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by **Owzat** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:49 am

I think Kuyt is massively under-rated by quite a few Liverpool fans, he's not "2nd best to Ronaldo" or anything like that, but he does a good job as RM and scores enough to compensate any lacking in assists - not that our side is brimming with assists from midfield.

Anyone watch Lennon on Wednesday? Lots of pace, always looking to run around the defender to the by-line (predictable and probably no left foot) and put in what, one decent cross? Think I'd stick with Kuyt, maybe RM's primary role isn't defence, but if a Lennon is what people on here crave then I'm somewhat worried. Some spuz fan on another forum I go on was raving about his performance and bemoaning Cappello subbing him, even though Beckham contributed more as sub than Lennon in terms of actual end product. Point being Kuyt produces an end product and still gets criticism on here, maybe not a regular end product but for someone who some on here reckon just "works hard" he produces a lot more end product than other "hard workers" like Carra, Skrtel, Mascherano, Arbeloa. Or put another way, if we didn't have Kuyt in the side I doubt we'd be anywhere but our usual 3rd or 4th and out of contention already.

As for being completely anonymous at a team like Wigan :laugh:

Nicely unprovable claim, doubtless Torres wouldn't be nearly as effective but that's equally unprovable and even less likely to happen

by **akumaface** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:09 am

I think Kuyt is no longer the scapegoat as he left the dog house long time ago. Even in here, people do slate him sometimes but not in "Lucas Style" anymore. We all know Kuyt has his limitation as he is not a skilled player but not many can't do what he can. He got tremendous heart and can run like an energizer bunny. He also score some important goals for us. So, it would be a tough decision if you asked me whether I want to replace him on the right. If we in fact replace him with someone like Lennon, I would expect to see some problem in RB as Kuyt helped cover some mistake there and Arbeloa might be exposed. So, if we get a Lennon then we also might need to find another RB. It is all about balance and if we do have enough money this summer, I think Rafa would probably gonna get several squad rather than one superstar.

by **Owzat** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:10 am

I think making too many changes will undo what we have already and could be one step forward and two steps back. We bought Keane last summer (and Cavalieri, Dossena, Degen, N'Gog and Riera), only one is a fixture in the side and we have found that the same formation and much of the same personnel make up our best XI this season as did last. Point being if we'd only bought Riera then we'd have fixed the only problem position that couldn't be fixed from the existing squad. So do we aim to demote the likes of Kuyt to the bench by bringing in big names or "superior" options, or bring in some capable alternatives?

The Barry situation maybe sums it up nicely, what would have happened if Alonso had been sold and Barry brought in? The team is built nicely in a certain style and formation, you start taking pieces out of that solid structure and formation and you may well end up having to rebuild from scratch. It's not like taking out a part from your car engine and putting in a spanking new one, the new components aren't going to necessarily by like for like and/or improvements.

And fwiw, I think Rafa made a mistake playing Kuyt like he did yesterday. I reckon he should have started with Kuyt in Benayoun's role and vice versa.

by **JC_81** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:07 pm

Owzat wrote:And fwiw, I think Rafa made a mistake playing Kuyt like he did yesterday. I reckon he should have started with Kuyt in Benayoun's role and vice versa.

Was thinking that myself. I just don't think Kuyt is effective in central positions. He has become an effective right mid but we all know he has his limitations - ie skill, speed of turn, first touch - and I think these limitations are more obvious when he plays centrally because he has less time on the ball or has to receive it under pressure.

On the other hand, Benayoun has looked better in recent weeks when he's come into central positions. When Gerrard doesn't play then imo Benayoun is our best bet at playing in behind Torres. As it happened Blackburn were so bad it didn't matter.

by **Big Niall** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:09 pm

kuyt gives everything he has which is why all fans respect him. However, I just don't think he has the class.

Is he really up there with torres?

by **dawson99** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:15 pm

Big Niall wrote:kuyt gives everything he has which is why all fans respect him. However, I just don't think he has the class.

Is he really up there with torres?

