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by **112-1077774096** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:17 pm

like i said. don't drag me into your petty squabbles

by **aCe'** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:30 pm

GYBS wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Jose Mourinho. Once known as Satan and a sleezy, dirty little arrogant man amongst the faithful brethren of LFC's all knowing, supremely devoted fans. Nowadays, Mr Mourinho is the subject matter of masturbation amonst some. He is the second coming. Our messiah. The one to end all our strife. We bow own to your greatness, Mr Mourinho. Come to us and save us from our ficklness. Save us from the nasty Alex Ferguson. We'll kiss your feet and suck you off. Please come. Pretty please with plenty of sugar on top.

Fuck off!

Have you got the right thread mate?

Since it's here though, it does kind of demonstrate the point.

What point ? the fact he is insulting Maureen ?!?!

Look the abuse stu used to dish out and then there is ace , peewee etc who also dish out the abuse .

GYBS man.. i see your still posting the same nonsense in every thread.. the pointless one liners with no actual input of your own just derailing any sort of decent discussion going on...

whatever man... you're like that iTunes program when it goes all mental and you have 4 duplicates of every song on your playlist... and its annoying as hell... :wwww

by **Ace Ventura** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:11 pm

Sabre wrote:No problemo Ace Ventura, you're ace.

The only problem I have with you is that you don't post that much as of late. If I have to slap some pros heads in order you post more, I will.

Cheers mate

I tend to post in bursts, i come on every day and read alot of posts, but dont feel the need or the point in responding to certain threads.

I genuinely get more pleasure in reading other peoples opinions rather than giving people my own.

Maybe that is because at this moment in time i am really not sure exactly what my view is.
After the Real Madrid game i was obviously delighted and know that in that area Rafa is the man, and his record shouldnt be dismissed in an...well its only europe, we know he's good at that, kind of way.
The sides that we have beaten, and the stadiums we have won in show the manager at his brilliant best.

But then you do worry based on recent seasons if he can get it right, with regards to our own league and breaking down stubborn opposition.
The jury is well and truly still out on that one.

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:17 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:Maybe that is because at this moment in time i am really not sure exactly what my view is.
After the Real Madrid game i was obviously delighted and know that in that area Rafa is the man, and his record shouldnt be dismissed in an...well its only europe, we know he's good at that, kind of way.
The sides that we have beaten, and the stadiums we have won in show the manager at his brilliant best.

But then you do worry based on recent seasons if he can get it right, with regards to our own league and breaking down stubborn opposition.
The jury is well and truly still out on that one.

Well said, mate. Sums up my views as well. I have complete faith that Rafa can lead us to glory in Europe on a fairly consistent basis. Whether he can do the same in the league, however, is a huge question mark at the moment for me.

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:37 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:Maybe that is because at this moment in time i am really not sure exactly what my view is.
After the Real Madrid game i was obviously delighted and know that in that area Rafa is the man, and his record shouldnt be dismissed in an...well its only europe, we know he's good at that, kind of way.
The sides that we have beaten, and the stadiums we have won in show the manager at his brilliant best.

But then you do worry based on recent seasons if he can get it right, with regards to our own league and breaking down stubborn opposition.
The jury is well and truly still out on that one.

Well said, mate. Sums up my views as well. I have complete faith that Rafa can lead us to glory in Europe on a fairly consistent basis. Whether he can do the same in the league, however, is a huge question mark at the moment for me.

If we lose to madrid tho will you still think he can lead us in europe or if we go out round after you still be happy ?

Its all if's and butt's end of day wish some of you on fence would get ya :censored:

's up and make up ya mind.

word coward springs to mind.

Tbh I have more respect for the pro's then the fence sitters at least they putting there necks out and saying what they believe even tho its delouded of course.

by **GRAHAM01** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:08 pm

Bad Bob wrote:I have complete faith that Rafa can lead us to glory in Europe on a fairly consistent basis. Whether he can do the same in the league, however, is a huge question mark at the moment for me.

think it's been said many times before but we need 2 managers

rafa for europe and another for the league!!

think of the arguments they would have :nod

your not playing him on sat i need him fit for wed night :laugh:

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:22 pm

I don't think you should call the ones that can't make their minds up just yet cowards mate....... it just depends how much emphasis the individual places on europe. If like me you see the League as being the main priority its a little easier making the decision. If you think that the CL is more important or that it can in some way make up for our failings in the league then your decision is obviously a little harder.

I have spent the best part of 18 months wrestling with the problem, and I am still not 100% sure I have finally made the right decision and Rafa should go. Whatever side of the line people fall its probably more to do with individual belief than any argument ANYONE on here can make. You can post stats by the hundredweight, facts by the score and articles by knowledgeable experts, players and managers, and at the end of the day it will all boil down to what someone feels in their heart.

