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heimdall wrote:

Bam wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:

Bam wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:Rafa was outwitted
Basically it was a smash and grab with three sucker punches. Two corners and a one two three in the back of the net. Aurellio was awful and mostly to blame for allowing Drogba to race past him and slot the third. But to be honest the whole of the back four were shi.tting themselves of Drogba.
Alonso was poor. Lucas average at best. Gerrard was shackled and Torres was starved. Riera and Kuyt (except for the backheel) were ineffective. The only time we used width and played round the back was for the goal. The rest of the time we were too narrow (again) and pumped high balls which Terry ate up. We had no creativity and played right into their hands with our tactics. A poor show overall and Chelsea did a job on us. Even if we dont win over the two legs I hope to see a better display from the team who smashed madrid, bashed the mancs and mashed villa

Rafa was not 'outwitted', Roger the cabin boy.

Really? So Rafa outwitted Huddink?
I see.
So the scoreline was false?

Hiddink is a good manager, But I dont think he outwitted Rafa unless of course he planned on going a goal down., his team played better, end of.

Is it hard to see with those blinkers on.

Of course Rafa was outwitted, Gus completely nullified Liverpool my man marking Gerrard and thereby also nullifying Nando, it's weird than no other managers have thought of doing this but I bet a few might now. If you take Stevie out of the game then we have nothing in attack, THAT is the problem with our side it is completely reliant on Torres and Gerrard, not many options or possibilities if they get nullified is there Rafa you fecking genius you!

We were absolutely woefull again last night, pathetic display and wilted against an excellent Chelsea team which was set up masterfully by Hiddink. What fecks me off is that yet again Rafa had no plan B, I could see even before we scored that it wasn't really working and it was going to be tough for us yet Rafa makes no alterations, just blunders on and leads us into defeat, and he's here how many more years. 

heimdall wrote:duplicate post

Bam wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Bam wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:

Bam wrote:

Sir Roger wrote:Rafa was outwitted
Basically it was a smash and grab with three sucker punches. Two corners and a one two three in the back of the net. Aurellio was awful and mostly to blame for allowing Drogba to race past him and slot the third. But to be honest the whole of the back four were shi.tting themselves of Drogba.
Alonso was poor. Lucas average at best. Gerrard was shackled and Torres was starved. Riera and Kuyt (except for the backheel) were ineffective. The only time we used width and played round the back was for the goal. The rest of the time we were too narrow (again) and pumped high balls which Terry ate up. We had no creativity and played right into their hands with our tactics. A poor show overall and Chelsea did a job on us. Even if we dont win over the two legs I hope to see a better display from the team who smashed madrid, bashed the mancs and mashed villa

Rafa was not 'outwitted', Roger the cabin boy.

Really? So Rafa outwitted Huddink?
I see.
So the scoreline was false?

Hiddink is a good manager, But I dont think he outwitted Rafa unless of course he planned on going a goal down., his team played better, end of.

Is it hard to see with those blinkers on.

Of course Rafa was outwitted, Gus completely nullified Liverpool my man marking Gerrard and thereby also nullifying Nando, it's weird than no other managers have thought of doing this but I bet a few might now. If you take Stevie out of the game then we have nothing in attack, THAT is the problem with our side it is completely reliant on Torres and Gerrard, not many options or possibilities if they get nullified is there Rafa you fecking genius you!

We were absolutely woefull again last night, pathetic display and wilted against an excellent Chelsea team which was set up masterfully by Hiddink. What fecks me off is that yet again Rafa had no plan B, I could see even before we scored that it wasn't really working and it was going to be tough for us yet Rafa makes no alterations, just blunders on and leads us into defeat, and he's here how many more years. 

Do not accuse me of having blinkers on you morbid individual.

No, for once I do not believe Rafa was outwitted, like I said if going a goal down was Hiddinks plan and scoring goals from poor defending then yes I'd agree with you.

