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heimdall wrote:Do you actually have a sense of humour, even a small one?

heimdall wrote:

GYBS wrote:Im pretty sure there is some sort of feedback and channels open between liverpool and the loan clubs and players

So Hammil and the other fella are just talking sh1t are they, you somehow know better than they do perhaps?

Our squad is way too big and we are wasting money, I would rather we had a squad of 24 excellent players instead of 14 excellent players plus 50 odd distinctly average players. Wouldn't that make more sense?
Why do we need a squad of 60 players?

Totally agree that someone from the club should be keeping these loaned out players in the loop, not necessarily Rafa though.

heimdall wrote:

GYBS wrote:what other fella ? and are you that naive to think that rafa doesnt take an interest in the players out on loan ?

How much do you think it would cost us to get 24 excellent players then ?

Most of those 60 players are young kids who could work out or who couldnt work out - where as its a main bunch of 23 that play in the first team . the rest are in the ressies or under 18 so it works out at around 20 players per squad plus the academy lads .

Even if only ten per cent of those kids turn out good enough thats 4 or 5 players that could easily save us up to 50 odd million .

Well at the moment we are 5 years in with a 0% return on all those young kids, not too good imo if you compare us with Manure and Arsenal. 

Ace Ventura wrote:

GYBS wrote:But what backs up that you think he is better than lucas ? a couple of 20 min cameo slots ? Yes he may show he is good in the ressies league but up against the best the prem has to offer is a totally different matter . And its not a lack of faith - it was an extremely important game and the manager went with the experience of a established player as opposed to a totally untried youngster and we all saw that the manager got it spot on .

Well am not being funny but he couldnt have done much worse than what Lucas has done for the majority of the season.
He hasnt been given a chance while Lucas was underperforming right they way through the season.
Yes i can see Rafa's reasoning - trying to show Lucas he still had faith in him despite the disgusting reactions of some of our fans to him-  thats not a bad thing.
But Spearing hasnt been given that sort of support.
No he has not played at the same level as the brazilian but he also hasnt been given the chance and that is because he came up through our youth system.

The only player you named who has really figured this season is Insua and he was a Rafa signing that cost over a million so not really developed by us.

I am not advocating throwing a load of kids in and being OTT, just stating that the ones who actually look good enough have no way been given a fair crack of the whip.

s@int wrote:Chris Eagles £1,250,000
Gerard Pique £6,000,000
Phil Bardsley £2,000,000
Ryan Shawcross £1,000,000
Giuseppe Rossi £6,700,000
Kieran Richardson £5,500,000

Thats in the last two years anyway.

Lando_Griffin wrote:

heimdall wrote:

GYBS wrote:Im pretty sure there is some sort of feedback and channels open between liverpool and the loan clubs and players

So Hammil and the other fella are just talking sh1t are they, you somehow know better than they do perhaps?

Our squad is way too big and we are wasting money, I would rather we had a squad of 24 excellent players instead of 14 excellent players plus 50 odd distinctly average players. Wouldn't that make more sense?
Why do we need a squad of 60 players?

Totally agree that someone from the club should be keeping these loaned out players in the loop, not necessarily Rafa though.

24 players to play all the first team games, all the reserve matches and all the U18 games as well?

Sometimes it pays to look further than the end of your nose mate...

It averages out that there are 21 players per team.

That's about right in anyones book.

Well I was obviously not counting under 18's Lando, so I'll concede that one but would you rather have a smaller squad with higher quality or a vast squad with mostly players like we have?

The bottom line is that Manure and Arsenal are able to bring young players through much better than us. There is clearly something wrong with our setup and I'm not necessarily pointing the finger at Rafa but in 5 years not one youth player, and this is from a youth team that one back to back youth FA cup's, has broken into the first team! That means we are either an incredible team with awesome payers in each and every position plus incredible cover for those positions, I wish, or soemthing is wrong somewhere.

GYBS wrote:which youth players lately or during the last couple of years have they rbought through ? and dont include players they have boought at17/18 for millions cause that is what most of the mancs and arsenals ressies are full off. Insua has broken through , both spearing and darby have been involved plus el zhar . insua and el zhar were both purchased around 17 years but for small amounts where as darby or spearing both came from the under 18s . which top team has all these young kids coming through while still maintaining a challenge for trophies ?