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by **KennyisGod....still** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:39 am

After we can't win it I wanna see Barca do it. They're an amazin team to watch when they're on their game, have a spirit of 'u score 4 we'll score 5' and dont have too many (!) of the play actin dogbreath type players in the team.

Arsenal would be my choice if an English team did win it........ hope its Barca tho

by **KennyisGod....still** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:40 am

heimdall wrote:
KennyisGod....still wrote:
heimdall wrote:
GYBS wrote:I think Torres took a knock Heimdall and was taken off as a precaution - also wasnt in the game . I think chelsea just came out more fired up second half

Well at the time even I was going ok fair enough the game's lost we're never going to get three, but how we could have used a moment of magic from Nando after the goals of Kuyt and Lucas. Eggnog is just fecking horrible, sorry to be negative but did he even touch the ball?

thort it was Ngog's poke that Essien cleared off the line. Thort it was handball at the time, but then I was clutchin at some very elusive straws!!

Mite be mistaken, but i thort it was ngog's shot mate.

Ah you're right actually, ok fair play to the lad, that was a fairly decent shot, just know that nando would have slotted it home though.

only on his right foot, his left foots taken a vacation of late!!

by **tubby** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:41 am

Torres subsitution explained
By Al Campbell

Rafael Benitez has explained why he subsituted Fernando Torres yesterday.
The boss brought Torres off with ten minutes to go yesterday and the score 3-2 to Chelsea. The Reds then scored twice to make it 4-3 and knowing a goal would take them through before Frank Lampard equalised in the 89th minute. Benitez has explained why his main striker wasn't on the pitch when Liverpool were looking for a possible winner.

"Torres is okay. I thought it would be difficult so I wanted to change something and give minutes to a player with quality like Ngog," he said.

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Well he is not injured at least. Him and Stevie can get plenty of rest ahead of the Arsenal game now.

by **heimdall** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:42 am

Ciggy wrote:
heimdall wrote:
GYBS wrote:I think Torres took a knock Heimdall and was taken off as a precaution - also wasnt in the game . I think chelsea just came out more fired up second half

Well at the time even I was going ok fair enough the game's lost we're never going to get three, but how we could have used a moment of magic from Nando after the goals of Kuyt and Lucas. Eggnog is just fecking horrible, sorry to be negative but did he even touch the ball?

You said last week Rafa should give the kids a chance, you even said you would praise Rafa if he dropped Torres and played Eggnog.

Make your mind up.

I never said that, in fact I said the exact opposite Ciggy.

I said I would throttle Rafa if he ever had Torres and Eggnog on the bench and brought on Eggnog instead of Torres. When I refer to youngsters being given a chance that does NOT include N'Gog

by **heimdall** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:44 am

Ciggy wrote:
heimdall wrote:just ask Ciggy who a few months ago wanted Rafa out out out.

I said it ONCE just ONCE cause I was p!ssed off with the ten draws, you on the other hand have been saying it since you joined the forum.
Dont put me in the same bracket as you.

Hey Ciggy I was just teasing you, come on. Anyway you can never be in my gang/bracket unless you renounce Rafa and all of his footballing minions. :devil:

by **Ciggy** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:45 am

bavlondon wrote:Torres subsitution explained
By Al Campbell

Rafael Benitez has explained why he subsituted Fernando Torres yesterday.
The boss brought Torres off with ten minutes to go yesterday and the score 3-2 to Chelsea. The Reds then scored twice to make it 4-3 and knowing a goal would take them through before Frank Lampard equalised in the 89th minute. Benitez has explained why his main striker wasn't on the pitch when Liverpool were looking for a possible winner.

"Torres is okay. I thought it would be difficult so I wanted to change something and give minutes to a player with quality like Ngog," he said.

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Well he is not injured at least. Him and Stevie can get plenty of rest ahead of the Arsenal game now.

TBF they kept Torres quiet all night man marked him out the game, like they done with gerrard last week.

by **heimdall** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:47 am

Ciggy wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Torres subsitution explained
By Al Campbell

Rafael Benitez has explained why he subsituted Fernando Torres yesterday.
The boss brought Torres off with ten minutes to go yesterday and the score 3-2 to Chelsea. The Reds then scored twice to make it 4-3 and knowing a goal would take them through before Frank Lampard equalised in the 89th minute. Benitez has explained why his main striker wasn't on the pitch when Liverpool were looking for a possible winner.

"Torres is okay. I thought it would be difficult so I wanted to change something and give minutes to a player with quality like Ngog," he said.

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Well he is not injured at least. Him and Stevie can get plenty of rest ahead of the Arsenal game now.

