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by **redbeergoggles** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:05 pm

Complacency is a simple word ,but with many connotations ,anyone who read between the lines of Carraghers statements before the match with Chelsea would know this .
While I can certainly understand the tedium of drawing Chelsea again ,was enough to feel hard done by, Carragher in his interview only just managed to stifle a yawn .
I think the saying "Familiarity breeds contempt " sums up Chelsea's performance at Anfield in contrast to our attitude ,put simply Chelsea were angry at drawing Liverpool once more, and every player was fired up to disperse with this annoyance with said contempt .
The way the Chelsea midfield set about reducing the potency of Gerrard was clever by any teams standards ,in fact to say Chelsea brushed us aside would be a serious understatement ,Ballack shrugged of his usual lethargy, and Essien was a colossus closing down every Reds foray that threatened to get near their area .
Chelsea on that performance are the best team I have seen at Anfield all season,whether they have the determination or inclination to play this well again I can't say ,but perhaps if Liverpool had shown a modicum of the hatred Chelsea had for this fixture, instead of the acceptance of going through the motions ,then who knows .
I do know at Anfield on Wednesday the crowd could sense the sway in the pattern of the game in Chelsea's favour ,and were ill at ease at Chelsea's surprising dominance ,to imply Liverpool were not at the races would be doing a disservice to every race go-er ,Liverpool never got near the starting tape ,Mascherano will never be missed more than he was that night ,the void he left in our midfield was a chasm ,and the less said about Riera's total capitulation the better .
I pray the lethargy shown in this game is now out of our system ,and we can get back to seriously playing teams off the proverbial park,we should write this game off as an enigma, one that despite our sparkling form, had the effrontery to rear its ugly head once more .

by **tubby** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:07 pm

The damage may be already done but we just have to hope we start well and maybe get a bit of luck on the way.

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:14 pm

This tie's in nicely with what I have posted I draws me back tot he question are some of our players good enuff to handle this type of pressure.

It all comes down to as rafa puts it fu.ckus (focus)

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I like how the team is setup atm but do I trust 50% of the players to keep there heads when needed do I feck I just sit there thinking arba's gonna do something stupid doss is gonna give away pen.

50% of our players give me heart attacks every time I see them on the ball , yeah I know this is football and mistakes happen but man I gonna need tripple heart bypass by the time I am 40 at this rate.
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by **redbeergoggles** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:16 pm

Its not an impossible scenario to envisage Liverpool winning by 3 goals just implausible Bav ,if we show any percentage of the lack of heart we showed the other night ,then the conclusion will be inevitable ,but I still believe anything is possible in football ,but we have to be at our marrauding best fella anything else will not suffice

by **Number 9** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:18 pm

Hmmmn! Complacency...... theres a word.
Skrtel is the definition of the word IMO,No its not just a knee jerk reaction after the other night.I've been thinking it for quite a while.Complacent and inconsistant sum him up nicely i feel.The guy has some great games but he's far from reliable when your backs are against the wall.If he is to be a long term replacement for Carra or Hyypia we are in trouble,he'll never be near their standards!

I dont really think we were complacent the other night,we did'nt play anywhere near our best.But Chelsea just clicked.Thats the best they have played all season by a mile.Just bad luck it was us on that night.
The tiredness mentioned does worry me a bit,but we'll see how tired the lads our tomorrow!

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:19 pm

redbeergoggles wrote:Its not an impossible scenario to envisage Liverpool winning by 3 goals just implausible Bav ,if we show any percentage of the lack of heart we showed the other night ,then the conclusion will be inevitable ,but I still believe anything is possible in football ,but we have to be at our marrauding best fella anything else will not suffice

I agree if we get our selfs up for it focus at what needs to be done IE. scoring 3 goals and defence has a top game we can do it.

But its alot to ask , but hell they can do it we got 3 goals vrs a better team in 45 mins so believe people believe !!!! :buttrock

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:22 pm

Number 9 wrote:Hmmmn! Complacency...... theres a word.
Skrtel is the definition of the word IMO,No its not just a knee jerk reaction after the other night.I've been thinking it for quite a while.Complacent and inconsistant sum him up nicely i feel.The guy has some great games but he's far from reliable when your backs are against the wall.If he is to be a long term replacement for Carra or Hyypia we are in trouble,he'll never be near their standards!

I dont really think we were complacent the other night,we did'nt play anywhere near our best.But Chelsea just clicked.Thats the best they have played all season by a mile.Just bad luck it was us on that night.
The tiredness mentioned does worry me a bit,but we'll see how tired the lads our tomorrow!

I agree that game he had vrs engand musta realy rocked his confidence cos since then he has looked al over the place.

We say he is hard man yet from corners never looks up for the challange for fighting for position.

It fact it angers me alot way he is going about his football atm I miss razor so much if we had him in our team nowa days we would hardly every lose goals from corners.

I would go as far as say play sami in next game vrs chavs as he will offor alot more.

by **tubby** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:28 pm

Yeah agree about Skrtel but is Sammy the answer? I know he is experienced but against a side like Chelsea he would not be able to keep up pace wise. Drogba is a handful as it is for Carra.

by **Madmax** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:34 pm

Good post that redbeer....

