Is rafa, - Being fair?

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Postby Sir Roger » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:28 pm

GYBS wrote:
oreilly wrote:
maybe he sodl him so we wouldnt pay the price, as if we sold him in the summer we would have had to pay spurs the full amount and wouldnt have got half of it back


Keane is a 8 out of 10 player. Maybe not a Torres or Gerrard. He certaintly deserved to be given a chance and people should have played to his strength, Rafa's arrogance and stubborn attitude towards forbidding any player to play with their natural flair as opposed to his maths of football is ruining liverpools rep worldwide, no neutral likes to watch us!

when did he ever play 8 out of 10 for us ? certainly wasnt enough times.

And yeah Bob can understand its not the best policy but maybe they wanted to save a bit of bit money to get a real top quality striker or player in during the summer and now they can with the money saved with keane

Are you still going on about Keane?
I though I said forget about him
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Seriously though just clear this point up for me:
Did Rafa want Keane in the first place or was he forced on him?
If he wanted him why didnt he give him time to settle?
If he didnt want him why did he play him at all if he was only looking for a way to get rid of him?
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Postby Madmax » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:45 pm

ah feck keane situation whatever happend was for the best i guess. The way he was treated and hardly given games resulted in his move back to spurs and it was better off that he went.. My main issue that im fuming over is we did not replace him. It was rumoured in december and early jan about heskey comming. When that was not an option we still should have thought ahead and secured a forward.. If we had bought someone good who knows how many more point we could have had now.. Maybe we still would have been in the F.a cup!
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:58 am

GYBS wrote:max if you havent got anything more worthwhile than to insult me suggest you just keep it quiet and stick to your riddles while the grown ups talk football .

funny you mention riddles when you're the one often asking stupid questions, cause arguments and post stupid pics of a broken record over 6 times. hypocrite.

and no Max its not a bad day  :D its just the red-font yank.
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Postby Flight » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:15 am

oreilly wrote:
maybe he sodl him so we wouldnt pay the price, as if we sold him in the summer we would have had to pay spurs the full amount and wouldnt have got half of it back


Keane is a 8 out of 10 player. Maybe not a Torres or Gerrard. He certaintly deserved to be given a chance and people should have played to his strength, Rafa's arrogance and stubborn attitude towards forbidding any player to play with their natural flair as opposed to his maths of football is ruining liverpools rep worldwide, no neutral likes to watch us!

Keane was given more than a chance. He started 14 out of the first 17 games.

And the tabloid lies about him being dropped after scoring are rubbish. That happened twice - one was against Newcastle, when he had just played two games in five days (and was also our best performance of the season) and the other was against Spurs when he didn't even make the bench.

Every chance he got he was extremely poor. The most telling thing and the last straw was that his team mates stopped looking for him with the ball.

He bottled it and wasn't capable of learning what the training staff were trying to teach him.
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Postby Kharhaz » Sat Mar 07, 2009 1:07 am

Flight wrote:Keane was given more than a chance. He started 14 out of the first 17 games.

And the tabloid lies about him being dropped after scoring are rubbish. That happened twice - one was against Newcastle, when he had just played two games in five days (and was also our best performance of the season) and the other was against Spurs when he didn't even make the bench.

Every chance he got he was extremely poor. The most telling thing and the last straw was that his team mates stopped looking for him with the ball.

He bottled it and wasn't capable of learning what the training staff were trying to teach him.

That is a poor argument for rafas decision to get rid. Can you imagine ferguson showing a similiar attitude for ronaldo. In his first season he was awful but he came good or indeed you can look at our own club at our own Ian Rush, his first season or so he was very poor and look at what happened. Keane was struggling to find some kind of form but when he did, and he started to score he was subbed then dropped for the next game.

In all fairness, what chance did he have? to find form? only to be punished for showing glimpses of doing so. No rafa didnt want him here for one reason or another.
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Postby Owzat » Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:49 am

Flight wrote:
oreilly wrote:
maybe he sodl him so we wouldnt pay the price, as if we sold him in the summer we would have had to pay spurs the full amount and wouldnt have got half of it back


Keane is a 8 out of 10 player. Maybe not a Torres or Gerrard. He certaintly deserved to be given a chance and people should have played to his strength, Rafa's arrogance and stubborn attitude towards forbidding any player to play with their natural flair as opposed to his maths of football is ruining liverpools rep worldwide, no neutral likes to watch us!

Keane was given more than a chance. He started 14 out of the first 17 games.

