Chelsea(3) v liverpool(1) - 2nd leg - Tuesday - 7.45pm - the comeback?

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Postby tubby » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:34 pm

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Greavesie wrote:I've got a horrible feeling the Chelsea fans are going to be very disrespecful :(

You should have heard some of the things they were saying after the 1st leg. "You killed your fans ect...". Infact ive not spoken to one of my mates since the first leg as im still really :censored: of the way he was acting after that game. What :censored: me off most about the first leg is that you could actually hear their fans singing as well. The noise level by the home fans was not loud enough.

I know how you feel bav I hate a mate who I found out to be really bad racist I never spoke to him agian.

Funny how you don't know some people untill something happens its shame it really is.  :down:

Those fans have no class, no decency. They also have a shady past in terms of fans linked to racist outfits. That's what niggles me the most about them having such a rich owner becasue they do not deserve to be able to win something like the European Cup.

I really hope we give it our all tomorrow night.
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Postby Reg » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:40 pm

How Liverpool can still beat Chelsea to reach Champions League semi-finals

Five things Liverpool can do to overcome the 3-1 deficit in their Champions League quarter-final second leg against Chelsea at Stamford Bridge.

13 Apr 2009

1 Employ their midfield generals
At Anfield Chelsea dominated midfield with both work rate and exceptional passing. Frank Lampard and Michael Ballack showcased the modern midfielder’s art in tidying up in front of defence and surging forward to launch attacks at will.

Torres left to wonder what might have been Lucas was out of his depth in that environment but Javier Mascherano, who is back for the return leg, is unlikely to be as easily bullied and if he and Xabi Alonso can shut down Ballack and Lampard and use what possession Liverpool have effectively they will be in a better position to dictate play.

2 Free Stevie G
Rafa Benitez needs to be bold. After Fernando Torres, the most reliable source of the three or more goals Liverpool need is Steven Gerrard.

If fit, the Liverpool captain must be pushed forward to support Torres more closely in a 4-4-2 formation, with Gerrard playing the support striker – leaving Mascherno and Alonso to take care of business in the middle – and his goal threat will be increased. Michael Essien, should he be asked to do another man marking job on Gerrard, would also be forced further back and inevitably wander into Chelsea defenders’ territory where responsibility to pick up Gerrard would become confused.

3 Get in the zone
While Liverpool need to score, conceding will make life even more difficult. Losing two goals to simple set pieces at Anfield questioned the wisdom of Benitez’s zonal marking system. Should Liverpool persist with it they need to communicate better when players run across their space to avoid a repeat of Branislav Ivanovic’s almost free headers.

Chelsea are a bigger side than Liverpool – despite the absence through suspension of John Terry – and so Sami Hyypia’s presence in place of Martin Skrtel, who had a shocker in the first leg, might improve things in that department, though with a loss of pace on the ground. Better still, abandon the ploy and revert to man-to-man marking, just this once.

4 Win their personal battles
At Anfield Skrtel was bullied in to submission by Didier Drogba, Essien had Gerrard in his pocket all night while Ashley Cole, Lampard and Ballack reminded us all of their quality and even Florent Malouda justified his starting place.

With Terry absent and his likely replacement, Richard Carvalho, just back from injury to partner the less assured Alex, Torres can make hay with his fleetness of movement and thought. If Liverpool do go 4-4-2 then Albert Riera needs to ask questions defensively of Ivanovic, while Dirk Kuyt is capable of harrying Cole to distraction. Alonso and Mascherano need to claim the midfield off Ballack and Lampard. Simple, eh?

5 Evoke the spirit of Istanbul
As chastening an experience as the first leg was, this Liverpool side is not one that is easily broken and they have already gone to the home of the European and Premier League Champions and won by three goals this season in the sacking of Old Trafford.

