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by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:43 pm

ok, so pollution is cr@p, whats the next conspiracy for us to debunk?

by **JoeTerp** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:49 pm

Although I do want to be clear that we still need to invest in green tech and stuff. Mostly for economic reasons. And keeping bio diversity is important, but I don't like being deceived by scientists with an agenda. I do think that we have a serious population problem, and greener more efficient cities could help to make that problem have less dire consequences

by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 7:50 pm

JoeTerp wrote:Although I do want to be clear that we still need to invest in green tech and stuff. Mostly for economic reasons. And keeping bio diversity is important, but I don't like being deceived by scientists with an agenda. I do think that we have a serious population problem, and greener more efficient cities could help to make that problem have less dire consequences

so we need to get rid of stupid people (anyone whos seen idiocracy will know what i mean) or at least have an IQ test when reproducing

by **Madmax** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:14 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Judge wrote:
Madmax wrote:proved theory---- i am gay ....
Anyway war on terror, hidden agenda of US government, 9/11 ? Conspiracies......

Yeah i love dic'k me,no denying it!
Its just my thing..they call me coc'k loving alan where im from!

They are right!
You are a disgrace!

by **Scottbot** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 8:25 pm

JoeTerp wrote:Although I do want to be clear that we still need to invest in green tech and stuff. Mostly for economic reasons. And keeping bio diversity is important, but I don't like being deceived by scientists with an agenda. I do think that we have a serious population problem, and greener more efficient cities could help to make that problem have less dire consequences

Agree whole-heartedly on that but the world has gone crazy with the carbon-footprint bollo..x. It has extended into EVERYTHING you do now. Even the bloody cash-point (ATM for you Joe!) tries to make you feel guilty now if you want a receipt! Course it's nothing to do with the bank saving money....You should see how much paper we waste at my college on a daily basis!

by **JoeTerp** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:33 pm

no just a smarter, cheaper, better way to design cities .

by **JBG** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 12:57 am

Er, there's irrefutable evidence that there is global warming, the vast majority of the scientific community agree that there will be a 2 degree mean temperature increase globally by the end of this century, the "only" debate is whether the increase will be greater than two degrees and whether or not it can be combatted.

by **LegBarnes** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:54 am

JBG wrote:Er, there's irrefutable evidence that there is global warming, the vast majority of the scientific community agree that there will be a 2 degree mean temperature increase globally by the end of this century, the "only" debate is whether the increase will be greater than two degrees and whether or not it can be combatted.

dude don't stress ya self it might go up a few more degrees but it ain't nothing that ain't happened before lmao.

Its just like mankind to think they are ones that are destroying something as powerful as a planet it makes me laught the real truth is we are the planets slaves and it made us bcos it couldn't make plastic so once we made enuff of that it will kill us all and it can finaly build its own bog brush.

by **Judge** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:11 am

we are in an interglacial period folks

by **aCe'** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:41 am

JBG wrote:Er, there's irrefutable evidence that there is global warming, the vast majority of the scientific community agree that there will be a 2 degree mean temperature increase globally by the end of this century, the "only" debate is whether the increase will be greater than two degrees and whether or not it can be combatted.

Sorry man but what you’re saying is just BS to me...

The whole debate isn’t about whether temperatures are actually increasing or not... doesn’t take a scientist to figure out they are...

The debate is mainly about human activity leading to alarming increases in temperatures.... which is basically where the argument falls to pieces..

THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE OR EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE that suggests that human activity (co2 or the other gases- emissions) are causing the increases in temperature... in the contrary... some of the hottest years in the planets history came long before CO2 emissions were even significant...

Furthermore, the increases in temperature over the last decade or so haven’t been anywhere near as drastic as some seem to suggest... in fact if you look at the history of changes in the planet’s temperature you'll see that its merely a continuation of the trend.... if anything... going by that... we'll soon be noticing DECREASES in temperature and eventually have an ice age sometime soon because that’s the way things go...