And the tabloid lies about him being dropped after scoring are rubbish. That happened twice - one was against Newcastle, when he had just played two games in five days (and was also our best performance of the season) and the other was against Spurs when he didn't even make the bench.

Every chance he got he was extremely poor. The most telling thing and the last straw was that his team mates stopped looking for him with the ball.

He bottled it and wasn't capable of learning what the training staff were trying to teach him.

He started 13 out of the first 17 games, made four subs appearances of 5, 4, 20 and 1 mins respectively. He started 15 of the first 19 games.

Bit harsh to say "Every chance he got he was extremely poor", he missed chances but he wasn't poor every game and it was mainly his misses that got the criticism.

I'd love to know the real reason he was a) bought and b) sold, rather than theories on here. Someone felt he was worth paying £20.3m for, why then did someone (possibly someone else) decide to sell six months down the line?!? A goal every four appearances isn't great, but six months isn't a long time to turn it around.

Then again maybe the selective fans on here deserved him being sold, the ones that backed Keane when they didn't do the same for Voronin :-

Voronin - 6 goals in 28 apps (1586 mins, 264 mins/goal)
Keane - 7 goals in 28 apps (1801 mins, 257 mins/goal)

Keane scored 3 goals in his last 5 appearances in a Liverpool shirt, Voronin scored 2 goals in his last 5 appearances and in a Liverpool shirt. Keane was back by a few on here, was Voronin?!?  ???
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Postby maypaxvobiscum » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:26 pm

Owzat wrote:
Flight wrote:
oreilly wrote:
maybe he sodl him so we wouldnt pay the price, as if we sold him in the summer we would have had to pay spurs the full amount and wouldnt have got half of it back


Keane is a 8 out of 10 player. Maybe not a Torres or Gerrard. He certaintly deserved to be given a chance and people should have played to his strength, Rafa's arrogance and stubborn attitude towards forbidding any player to play with their natural flair as opposed to his maths of football is ruining liverpools rep worldwide, no neutral likes to watch us!

Keane was given more than a chance. He started 14 out of the first 17 games.

And the tabloid lies about him being dropped after scoring are rubbish. That happened twice - one was against Newcastle, when he had just played two games in five days (and was also our best performance of the season) and the other was against Spurs when he didn't even make the bench.

Every chance he got he was extremely poor. The most telling thing and the last straw was that his team mates stopped looking for him with the ball.

He bottled it and wasn't capable of learning what the training staff were trying to teach him.

He started 13 out of the first 17 games, made four subs appearances of 5, 4, 20 and 1 mins respectively. He started 15 of the first 19 games.

Bit harsh to say "Every chance he got he was extremely poor", he missed chances but he wasn't poor every game and it was mainly his misses that got the criticism.

I'd love to know the real reason he was a) bought and b) sold, rather than theories on here. Someone felt he was worth paying £20.3m for, why then did someone (possibly someone else) decide to sell six months down the line?!? A goal every four appearances isn't great, but six months isn't a long time to turn it around.

Then again maybe the selective fans on here deserved him being sold, the ones that backed Keane when they didn't do the same for Voronin :-

Voronin - 6 goals in 28 apps (1586 mins, 264 mins/goal)
Keane - 7 goals in 28 apps (1801 mins, 257 mins/goal)

Keane scored 3 goals in his last 5 appearances in a Liverpool shirt, Voronin scored 2 goals in his last 5 appearances and in a Liverpool shirt. Keane was back by a few on here, was Voronin?!?  ???

yes. me. i liked what i saw of him during his first few matches and thought he makes good runs.
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Postby Sir Roger » Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:34 pm

Owzat wrote:
Flight wrote:
oreilly wrote:
maybe he sodl him so we wouldnt pay the price, as if we sold him in the summer we would have had to pay spurs the full amount and wouldnt have got half of it back


Keane is a 8 out of 10 player. Maybe not a Torres or Gerrard. He certaintly deserved to be given a chance and people should have played to his strength, Rafa's arrogance and stubborn attitude towards forbidding any player to play with their natural flair as opposed to his maths of football is ruining liverpools rep worldwide, no neutral likes to watch us!

Keane was given more than a chance. He started 14 out of the first 17 games.

And the tabloid lies about him being dropped after scoring are rubbish. That happened twice - one was against Newcastle, when he had just played two games in five days (and was also our best performance of the season) and the other was against Spurs when he didn't even make the bench.

Every chance he got he was extremely poor. The most telling thing and the last straw was that his team mates stopped looking for him with the ball.

He bottled it and wasn't capable of learning what the training staff were trying to teach him.

