i dont think will happen) then you need a farily decent midfielder who is happy to be back up to xabi and masher while also being young enough to develop - for me we have two of those players in spearing and lucas already so dont want to waste any money on barry .

i'm not a lucas basher, and think he's a half decent cover.

But to me its obvious that Barry is an upgrade, and can also cover/replace either of the left wing positions

We need to push on in the league now, not develop a team for 2 or 3 seasons... we've been doing that for 5 years

by **GYBS** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:26 am

yeah but spending 10 mil on someone just to provide cover when our budget isnt that great ? and wouldnt want barry anywhere near the wing positions . if we can go do a straight swap and he is happy to have splinters on his :censored:

and not spend anymore than we would get for lucas then the move would be ok .

by **tubby** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:30 am

ruskiy playmaker wrote:We need a tall, and powerful striker to use against the negative teams. Saviola is the complete opposite of those things, the guy would be very ineffective in our league.

Spot on. I suggested we should try for a more target man type player like Gomez, Pogbrebnyak or Llorente.

by **tubby** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:38 am

A lot of players this morning suggesting Juve will try for Xabi and there is this quote.

Bronzetti said: "I would try to bring in Alonso. There was a long chase last summer for his signature, of course, so it is a road we know.

"Pairing him with (former Liverpool midfielder Mohamed) Sissoko would be a title-winning midfield.

"The problem is that it would be very hard and expensive to take such an important player away from Liverpool."

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I wonder if Rafa gets a bid for 18Mil or so if he might be tempted to sell.

Another story is saying Joaquin will be the first out of Valencia and will be available for 8-10Mil. tbh id prefer him over Silva as imo they are equal in ability. Sure Joaquin isnt as high profile now but I think Rafa can get him back to his best. Silva will cost a lot of money and we should really spend the bulk of the money on a new striker and RB.

http://community.footballpools.com/blog....-battle

by **GYBS** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:41 am

have to bid 20 mil plus for xabi and joaquin is a bit one dimensional and just sticks to the right and is nowhere near the player he used to be

by **tubby** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:44 am

To be honest im just hoping any takeover happens quick so that Rafa can get a much bigger transfer kitty than he has now. It's about time he was able to go and get his no 1 targets.

by **Owzat** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:48 am

supersub wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:Id be fuming if we sold Agger , Nearest thing to Hanson weve had . i know he got a long way to go before he reaches the same level . But from what ive seen he can only get better.

An for me id take Silva over Tevez ,

Hint hint here keep your eye out for Javier Saviola that all im saying

I agree .....I think he's our best defender, but I think his refusal to sign a contract has probably sealed his departure.

Can't see why Rafa won't give him a run of games, it's not as if the defence has been unbreachable. Give him more games, show he is an important player, and he might well sign a contract. If he doesn't after a run of games then you can only conclude he's already left in mind and spirit

by **tubby** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:50 am

Maybe Rafa knows he is resigned to him leaving so is trying not to rely on him.

by **Owzat** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:09 am

bavlondon wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:We need a tall, and powerful striker to use against the negative teams. Saviola is the complete opposite of those things, the guy would be very ineffective in our league.

Spot on. I suggested we should try for a more target man type player like Gomez, Pogbrebnyak or Llorente.

Errr, no. Hoof up to the target man is not good football and what makes anyone think "negative teams" aren't capable of dealing with long or high balls?!?!?! We're not really a great threat in the air, we have enough problems in our own box, so it would be like one target sticking out like a sore thumb. It's a great tactic for small teams who can't afford the very best and most skilled players, not something a big club resorts to - not one with any dignity anyway.

And how would you accommodate the next Peter Crouch? By switching to 4-4-2 probably and thus replacing Gerrard with him, or effectively pushing Gerrard into a less effective role. I think we'd be FAR better off getting someone like Tevez who has skill on the ball, give him half a yard on the edge of the box and you'll probably see him knocking the ball into the back of the net. Some knock Kuyt for his poor first touch sometimes, well if we had more skilled players in the side then it wouldn't happen so often - with others as well as Kuyt. Moving the ball quickly is what opens up defences, thankfully Rafa gave up on the Crouch tactic and we've moved on from it.

by **tubby** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 10:20 am

You obviously think a target man can do nothing except receive long balls. Do Chelsea only hook up balls to Drogba or likewise Arsenal to Adebayor?

If we have someone like that it opens up doors for alternative tactics not to mention that person could also come in for Torres when he is injured which lets face it is going to be a regular occurence. We had problems breaking down teams earlier this year so it would help to have more options up front.

As for Gerrard, he is as good on the right as he is in this new role. Didn't he score 23 one season not so long ago playing mostly on the right?
We are not going to get Tevez. He is far too expensive and Utd will probably end up signing him proper. That was just a charade by the player himself to get Fergie to hurry up and offer him a contract. Sure he met with our reps but I can picture how that conversation went.

"Okay so how much does he want for wages?"
"90 - 100k per week"
"Erm ok thanks. We will let you know"

Id love him here as much as anyone but it aint going to happen. We can't afford it. Maybe if something happens with the ownership situation then that would be different.

by **GYBS** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:04 am

when gerrard played out right he spent most of the time cutting inside and scored most of his goals that season when he cut inside - it helped he had finnan up and down the right all game giving the width .

by **Bad Bob** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:45 am

GYBS wrote:when gerrard played out right he spent most of the time cutting inside and scored most of his goals that season when he cut inside - it helped he had finnan up and down the right all game giving the width .

Not really the point, mate, as Kuyt does the exact same thing. There's nothing wrong with cutting in off the wing if it's effective and Gerrard would be effective out there. But--and it's a big but--Gerrard on the right seems to have been a non-starter for several years now. Even when Kuyt was in poor form and Rafa didn't trust Pennant and we had Keane and Torres pairing up top we saw nothing of Gerrard out there. In fact, I can't remember him getting a game out there after that 2005-2006 season. That tells me that Rafa no longer considers it a viable option or possibility for whatever reason.

I don't necessarily agree that that option should no longer be considered but I don't think anyone can argue with the results when Gerrard plays tucked in just behind Torres in the free role. They are a devastating attacking partnership and their success has been so apparent and so consistent that we simply must acknowledge that that's the core of the side and build the rest of the team around them to suit. Fair enough, let's bring in a better option than Ngog when Torres is out but let's not be bringing in someone who's going to have to be accommodated up top at the expense of the Gerrard/Torres tandem.

by **GYBS** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:50 am

as you say mate - that partnership with torres is lethal - they showed it last season and couldnt understand why people wanted it broken up to bring a striker in and play 442 and they showed it again this season - hopefully it will be left be now

by **stmichael** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:38 pm

Players out of contract in the summer:

England:

http://www.goal.com/en....-summer

Italy:

http://www.goal.com/en....-summer

Spain:

http://www.goal.com/en....-summer

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