Nope, nowhere near. But every team also needs the workhorse.
Look at players like Park and Fletcher at Manure... wouldn't make our subs bench, but in the right system are used as vasluable players.

by **PabloAimar** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:27 pm

Big Niall wrote:Is he really up there with torres?

who IS?

by **tubby** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:28 pm

PabloAimar wrote:
Big Niall wrote:Is he really up there with torres?

who IS?

Not trying to take anything away from Nando but....Samuel Etoo?

by **PabloAimar** » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:31 pm

bavlondon wrote:
PabloAimar wrote:
Big Niall wrote:Is he really up there with torres?

who IS?

Not trying to take anything away from Nando but....Samuel Etoo?

but samuel doesn't play for us

by **Toffeehater** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 6:02 am

dawson99 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:kuyt gives everything he has which is why all fans respect him. However, I just don't think he has the class.

Is he really up there with torres?

Nope, nowhere near. But every team also needs the workhorse.
Look at players like Park and Fletcher at Manure... wouldn't make our subs bench, but in the right system are used as vasluable players.

Park is a good player , he can dribble , pass and put a decent cross in and he would get into our first team on the wings.

by **we all dream...** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:40 am

Toffeehater wrote:
dawson99 wrote:
Big Niall wrote:kuyt gives everything he has which is why all fans respect him. However, I just don't think he has the class.

Is he really up there with torres?

Nope, nowhere near. But every team also needs the workhorse.
Look at players like Park and Fletcher at Manure... wouldn't make our subs bench, but in the right system are used as vasluable players.

Park is a good player , he can dribble , pass and put a decent cross in and he would get into our first team on the wings.

I was gonna say the same, they are both decent players nad would be very useful squad players for us, liek they are for united.

by **dawson99** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:19 pm

totally disagree, they are average players who work a lot harder to play for a team they wanna play for. Like Kuyt does for us.
You'd take Park on the wings, but how many has he scored this season in the league? Kuyt has 8 from 32? Park has 2 from 33.

and Fletcher is the worst player in the history of the premier league. Fact.

by **we all dream...** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:28 pm

That's just silly, he wouldn't even be the worst midfielder to play for liverpool in the passed dedace think about Salif Diao...

I think they would both be squad players in our side.. Id take Fletcher over Lucas. He is the Scottish captain, I know they are poor but he must have something about him.

by **Reg** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:02 pm

Sums up Kuyt quite well........
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Dunn salutes hard-working Kuyt
13 Apr 2009 - 10:45:00

Blackburn's David Dunn has poured praise on Liverpool forward Dirk Kuyt - and claims he is as much responsible for their title bid as anyone.With injury concerns consigning Steven Gerrard to the bench, Kuyt partnered Fernando Torres in attack for Saturday's visit of the Lancastrians.And while the Dutchman was not among the goalscorers in a 4-0 romp for the Anfield outfit, his performance earned the plaudits of the opposition."Torres is such a big threat, with his running in behind you," Dunn told the Liverpool Daily Post. "Obviously as a team we knew that and dropped deeper. He makes those runs and is such a handful."But Dirk Kuyt, in my opinion, is just as important. He is such an unselfish player and gives just as much to the side. He plays a number of positions, works his socks off for the team and never stops running."He's very, very good but maybe doesn't always get as much credit as he deserves.

"Torres set Liverpool on their way with two goals before the interval, the first of which was a genuine goal of the season contender.The Spaniard has started only 15 of 32 league games this season but has now netted 11 goals in that time.And while Dunn is convinced the availability of Torres for longer periods would have enhanced Liverpool's title chances, he believes every challenger is affected by injuries to key members."I'm sure they would have got a lot more points if he hadn't been injured for parts of the season, without a shadow of a doubt," he added. "He's a top, top player."I know what people will say, but I'm not sure it would have made a difference in where the title ends up though. United have had their injury problems, likewise Chelsea, and over the season I think that balances out. The best team will win the league over the whole course of things."Of the game, Dunn added: "We set our stall out, but weren't great. Take nothing away from Liverpool, they're a top side, and that's why they are where they are in the league and still in cup competitions. But it was disappointing."It's not nice to get beaten by four, whoever you're playing, and we are all unhappy at the scoreline."

by **PabloAimar** » Mon Apr 13, 2009 11:55 pm

bring back bernard diomede

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