They may have only twice scored three goals or more at Stamford Bridge in competitive matches and failed to win any of their Champions League fixtures there but what’s three goals in 90 minutes to a club who pulled off the trick in six minutes in a Champions League final?
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Postby Number 9 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:06 pm

Greavesie wrote:I've got a horrible feeling the Chelsea fans are going to be very disrespecful :(

Well if they are mate its them who will come off worse!They will let themselves down personally and their club as a whole.
I really think 99.9% of any football fans can relate to this tragedy,it could have been any club at the end of the day.
I dont know what they are planning to do to remember Hillsborough and make a jesture to us.
But if the club have any doubts about the conduct of their fans a minutes silence may be a bad idea.Perhaps an applause would be a better idea.
Yeah i know its not the same and quite sad to have to consider it but it only takes a handful of idiots out of a massive crowd to ruin a silence or boo when flowers are being laid!

Im sure we all know that the vast majority of Chelsea fans would be ashamed if anything unsavoury was to occur..People are people at the end of the day!
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Postby Madmax » Mon Apr 13, 2009 7:33 pm

looking forward to the match going to be on hell of an entertaining feast!! Common red men..
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Postby JoeTerp » Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:51 pm

Red H wrote:Let's go for it, play total football, 3-4-3.

                        Reina

         Carragher  Skirtle  Agger

   Gerrard  Mascherano  Alonso  Aurelio

                Kuyt Torres  Reira

Playing Gerrard down the right would also negate the defensive effects of Essien.  Never going to happen, but it would make for a great game.

My 3-4-3 would be:

                             Reina
           Carra          Hyypia          Agger
Kuyt            Mascherano     Alonso       Dossena
           Gerrard                          Yossi
                             Torres
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Postby Scottbot » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:01 pm

I've never been so relaxed about a game in all my life! We've got absolutely nothing to lose and hopefully that will help the players relax and play some good football. I don't think we need to go there and throw everything at them in the first 20 minutes but if we can take a 1-0 lead into half-time we'll give ourselves a good shot at it. I'll be interested to see how the manager plays it for this one. What will he do if Essien performs the same man-marking role on Gerrard this time around? Who will play at the back with Carra? Skrtel had a mare the first leg and Agger showed enough on Saturday to merit an opportunity + he offers something going forward. On the other hand, if we're going to somehow win this tie we will need at least one of our goals to come from a set-piece so Sami is perhaps the best option. Does Benny start the game tomorrow? for me it has to be a yes, he is one of our most inform players the past 2-3 months and should start ahead of Riera.
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Postby Scottbot » Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:19 pm

Alan Hansen's column

Alan Hansen

By Alan Hansen
BBC Sport football expert

The task facing Liverpool in Tuesday's Champions League quarter-final second leg against Chelsea is mega, simply huge.

Having lost 3-1 at home in the first leg, Rafael Benitez's side must go to Stamford Bridge, against a top side in great form, and win 3-0 - and when was the last time any side went there and did that?

Chelsea have only lost twice at home in the league this season, to Liverpool and Arsenal, and both were by the single goal.

It is a task bordering on the unthinkable.

Didier Drogba celebrates
Didier Drogba, even though he missed a few chances, was brilliant

If you analyse the Blues, it is very difficult indeed to come up with areas where you think Liverpool might get some joy, or pinpoint positions where Chelsea can be exploited. They are so good.

Take the manager, Guus Hiddink; his tactics in the first leg were absolutely spot on, especially after Chelsea went 1-0 down, and the Dutchman's nous and experience will be key again.

Then there's the players. Michael Essien, quite rightly, received a lot of plaudits for his performance in last week's match, but for me Michael Ballack showed his stature with an excellent display.

Didier Drogba, even though he missed a few chances, was brilliant and even Salomon Kalou and Florent Malouda - players who could be accused of going missing in the past - stood up and were counted.

It was a complete team performance and, you have to say, if they play anything like that again then the Londoners will reach the semi-finals at Liverpool's expense, no doubt.

The fact that Barcelona, in all likelihood, await the winner is relevant too because matches don't come much bigger than that and there is little chance Chelsea will allow themselves to be complacent.

And while some might point to Saturday's match against Bolton - when the Trotters fought back from 4-0 down to 4-3 - as an example of Chelsea's potential frailty, I see it as the opposite.

606: DEBATE
We must take whatever chances we get and remain solid at the back - if that's not enough, so be it

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When you're big time, with big-time players and a big-time manager, what you tend to do is learn from your mistakes so, as far as Liverpool are concerned, they could have done with Chelsea having their blip on Tuesday instead of Saturday.

