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by **redbeergoggles** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:13 pm

I never rated Keane ,but I thought he showed a lot of humility when he left us in not slating the manager or the club ,It seems now he was just biding his time (disappointed and not just in his goalscoring capabilities ).

by **GOAT_2.0** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:14 pm

GYBS wrote:Robbie Keane: I'm a wan.ker!!

ah I see

by **heimdall** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:18 pm

JoeTerp wrote:Keane was becoming a huge distraction every time he didn't play or was subbed, do you not remember what January was like? And it wasn't like he was bringing in bags of goals either when he did play. Also, there is a chance that if he continued playing poorly for 6 more months and was 6 months older, his price tag would have fallen

You mean the price tag would have fallen even more than it already did. Isn't it strange how the price tag for a player who has his morale crushed falls?

I think when he was sold he needed to be sold BUT, and it is a huge but, Rafa really fecked up by selling him without getting someone else in as cover, at the moment we only have one striker and that is laughable for a top club.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:18 pm

"I do believe with a different manager it would have worked for me," Keane told Icon magazine.

"Different managers have different methods and some have different ideas than those you are used to or believe in."

"People have their own opinions of Benitez. I have nothing against him and will leave people to make their own minds up about him.

"When you've been around for a while as a player, all you want is a bit of respect and to be treated the way you feel you deserve to be."

I fail to see where Keane has slated the manager or the club?

by **heimdall** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:23 pm

redbeergoggles wrote:I never rated Keane ,but I thought he showed a lot of humility when he left us in not slating the manager or the club ,It seems now he was just biding his time (disappointed and not just in his goalscoring capabilities ).

So can I take it then that you've never slagged off an ex-boss or exteacher etc. If that is true then you are saintly my friend because I can assure you everyone else in the world does so why shouldn't Keane?
If he has been screwed around by Rafa then why shouldn't he be allowed to have a say.
You see this is the kind of double standards that annoys me on this forum, Rafa leaks anything and everything to the news and that is OK but if Keane comes out and quite politely points out that he didn't see eye to eye with Rafa, which in all honstey comes as no big revelation to me, then he gets called a w@nker.
It must be great to be so fair and level headed as the vocal minority on this site!

by **GOAT_2.0** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:27 pm

heimdall wrote:
redbeergoggles wrote:I never rated Keane ,but I thought he showed a lot of humility when he left us in not slating the manager or the club ,It seems now he was just biding his time (disappointed and not just in his goalscoring capabilities ).

So can I take it then that you've never slagged off an ex-boss or exteacher etc. If that is true then you are saintly my friend because I can assure you everyone else in the world does so why shouldn't Keane?
If he has been screwed around by Rafa then why shouldn't he be allowed to have a say.
You see this is the kind of double standards that annoys me on this forum, Rafa leaks anything and everything to the news and that is OK but if Keane comes out and quite politely points out that he didn't see eye to eye with Rafa, which in all honstey comes as no big revelation to me, then he gets called a w@nker.
It must be great to be so fair and level headed as the vocal minority on this site!

I was messin with the w.anker remark if that was aimed at me haha

by **redbeergoggles** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:34 pm

Maybe people should learn to read between the lines .
Different managers have different methods and some have different ideas than those you are used to or believe in.

This statement quite clearly defines, Keane never had any belief in Rafa and was at odds from the very beginning.

by **redbeergoggles** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:45 pm

heimdall wrote:
redbeergoggles wrote:I never rated Keane ,but I thought he showed a lot of humility when he left us in not slating the manager or the club ,It seems now he was just biding his time (disappointed and not just in his goalscoring capabilities ).

So can I take it then that you've never slagged off an ex-boss or exteacher etc. If that is true then you are saintly my friend because I can assure you everyone else in the world does so why shouldn't Keane?
If he has been screwed around by Rafa then why shouldn't he be allowed to have a say.
You see this is the kind of double standards that annoys me on this forum, Rafa leaks anything and everything to the news and that is OK but if Keane comes out and quite politely points out that he didn't see eye to eye with Rafa, which in all honstey comes as no big revelation to me, then he gets called a w@nker.
It must be great to be so fair and level headed as the vocal minority on this site!