You seem like an old fella.. Surely you were around some 20 or 30 years ago when all the talk was about global cooling ? guess what.. they were using the same arguments they are now... and guess what.. most of the people talking about global warming today were talking about global cooling not so long ago...

what’s the difference?... the potential of making more money ... politics ... rent seeking.... the rich get richer and the fools think they’re saving the planet

by **JBG** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:05 pm

aCe' wrote:
JBG wrote:Er, there's irrefutable evidence that there is global warming, the vast majority of the scientific community agree that there will be a 2 degree mean temperature increase globally by the end of this century, the "only" debate is whether the increase will be greater than two degrees and whether or not it can be combatted.

Sorry man but what you’re saying is just BS to me...

The whole debate isn’t about whether temperatures are actually increasing or not... doesn’t take a scientist to figure out they are...

The debate is mainly about human activity leading to alarming increases in temperatures.... which is basically where the argument falls to pieces..

THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE OR EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE that suggests that human activity (co2 or the other gases- emissions) are causing the increases in temperature... in the contrary... some of the hottest years in the planets history came long before CO2 emissions were even significant...

Furthermore, the increases in temperature over the last decade or so haven’t been anywhere near as drastic as some seem to suggest... in fact if you look at the history of changes in the planet’s temperature you'll see that its merely a continuation of the trend.... if anything... going by that... we'll soon be noticing DECREASES in temperature and eventually have an ice age sometime soon because that’s the way things go...

You seem like an old fella.. Surely you were around some 20 or 30 years ago when all the talk was about global cooling ? guess what.. they were using the same arguments they are now... and guess what.. most of the people talking about global warming today were talking about global cooling not so long ago...

what’s the difference?... the potential of making more money ... politics ... rent seeking.... the rich get richer and the fools think they’re saving the planet

Er, you're not particulaly well informed here, are you?

There have been numerous "hot" and "cold" phases in the earth's past. Hot and cold phases in the past have been terminable for the majority of large mammal spieces: the science behind that is overwhelming and accepted for at least 50 years. Previous hot and cold periods in the earth's history have been caused by catasrophic global events such as enormous and multiple volcano eruptions emitting trillions of tons of dust and sulphur into the atmosphere and asteroid impacts.

A two degree mean increase this century is a 2 degree average across the planet, which means someplaces will get hotter than others. Even a two degree increase would place an extraordinary burden on ecosystems, agriculture and water supplies across the world and many areas, such as Australia, China, India, Pakistan and the Middle East which are at breaking point already, simply won't cope.

Two degrees increase is the UN's body on climate control's own forecast and this is based on the consensus of the majority of the world's climate ccontrol scientists. However, this figure has been lambasted by a large minority of distinguished global warming scientists - principle among them James Lovelock - who say that it is a gross underestimate and that we are now beyond the point of no return where we are paying for damage caused to the environment made in the 19th century and that it is now largely pointless trying to stop it as it is already happening.

I agree that we are "slaves" to the planet: in the long run the planet will survive but it will do so by changing to a warmer state which may last tens of thousands of years before reverting back to a cold period again: it has done so in the past and will do so again. Whether mankind will survive in its current form - 6 billion people on the planet - is whats really the issue of debate.

As for the ozone layer problems: it didn't go away. Conveniently for mankind the hole in the ozone made its way down to Antartica and is slowly shrinking due to a massive reduction in CFC use over the past 30 years.

As for acid rain, er, it hasn't gone away. Just ask people in India and China.

I agree wholeheartedly with your point on the nonsense of green politics, however. Recycling won't make any difference, nor will wind turbines and eco fuel, which is merely a short term way for some people to get rich. The real solution for the energy crisis this century will have to be nuclear fuel.

by **Judge** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:25 pm

the little ice age

read this link - its easy english and may help some folk understand climate change!!

there are many other links to investigate under the theme of ''little ice age''

by **JBG** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:28 pm

Did anybody read the article in the Sunday Times a few weeks ago on the near extinction of the native English bee? Scary stuff, as plants (and more importantly for humans) agriculture depend on the bee for polinisation.

by **account deleted by request** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:11 pm

I hadn't read it JBG, I knew that the USA was having huge problems, but didn't realise we were experiencing similar problems over here.

LINK TO TIMES ARTICLE ON BEES.

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:24 pm

saw it happen in Bee Movie, scary stuff

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