TBF they kept Torres quiet all night man marked him out the game, like they done with gerrard last week.

and a quality

player like N'Gog was likely to change that? I'm all for managers bigging up their players but lets not be silly Rafa.

by **tubby** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:50 am

heimdall wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Torres subsitution explained
By Al Campbell

Rafael Benitez has explained why he subsituted Fernando Torres yesterday.
The boss brought Torres off with ten minutes to go yesterday and the score 3-2 to Chelsea. The Reds then scored twice to make it 4-3 and knowing a goal would take them through before Frank Lampard equalised in the 89th minute. Benitez has explained why his main striker wasn't on the pitch when Liverpool were looking for a possible winner.

"Torres is okay. I thought it would be difficult so I wanted to change something and give minutes to a player with quality like Ngog," he said.

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Well he is not injured at least. Him and Stevie can get plenty of rest ahead of the Arsenal game now.

TBF they kept Torres quiet all night man marked him out the game, like they done with gerrard last week.

and a quality player like N'Gog was likely to change that? I'm all for managers bigging up their players but lets not be silly Rafa.

What's wrong with what he done? He gave the lad some experience in a big game and we still have important games in the league to come so it was a good move to take off Torres.

by **KennyisGod....still** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:51 am

heimdall wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Torres subsitution explained
By Al Campbell

Rafael Benitez has explained why he subsituted Fernando Torres yesterday.
The boss brought Torres off with ten minutes to go yesterday and the score 3-2 to Chelsea. The Reds then scored twice to make it 4-3 and knowing a goal would take them through before Frank Lampard equalised in the 89th minute. Benitez has explained why his main striker wasn't on the pitch when Liverpool were looking for a possible winner.

"Torres is okay. I thought it would be difficult so I wanted to change something and give minutes to a player with quality like Ngog," he said.

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Well he is not injured at least. Him and Stevie can get plenty of rest ahead of the Arsenal game now.

TBF they kept Torres quiet all night man marked him out the game, like they done with gerrard last week.

and a quality player like N'Gog was likely to change that? I'm all for managers bigging up their players but lets not be silly Rafa.

i see his point Heimdall, try somethin difrent. We're 3-2 down, need 3 goals and what we have aint workin. Yes, ngog is a far far far (enuf fars?) inferior player to Nando, but then who aint? If he stuck with what we had he gets lambasted, if he changes it at least he had a go. Still gets lambasted, but no-one can say he didnt try to change things.

We know we need a 2nd quality striker, but it wernt missed chances that cost us.

Anyway, it aint so important today. I'll argue more tomoro, sorry.

by **Sabre** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:53 am

Ciggy wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Torres subsitution explained
By Al Campbell

Rafael Benitez has explained why he subsituted Fernando Torres yesterday.
The boss brought Torres off with ten minutes to go yesterday and the score 3-2 to Chelsea. The Reds then scored twice to make it 4-3 and knowing a goal would take them through before Frank Lampard equalised in the 89th minute. Benitez has explained why his main striker wasn't on the pitch when Liverpool were looking for a possible winner.

"Torres is okay. I thought it would be difficult so I wanted to change something and give minutes to a player with quality like Ngog," he said.

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Well he is not injured at least. Him and Stevie can get plenty of rest ahead of the Arsenal game now.

TBF they kept Torres quiet all night man marked him out the game, like they done with gerrard last week.

Plus the divings and soft fouls means that Chelsea can recover a static defence all the time. These constant stops and starts are one of the differences with la liga, and the more continuous game of the premier suits Torres best.

No wonder Rafa was angry with Hiddink, those soft fouls are a good way to neutralise at least a bit Torres. I guess that if I was Hiddink I would have done the same thing :blush:

but what a pity we didn't have another kind of reffereeing than the Spaniard provided.

by **Well Red** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:13 am

filcombesacant wrote:i would love to see arsenal win it now

I agree with you there, actually. Arsenal play some sublime football and in some respects are the best team to watch in the top flight when they're on form. They do this with the same lack of strength-in-depth as us, they have a fighting spirit and have been loyal to their manager, and it's possible to relate to their fans because they don't have the vast sums to splash out summer upon summer on £30million squad-boosting players like United and Chelsea do.

Furthermore, a 4-4 match in Europe with the reds performning heroically at the Emirates would have been remembered forever as a classic European night of "so close, yet so far", and "football was the real winner". Sadly yesterday's match will live long in my memory solely because it was the perfect 90-minute epitome of why I dislike Chelsea so much; it is not jealousy, or the fact that they are bankrolled by a Russian billionaire; nor their loathe-worthy recent influx of glory-hunting fans, or the fact that many of their players (The Cashley Cole's of this world) play for their wallets rather than for their club; No, it is the fact that they resort to such shameless tactics as diving to win football matches like yesterday. And I will lend weight to this post by naming names, because it's time to talk about facts.