Now that we are on the subject of annoying so enters, The psychic Norwegian ,listen fella everything you say lately irritates the life out of me ,thats why I usually do not reply to any of your inane posts ,so (For future reference may I ,politely of course suggest you ignore mine ) Its not a personal thing its just life is short, and I do not suffer fools :upside:

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:47 pm

Maybe Keane wasn't used to having a manager distance himself from a signing while the player was still at the club?

As for the rest :-
But I cannot criticise him in any way because, as I have said, he tried to do his best for us."

"Robbie was a very good professional, he was working hard and we didn't have any problems with him in the dressing room. "

Hardly sounds like a player causing problems (reading between the lines)

by **Dundalk** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:49 pm

It wasnt meant to be an in all fairness I think Keane walked away from it with his head held high. He didnt really say much to anyone about it and just got on with playing for Spurs

by **redbeergoggles** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:55 pm

Hardly stated he was causing problems ,but if there is any more of my posts you feel the need to pick through feel free to bump till your hearts content ,Im off out now ,but I will be back later (albeit slightly inebriated ) so have fun

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:59 pm

Not picking just pointing out the obvious flaws in your argument.

by **Sabre** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 9:19 pm

It's hard to know what happens so I try to base my speculation on known facts.

It's a fact for me that Rafa wanted Keane in the team, independently that we paid for him too much or he wanted other players done, it's a fact for me that Rafa was happy beforehand to have Keane.

It's a fact for me that from the moment in which Keane leaves and no replacement comes, the team is weaker. It's Rafa's responsability to bring the replacement.

However, and for what I read, I wouldn't say Rafa wanted Keane out in winter, rather, it seems Keane wanted to go because of incompatibilities.

I wonder what Keane thinks is being treated with respect. Was Alonso treated with "respect" when he was labeled as transferable? Well, I don't know, but Alonso did what he had to do, fight hard.

Was Mascherano treated with respect when, after an outstanding season he was benched this season? perhaps not, but he has shown us that he protests little and he soon has become the Mascherano we know.

Keane should have accepted to be substituted and benched like the Argie and the Spaniard. Those two are not less internationals than himself. Rafa seems to care little about what's the price tag or the status of a player, if he has to bench someone or label someone as transferable he does.

I don't know why Keane should think he's special. Not that he'd make it in the Spanish squad, not that he came to a little club, I don't know what he expected.

Anyhow, a debacle, in which I can see wrong both in Keane and Rafa. Because Rafa should have detected the kind of personality has beforehand, and should have warned him that there's nothing like a "sure place" in this team.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:02 pm

The only debacle from my point of view is that we didn't sign a replacement. If Rafa realised that Keane wasn't what we needed , the best and only real course of action was to sell him asap (while the chance was there)

If Keane didn't like the way he was treated and thought he should be an automatic first choice, he did the right thing in leaving.

The ONLY thing in my view that spoiled a happy parting of the ways was the lack of a suitable or even credible replacement for him.

I never really rated Keane, and certainly not for the role he was supposedly going to play, and the price we paid. I do however think he was better than our alternatives once he had gone.

I don't think he has slated Rafa (so far) and I don't think Rafa has slated Keane and thats as it should be. I think the media would love to turn it into a slanging match if they could.

So my only real concern is the lack of a credible replacement and maybe Rafa's comment seemingly distancing himself from Keane's purchase while he was still a Liverpool player.

If Rafa's decision to sell was based on securing his position rather than based on footballing reasons, that would be a huge concern as well.

by **Sabre** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 10:12 pm

How much have we lost on the Keane-gate (besides time)?

I mean, right now what's the difference of the sell and the buy of Keane, are there potential future bonuses?

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