Gerrard was no more 'nulfified' by Chelsea than he was at ManU a few weeks back. Torres found more space against Chelsea than he did against Man.U. By this notion do we conclude that every match one by a team is one by the manager outwitting the other. Individual mistakes, team mistakes and quite frankly a team turning up and simply playing better is irrelavant unless the manager gets the plaudits for outwitting the other. It is not so simple as that Hemidall, if it was do you honestly bel;ieve Rafa would of sent the players out in the second half playing an open game ? If he was physically able to operate each player he would of closed the game down. The fact is neither Hiddink nor Rafa outwitted eachother like you'd want us to believe. You need to hold your hands up and appreciate that two teams went out there and were caught up in the atmosphere, adrenaline pumping playing good football.

Yes Hiddink stuck Essein on Gerrard, and Kalou played instead of Anelka which lookiing back were good deciosions tactically. But we did not loose becasue of some astute managing. We lost for more reasons than just that, individual errors, team errors, being second best, missing a few chances and so on.

Torres found more space than he has done before in this fixture, if Hiddinks plan was to leave Terry falt on his a/rse while Torres rounded him and shot wide then I'd agree that they were 'outwitted' decisions made by Hiddink.

I am not disregarding the mangers influence just that it was not simply a fact of one manager outwitting the other. We started at high tempo scored an ealry goal, but seen as Torres was nulified that contradicts what you've been saying.

Many more factors are amongst this result than simply one manager outwitting the other.

morbid?? So now I'm fascinated by death am I or do you perhaps not really know the meaning of the word. 

Gerrard and Torres had more freedom than against Manure did he, wow I must have been watching the wrong fecking game, what was the final score in the game you were watching mate, did we win in cloud cuckoo land?

Your arguing style is akin to a toddler, "so it must have been Gus's plan to go a goal down then" brilliant, just brilliant that completely destroys my point that Chelsea dominated us the whole match apart from the first few minutes, even then I could see that Cheslea were set up much better than us.

GYBS wrote:

heimdall wrote:duplicate post

would he ? which player has he ever played up front out of position then ?

Kuyt ?   

dawson99 wrote:...and i never got any

neither did I.

I will tonight tho 

heimdall wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

heimdall wrote:were yo happy with Rafa last night did he do anything inspired or genius?

I think you should swap Rafa's name, into a few players names they let us down not the boss.

Blaming Rafa is pathetic.

This is what annoys me on this forum how big letters do I need to use to get through to some of you.

I AM NOT BLAMING RAFA FOR THE FECKING LOSS!

But I am very disappointed with his tactics and subs yet again and btw GYBS the substitution was forced on whiskey nose but I bet you that Rafa would have played someone out of position rather than giving a first game to a 17 year.

You are not even talking about tactics, but hypothetcial scenarios you fanny 

GYBS wrote:Heimdall just give it a rest ok .

heimdall wrote:I could see that Cheslea were set up much better than us.

heimdall wrote:

GYBS wrote:Heimdall just give it a rest ok .

Oh come one that was funny wasn't it, just a bit, a tiny bit?
I swear that one day I will make you smile GYBS, I will show you what a sense of humour is I promise.

Bam wrote:

heimdall wrote:

Ciggy wrote:

heimdall wrote:were yo happy with Rafa last night did he do anything inspired or genius?

I think you should swap Rafa's name, into a few players names they let us down not the boss.

Blaming Rafa is pathetic.

This is what annoys me on this forum how big letters do I need to use to get through to some of you.

I AM NOT BLAMING RAFA FOR THE FECKING LOSS!

But I am very disappointed with his tactics and subs yet again and btw GYBS the substitution was forced on whiskey nose but I bet you that Rafa would have played someone out of position rather than giving a first game to a 17 year.

You are not even talking about tactics, but hypothetcial scenarios you fanny 

Greavesie wrote:Heimdall the second Rafa puts a kid on when we're a goal down in a game you'll be the first to go off on one. Fergie's only a genius cos the little sh!t scored. If he didn't and they drew he would have got slated for taking such a risk. Thin line between hero and failure mate