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by **burjennio** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:33 am

Some seem to be preoccupied with the literal interpretation of the bible and use it as a stick to beat believers with, the majority of Christians believe in science and fully understand that yes, dinosaurs lived millions of years before Noah ever took a hammer to a piece of wood. Its the fundamentalist brigade that make all the crazy statements about 12000 years and "intelligent design" and try to force it down the throats of the population at mass and more disturbingly into schools. Ive seen first hand the effect this kind of religions have on the confused, grief striken and dysfunctional and the way they can twist their minds with all the fire and brimestone eternal damnation scare tactics and it turn it into an almost cult-like mind control, and they quickly turn it away from spiritual themes and it becomes prejudice about minorities, gays and other religions. It also takes thier money hand over fist. Religion should be a tool for bringing people together in peace rather than uniting them in fear, hate and xenophobia.

by **Emerald Red** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:51 am

burjennio wrote:Some seem to be preoccupied with the literal interpretation of the bible and use it as a stick to beat believers with, the majority of Christians believe in science and fully understand that yes, dinosaurs lived millions of years before Noah ever took a hammer to a piece of wood. Its the fundamentalist brigade that make all the crazy statements about 12000 years and "intelligent design" and try to force it down the throats of the population at mass and more disturbingly into schools. Ive seen first hand the effect this kind of religions have on the confused, grief striken and dysfunctional and the way they can twist their minds with all the fire and brimestone eternal damnation scare tactics and it turn it into an almost cult-like mind control, and they quickly turn it away from spiritual themes and it becomes prejudice about minorities, gays and other religions. It also takes thier money hand over fist. Religion should be a tool for bringing people together in peace rather than uniting them in fear, hate and xenophobia.

Yeah, you're spot on. Unfortunately it's the vices and corruption of humanity that are more often at fault than the actual religion itself.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:37 am

tom cruise is the most over-rated actor i've ever seen.

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:40 am

maypaxvobiscum wrote:tom cruise is the most over-rated actor i've ever seen.

i agree and him being here has nothing to do with any God

by **dawson99** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:57 am

J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:tom cruise is the most over-rated actor i've ever seen.

i agree and him being here has nothing to do with any God

over-rated?

ok, lets see some films and how good he was in them:

Rain Man - outstanding
born on 4th july - deserved the oscar...
The color of money - held his own with paul newman!!!
Magnolia - brilliant supporting role
eyes wide shut - kubrick brilliance
Lions for Lambs - slimy perfection role
Tropic Thunder - possibly only good bit in the film

Show me many otehr actors that have his track record? I didnt even mention top gun, mission impossible, jerry maguire or the firm)

As for religion, if you have faith, beliefs and live life right, not hurting anyone, i wouldnt care who you thought the big man was.

by **Number 9** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:06 pm

Effes wrote:There is no feckin way some old bearded bloke got 2 of every species onto his Ark - nonsense.

There are historians who believe there may have been a mighty flood yonks ago tho.

Must have been some size of boat!!

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:26 pm

dawson99 wrote:
J*o*n*D*o*e wrote:
maypaxvobiscum wrote:tom cruise is the most over-rated actor i've ever seen.

i agree and him being here has nothing to do with any God

over-rated?

ok, lets see some films and how good he was in them:

Rain Man - outstanding
born on 4th july - deserved the oscar...
The color of money - held his own with paul newman!!!
Magnolia - brilliant supporting role
eyes wide shut - kubrick brilliance
Lions for Lambs - slimy perfection role
Tropic Thunder - possibly only good bit in the film

Show me many otehr actors that have his track record? I didnt even mention top gun, mission impossible, jerry maguire or the firm)

As for religion, if you have faith, beliefs and live life right, not hurting anyone, i wouldnt care who you thought the big man was.

your right i was teasing, dont forget his performance on Oprah

by **Big Niall** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:44 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Big Niall wrote:its all down to beliefs is bollox. do protestants believe a man (priest) saying words turns wine into the blood of a man that lived two thousand years ago.

Noah got dinosaurs onto an arc, all bollox,

if you believe the bilble you are a retard and I iwll debate any part with you.

Yeah, maybe do a bit of research into something before opening your gob, eh?

Where the f*ck in the bible does it say anything about Noah leading dinosaurs onto an ark? Men didn't even exist when they were around. Anyway, that's an Old Testament fable, or parable. Go do some digging and learning on the meaning of the two. You are not meant to take everything the bible says literally. Like all stories, there is a concept and a moral at the end of it. Take what you will from it, but don't f*cking dare to call a person a retard for having faith in something. Ignorant b@stard.