Liverpool are big enough to realise Saturday's match was a case of Chelsea taking their foot off the pedal when leading comfortably - Frank Lampard and Drogba left the field at 4-0.

The Blues have had their scare now and will be doubly determined to ensure something similar doesn't happen on Tuesday.

Furthermore, Bolton were able to cause Chelsea problems mainly through frontman Kevin Davies - exactly the sort of player Liverpool don't have.

Davies is a battering ram, a real menace, but Fernando Torres - as talented as he is - is nothing like that. In the first leg, the Spaniard went missing a bit in the second half as he made little impact as an isolated figure against the centre-half pairing of John Terry and Alex.

Still, there is no point Liverpool going into the match unless they believe they can do it. Benitez will be pounding it into his players - it's only half-time and it's not over until it's over.

Steven Gerrard's fitness is key. If he doesn't play, or even if he is only 90% fit, Liverpool have next to no chance.

Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard
Kevin Davies is a battering ram, a real menace, but Fernando Torres - as talented as he is - is nothing like that

But if he plays as he can - he has rescued Liverpool time and time again, especially in the Champions League - stranger things have happened in football.

Combine that with the fact Chelsea will be without their skipper Terry because of his suspension, and you never know.

I remember when I played for Liverpool against Arsenal on the last day of the season in 1989 and we lost the match 2-0 and therefore the title.

It's a strange feeling knowing you can lose the game 1-0 - and in Chelsea's case, 2-0 - and still get what you want out of the match.

It can happen that you get caught between playing your natural game and trying to protect something that doesn't need protecting.

You have to temper that with the fact Chelsea are an experienced side and, in Hiddink, have a tactically astute manager, but will they get caught betwixt and between?

Of course, Liverpool have beaten the odds before in Europe, coming from 3-0 down at half-time in the Champions League final against AC Milan in 2005 to win the trophy on penalties.

That was an unbelievable recovery and perhaps they can take heart from the fact they've done it before.

But Chelsea are a much better side defensively than Milan were on that day and, for me, if Liverpool were to overturn their first leg deficit and reach the semi-finals, it would be an even bigger shock than that come-from-behind win in Istanbul nearly four years ago.

Liverpool can only hope Chelsea have a shocker and they have a blinder - but the odds are stacked totally in the Blues' favour.

Whichever way you look at it, whichever factors you consider, Liverpool face a near-impossible task.
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Postby das20093 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:41 pm

Start with 4 up front.  Torres, Gerrard, Benny and babel/kuyt
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Postby Number 9 » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:49 pm

das20093 wrote:Start with 4 up front.  Torres, Gerrard, Benny and babel/kuyt

Shush son!
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Postby Well Red » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:22 am

das20093 wrote:Start with 4 up front.  Torres, Gerrard, Benny and babel/kuyt

and what formation would that be in?

3-3-4?
4-2-4??
The reason we lost the first leg was primarily because Chelsea won the midfield battle. No point handing them the same victory on a plate because of a formation like that.  :no
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Postby ConnO'var » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:41 am

Do a bolton on 'em. Bypass the midfield and make sure Reina's leg is warmed up! :p

But seriously, this is going to be mountain to climb. I'm betting that they'll take a leafout of the smaller clubs' tactic books and park the bus.

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Postby Lando_Griffin » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:01 am

Let's f*ck these cheating, diving cockney b*stards up.

F*cking Sh*tski scum. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
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Postby redbeergoggles » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:24 am

One last word on the Chelsea game before I pack my lap top away and head home ,This is Liverpool Football Club ,lets expect something exceptional tonight ,I think were in for an epic encounter which ever way it turns out  :D
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Postby LegBarnes » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:06 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:Let's f*ck these cheating, diving cockney b*stards up.

F*cking Sh*tski scum. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

I take it you not there biggest fan lando.  :laugh:
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Postby The_Rock » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:24 am

Personally think it is the end of the road for this years champions league (pity as i think bar the chelsea result...we are the most in-form team in europe at this moment). If only we had prevented the chelsea RB from scoring.... a 1-1 score will be sufficient for us ....cos we can beat chelsea at their place.

Anyway.....making a vow now....if we somehow....can get past chelsea into the semi finals...i will give up sex for 1 year...... hahahhaha
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