He started 13 out of the first 17 games, made four subs appearances of 5, 4, 20 and 1 mins respectively. He started 15 of the first 19 games.

Bit harsh to say "Every chance he got he was extremely poor", he missed chances but he wasn't poor every game and it was mainly his misses that got the criticism.

I'd love to know the real reason he was a) bought and b) sold, rather than theories on here. Someone felt he was worth paying £20.3m for, why then did someone (possibly someone else) decide to sell six months down the line?!? A goal every four appearances isn't great, but six months isn't a long time to turn it around.

Then again maybe the selective fans on here deserved him being sold, the ones that backed Keane when they didn't do the same for Voronin :-

Voronin - 6 goals in 28 apps (1586 mins, 264 mins/goal)
Keane - 7 goals in 28 apps (1801 mins, 257 mins/goal)

Keane scored 3 goals in his last 5 appearances in a Liverpool shirt, Voronin scored 2 goals in his last 5 appearances and in a Liverpool shirt. Keane was back by a few on here, was Voronin?!?  ???

The keane fiasco will go down in history as one of the worst things Rafa ever did
When we signed him I was over the moon because I personally thought we should have signed him years ago
To say he had his chance is very silly to be honest.
We are told that Rafa didnt even want him in the first place so it looks as if he got his way when he booted him out. To sign a proven premiership and international player and not get the best out of him must surely be the managers fault? The games I saw keane play in (not so much at the end) he was exciting and excited to be playing for us. He ran his legs of mostly and scored seven goals. Nothing fantastic, but bad enough to offload after just six months? I think not.
For me the whole affair was embarrassing and sad and left us in a precarious position which has reflected itself in our decline and current standing in the league table
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Postby aCe' » Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:01 pm

Owzat wrote:
Flight wrote:
oreilly wrote:
maybe he sodl him so we wouldnt pay the price, as if we sold him in the summer we would have had to pay spurs the full amount and wouldnt have got half of it back


Keane is a 8 out of 10 player. Maybe not a Torres or Gerrard. He certaintly deserved to be given a chance and people should have played to his strength, Rafa's arrogance and stubborn attitude towards forbidding any player to play with their natural flair as opposed to his maths of football is ruining liverpools rep worldwide, no neutral likes to watch us!

Keane was given more than a chance. He started 14 out of the first 17 games.

And the tabloid lies about him being dropped after scoring are rubbish. That happened twice - one was against Newcastle, when he had just played two games in five days (and was also our best performance of the season) and the other was against Spurs when he didn't even make the bench.

Every chance he got he was extremely poor. The most telling thing and the last straw was that his team mates stopped looking for him with the ball.

He bottled it and wasn't capable of learning what the training staff were trying to teach him.

He started 13 out of the first 17 games, made four subs appearances of 5, 4, 20 and 1 mins respectively. He started 15 of the first 19 games.

Bit harsh to say "Every chance he got he was extremely poor", he missed chances but he wasn't poor every game and it was mainly his misses that got the criticism.

I'd love to know the real reason he was a) bought and b) sold, rather than theories on here. Someone felt he was worth paying £20.3m for, why then did someone (possibly someone else) decide to sell six months down the line?!? A goal every four appearances isn't great, but six months isn't a long time to turn it around.

Then again maybe the selective fans on here deserved him being sold, the ones that backed Keane when they didn't do the same for Voronin :-

Voronin - 6 goals in 28 apps (1586 mins, 264 mins/goal)
Keane - 7 goals in 28 apps (1801 mins, 257 mins/goal)

Keane scored 3 goals in his last 5 appearances in a Liverpool shirt, Voronin scored 2 goals in his last 5 appearances and in a Liverpool shirt. Keane was back by a few on here, was Voronin?!?  ???

listen i know you're no Keane fan and all... but wasnt he part of the setup that got us to the top spot and had us sitting there comfortably... we started to mess about with our selections and all.. then went out and sold him.. and next thing you know we are battling it out with chelsea, villa and arsenal for 2nd, 3rd and 4th instead of being up there with manutd challenging for the title... we are nowhere near them atm and in my books it has alot to do with Rafa's poor judgment when it comes to the whole Keane thing...

Sell him now so we wouldnt lose out on a few mill come end of the season ? at what cost though ? its like taking one step forward, and two steps back... 

and the whole voronin thing is pretty irrelevant in all honesty... he is nowhere near good enough to play for Liverpool (a better forward than N'gog, Babel, Elzhar and the likes i'll give you that much) and it was always likely he would be shipped out sooner or later
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