As for you debating something with me from the book, I wouldn't waste my time. You seem to think that dinosaurs were mentioned in the bible, so that's your debate f*cked straight away.

I apologise for being an angry fecker (damn wine) :down:

however, if god created every creature in the first week, then man and dinosaur did co-exist. and the point that the bible doesn't mention the greatest creatures that ever existed on this planet suggests that the writers and jesus didn't know anything more than ordinary humans at that time. if jesus was god then surely it'd have popped up in conversation along with the world rotating around the sun etc

therefore you did just back up my argument that the bible is nonsense

the new testament has good morals though.

by **Kharhaz** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:57 pm

I dont believe in Jesus or god or any of that but I can understand why many people do. Myself, like I say, I dont believe in that sort of thing but I do believe in fate, and luck. I dont know why I just do. I wont try to justify any of these things by saying "its gods will", it would be just one of them things. How many times has an event come up, that you are dreading, say, a visit from someone unwelcome. Your dreading them turning up but when they do it turns out to be a good thing and changes the rest of your life, or week at least ! Now would that visit be lucky? lucky in the sense that the person usually associated with bad news has some good news for a change, or fate? you was meant for this visit to happen, to change something in your life.

Religion to many people explains forces like fate and luck. It doesnt explain enough for me to be convinced about jesus or mary or joseph, but to dismiss this entirely, the stories associated with religion, would be to dismiss things like fate and luck.

by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:26 pm

there is a force out there and it isnt God, its nature and we have fooked with it for far to long, this is something you can actually see and feel

Religion is all about control and playing on peoples fears, there is no fear anymore so we are slowly losing control, just look how the world is changing, we become more violent everyday.

what will the future hold, well as the church declines the state will take over, someone or something(religion) has to keep the masses in check.

where doomed i tell ya.

by **burjennio** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:42 pm

why do people believe the world is getting more violent? its always been violent, its not as though their hasnt always been murder and persecution in the world.

by **redbeergoggles** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:31 am

Every faith in the world has diversifying beliefs, and stories that can be dismissed as myths ,the Bible is no different .
If indeed it is proven to be an untruth ,then it will be simply a source of mere conjecture ,but it will not sway the acceptance that there is a higher power or a Messiah .
I say let people believe in a higher existence ,the Bible will always be scrutinised ,but surely it is no less believable than Buddhism and yet that fails to be disected continually .
The one constant amongst this debate is the failure of people to see the greed inherent in the catholic church ,the richest most affluent institution in the entire world ,and yet continue to be the most abhorent, hypocritical task masters on the globe .
I was brought up a Catholic ,but I am devastated at the attrocities the Catholic church have inflicted on this world in the name of faith

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:36 am

dawson99 wrote:I think you lot follow the media too much.
Everyone slates Tom Cruise and leave alone other Scientologists who actually spread the word more often.

Did people know that the 2 main stars of My Name is Earl and the creater/writer/director are massive into Scientology? Watch the show a little closer... you'll see. But everyone loves the show and the guys so leave them alone.

Plus, Cruiseshould have won a couple of Oscars by now. RainMan he did it, he was betetr than Hoffman, and his part in 4th of July was outstanding.
Overall, leave the guy and his beliefs alone. Are aliens really that weirder than a devine infinintely powerful being, who made the universe in 7 days, made a garden with apples that you shouldnt eat...

It's all down to interpretation

No.

It's all down to 3 letters:

L.S.D.

by **Number 9** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:47 am

He's a Fu*king w@nker!! :nod

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNrB6qpmNwg

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:55 am

Anyhoo...

Religion - the cause of virtually every single war in history.

Whether or not God, Allah, Umboto the Great or any "omnipresent" being truly exists is largely irrelevant in the living World.

It's when you kick the bucket that you find out one way or the other, and, by gum, I hope there is a God, and I hope he likes me.

As long as it's not sexually.

Unless he looks like Eva Longoria...

Because imagine how daft you'd feel if you spent your entire life being a Jovo, or a machete-wielding Muslim (as opposed to a normal Muslim who still has a brain), only to find that it was the wrong religion all along, and you were sent to the fiery bowels of Hell because you'd worshiped the "wrong" God and killed several "infidels", who were actually right all along.

I prefer to think that it's better to have faith, irrespective of what that is in.

Essentially - don't kill, rape, rob or attack, and you really ought to get to any good place going.

If "God" WANTS you to do any of the above in his name, then I don't want anything to do with him, thanks. (But I don't for one minute believe that he does.)

So there you have it - be good, be funny and don't run around trying to bomb people:

The Lando Griffin "Get to Heaven Free" card...

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