Firmly feel we missed macha alot. We just didnt know how to cope with chelsea attacks and when we attacked we couldnt even get past them. just a bad bad day.. Miracles are possible but i dont know if will get one in this tie.

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:34 pm

bavlondon wrote:Yeah agree about Skrtel but is Sammy the answer? I know he is experienced but against a side like Chelsea he would not be able to keep up pace wise. Drogba is a handful as it is for Carra.

yeah we lost 2 goals from corners I think stopping that is the first thing.

Plus is skrtel even that much faster then sami don't look it from what I seen.

But this is what I said in prem section way to stop chavs is formation like this.

RB CB CB LB
DM
<---CM CM--->
RM LM
CF

Have 2 CM covering the wings and DM prob masch breaking up any thing down middle.

Since chavs have a dutch manager its clear he only knows one way to set up a team thats 4-3-3 , Its great formation but you can counter attack it easy if you break up play on wings then use that area quick to your advantage.

by **tubby** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:36 pm

Sounds easy when you put it like that. Will just have to wait and see how Rafa decides to play it. Will be interesting as it's the first time we have had to do this in Europe. Away from home I mean....and not counting the final in 2005.

by **redbeergoggles** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:40 pm

Number 9 wrote:Hmmmn! Complacency...... theres a word.
Skrtel is the definition of the word IMO,No its not just a knee jerk reaction after the other night.I've been thinking it for quite a while.Complacent and inconsistant sum him up nicely i feel.The guy has some great games but he's far from reliable when your backs are against the wall.If he is to be a long term replacement for Carra or Hyypia we are in trouble,he'll never be near their standards!

I dont really think we were complacent the other night,we did'nt play anywhere near our best.But Chelsea just clicked.Thats the best they have played all season by a mile.Just bad luck it was us on that night.
The tiredness mentioned does worry me a bit,but we'll see how tired the lads our tomorrow!

Aggers omission from these games is becoming more and more concerning surely his mobility and distribution would have been essential against Drogba's speed ,Skrtel is an important cog in the machine, but surely if him and Agger are the future ,then he should be integrated into the team in some capacity this season.
I love Carra in defence he is our rock, but his distribution is poor ,his reading of the game is second to none ,and he's a legend at Liverpool and will always be so,but you can not ignore what attributes Agger would bring to the team whether played with Carra or Skrtel .

by **LegBarnes** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:41 pm

bavlondon wrote:Sounds easy when you put it like that. Will just have to wait and see how Rafa decides to play it. Will be interesting as it's the first time we have had to do this in Europe. Away from home I mean....and not counting the final in 2005.

Wel it ain't eas but I feel we have team for it.

Every formation has a plus but also clear weaknesses.

Problem is it's not every day in prem you come up vrs a top dutch manager putting out a solid 4-3-3 formation.

Its one of best attacking formations around and if you know how to set it up it can hurt no end.

But germans was one of first to work away around if I remeber right and they basicly hit holland on counter down the flanks.

Only thing is you need pace on wings for it to work 100% and we don't have tons of that but torres is always a good outlet.

In the chavs favor tho they have fast FB which in 4-3-3 is massive.

But it can work with the right work being done on training field.

by **Number 9** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:50 pm

redbeergoggles wrote:
Number 9 wrote:Hmmmn! Complacency...... theres a word.
Skrtel is the definition of the word IMO,No its not just a knee jerk reaction after the other night.I've been thinking it for quite a while.Complacent and inconsistant sum him up nicely i feel.The guy has some great games but he's far from reliable when your backs are against the wall.If he is to be a long term replacement for Carra or Hyypia we are in trouble,he'll never be near their standards!

I dont really think we were complacent the other night,we did'nt play anywhere near our best.But Chelsea just clicked.Thats the best they have played all season by a mile.Just bad luck it was us on that night.
The tiredness mentioned does worry me a bit,but we'll see how tired the lads our tomorrow!

Aggers omission from these games is becoming more and more concerning surely his mobility and distribution would have been essential against Drogba's speed ,Skrtel is an important cog in the machine, but surely if him and Agger are the future ,then he should be integrated into the team in some capacity this season.
I love Carra in defence he is our rock, but his distribution is poor ,his reading of the game is second to none ,and he's a legend at Liverpool and will always be so,but you can not ignore what attributes Agger would bring to the team whether played with Carra or Skrtel .

Mate if him and Agger are the future we are fu'cked!Think of Carra and Hyypia in your team and think of Agger and Skrtel...Theres just light years in quality between the two pairings.
As I said it worries me,i dont have anywhere near the same belief in either of them that Carra and Hyypia deserved over the years.

by **Sir Roger** » Fri Apr 10, 2009 4:50 pm

I dont know whether complacency is the right word?
I think we were up for it and wanted to beat them
I think we were confident after beating them twice in the league.
Maybe if we were complacent it was the thought that it was europe and in front of a home crowd.
If it would have been any other team I am pretty sure we would have won.
I fear that chelsea, in europe, now have the upper hand on us

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