I'm not saying that they wouldn't have won it without this, because that would be a nonsensical argument - but the match was poorly refereed, by an official who looked out of his depth at that level, when you compare it to how well officiated our game at Old Trafford was by Alan Wiley, and it was like watching a game of netball at times. Every time the ball was in the air anywhere near Didier Drogba he collapsed in a heap under the closest challenge to him. With the amount of dives and the effort he put into them last night he should be in the Ivory Coast Olympic Diving Team, and things such going down simulating injury OFF the pitch and then rolling ON to it were frankly disgusting. I wouldn't expect that from a lesser team in the Copa Libertadores, let alone one of the 'Big Four' who are supposed to be flying the flag for our League in Europe.

What grates me most is that he is one of the best centre forwards in the world, but that he should resort to this behaviour, which is needless. Contrast him to Adebayor, for example. Players like Kalou and Malouda were the same, and I recall Ballack going down far too softly once as well, and Ashley Cole doing likewise. They then have the shameless cheek to argue to the referee that Arbeloa had taken a dive in the second half! The match was disrupted by the ref's whistle every two minutes and there cannpt have been more than 10 consecutive passes put together by either side. It was a disgusting attitude to adopt from the Chelsea team

There was nothing 'sporting' about watching the sport last night from where I was sat - and I haven't even bothered to touch upon the constant niggling fouls they commited on our players which Sabre has mentioned in the post above me. The likes of Arsenal, Barcelona, Real Madrid and (dare-I-say-it) even Manchester United wouldn't have put in a performance like that. Chelsea are the worst English team for it by a country mile, and football has no place for it. I hope Barca show them how to really play the Beautiful Game and really put them to the sword in the Camp Nou. :no

Well Read, Well Red.

by **The_Rock** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:16 am

We are out....... The stud muffin can still continue to pop cheeries.....

by **heimdall** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:16 am

KennyisGod....still wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
bavlondon wrote:Torres subsitution explained
By Al Campbell

Rafael Benitez has explained why he subsituted Fernando Torres yesterday.
The boss brought Torres off with ten minutes to go yesterday and the score 3-2 to Chelsea. The Reds then scored twice to make it 4-3 and knowing a goal would take them through before Frank Lampard equalised in the 89th minute. Benitez has explained why his main striker wasn't on the pitch when Liverpool were looking for a possible winner.

"Torres is okay. I thought it would be difficult so I wanted to change something and give minutes to a player with quality like Ngog," he said.

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Well he is not injured at least. Him and Stevie can get plenty of rest ahead of the Arsenal game now.

TBF they kept Torres quiet all night man marked him out the game, like they done with gerrard last week.

and a quality player like N'Gog was likely to change that? I'm all for managers bigging up their players but lets not be silly Rafa.

i see his point Heimdall, try somethin difrent. We're 3-2 down, need 3 goals and what we have aint workin. Yes, ngog is a far far far (enuf fars?) inferior player to Nando, but then who aint? If he stuck with what we had he gets lambasted, if he changes it at least he had a go. Still gets lambasted, but no-one can say he didnt try to change things.

We know we need a 2nd quality striker, but it wernt missed chances that cost us.

Anyway, it aint so important today. I'll argue more tomoro, sorry.

To be honest I was actually just poking fun at the words quality and N'Gog being so close together in Rafa's staement.

Agree he needed to change things around but players like Torres and Gerrard have the ability to play :censored:

for 90 minutes and then in injury time produce a moment of brilliance but it's not a big problem.

by **heimdall** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:19 am

The_Rock wrote:We are out....... The stud muffin can still continue to pop cheeries.....

Dude you must have been getting nervous last night. :lookaround

by **aCe'** » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:22 am

alrighty... time to have a go at Rafa i think...

i thought after we went 2-0 up...half time... we should have changed things around a bit... The best thing about the way Rafa started the game -all credit to him- was that Chelsea didnt actually know how we set up and the the 2 goals left them shocked and shaken...

half time.. thought we should have slowed the game down a bit... defend tight and keep it simple like we usually do in away games against big sides and try to keep the 2-0 scoreline for 15-20 mins... at 60-65 mins or so we kick things off again... bring on Riera, maybe even Babel and change the look of our side again... we score 1, even if we concede 1 we still take it to extra time... but opening up the game (2nd half) even at 2-0 up was quite frankly naive and it did eventually cost us the game... Torres shouldnt have been brought off... Riera came in a little too late given what was going on...etc etc...

again.. was a brilliant performance and i reckon Chelsea are finding it hard to believe they managed to get past us somehow despite us being in such a great form and all... should have handled trhe 2nd half better Rafa but then again, after the 1st leg it was always going to be tough... well done and good luck in the league i guess..

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