I was a "don't really know" as recently as a few short weeks ago, I have had no earth shattering revelation that has suddenly made everything clear to me, just a slow slide into gradual acceptance that maybe we can do better.

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:29 pm

s@int wrote:I don't think you should call the ones that can't make their minds up just yet cowards mate....... it just depends how much emphasis the individual places on europe. If like me you see the League as being the main priority its a little easier making the decision. If you think that the CL is more important or that it can in some way make up for our failings in the league then your decision is obviously a little harder.

I have spent the best part of 18 months wrestling with the problem, and I am still not 100% sure I have finally made the right decision and Rafa should go. Whatever side of the line people fall its probably more to do with individual belief than any argument ANYONE on here can make. You can post stats by the hundredweight, facts by the score and articles by knowledgeable experts, players and managers, and at the end of the day it will all boil down to what someone feels in their heart.

I was a "don't really know" as recently as a few short weeks ago, I have had no earth shattering revelation that has suddenly made everything clear to me, just a slow slide into gradual acceptance that maybe we can do better.

Yeah I guess but end of day sitting on the fence never got any one any where did it ?

I think this is time us as fans needs to go one way or other because if we sit on fence 1 more bad season might be all that is needed to destroy us for another 5 years imo.

by **GYBS** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:39 pm

Sitting on the fence cowards ?!? whatever next - maybe they are actually waiting to see what happens come the end of the season before making any judgements .

Time for us fans to go either one way or the other ?!? us fans should be supporting the players and team .

And even if we loose to madrid yes he can lead us to glory in europe as he has proved to do so over the years .

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:58 pm

LegBarnes wrote:1 more bad season might be all that is needed to destroy us for another 5 years imo.

This is the bit that really concerns me mate. I think this season we had our best chance in donkeys years to win the title this year, and we blew it.

The last time I really thought we had as good a chance as this was 1996 when we actually had a better team than the mancs, but unfortunately a manager who wasn't quite good/strong enough. We blew our chance then and the mancs strengthened and although we have come closer(points and positionally) on quite a few occasions since never really made a challenge we could all believe was as genuine.

This season due to a combination of good fortune (own goals /sendings off) great comebacks, grinding out results and our rivals stuttering and in some cases blowing up, we had the opportunity of a lifetime. We failed to take advantage of it unfortunately, maybe with a different manager we would have?

The mancs will strengthen AGAIN, Chelsea will probably recover their form under a new manager and maybe even Arsenal will splash the cash? While the pretenders Villa and Citeh will no doubt be pushing for top four next season. Things are only going to get tougher imo. If Rafa couldn't do it this season with EVERYTHING seemingly going his way early on, maybe like Evans he never will?

by **Bad Bob** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:00 pm

LegBarnes wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:Maybe that is because at this moment in time i am really not sure exactly what my view is.
After the Real Madrid game i was obviously delighted and know that in that area Rafa is the man, and his record shouldnt be dismissed in an...well its only europe, we know he's good at that, kind of way.
The sides that we have beaten, and the stadiums we have won in show the manager at his brilliant best.

But then you do worry based on recent seasons if he can get it right, with regards to our own league and breaking down stubborn opposition.
The jury is well and truly still out on that one.

Well said, mate. Sums up my views as well. I have complete faith that Rafa can lead us to glory in Europe on a fairly consistent basis. Whether he can do the same in the league, however, is a huge question mark at the moment for me.

If we lose to madrid tho will you still think he can lead us in europe or if we go out round after you still be happy ?

Its all if's and butt's end of day wish some of you on fence would get ya 's up and make up ya mind.

word coward springs to mind.

Tbh I have more respect for the pro's then the fence sitters at least they putting there necks out and saying what they believe even tho its delouded of course.

I see, it's cowardly to say that Benitez is brilliant in Europe but considerably short of that in the league. How craven of me.

You, on the other hand, are one of the bravest lads on here. You post complete and utter nonsense 98% of the time and get rumbled for it on a regular basis. Yet, you still manage to find the self-belief/self-delusion required to come back time and again and condescend to people who actually put a moment's thought into their views. Yes, it takes a brave man indeed to ridicule others, given the bollox you consistently chat. :kungfu:

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:06 pm

s@int wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:1 more bad season might be all that is needed to destroy us for another 5 years imo.

This is the bit that really concerns me mate. I think this season we had our best chance in donkeys years to win the title this year, and we blew it.

The last time I really thought we had as good a chance as this was 1996 when we actually had a better team than the mancs, but unfortunately a manager who wasn't quite good/strong enough. We blew our chance then and the mancs strengthened and although we have come closer(points and positionally) on quite a few occasions since never really made a challenge we could all believe was as genuine.

This season due to a combination of good fortune (own goals /sendings off) great comebacks, grinding out results and our rivals stuttering and in some cases blowing up, we had the opportunity of a lifetime. We failed to take advantage of it unfortunately, maybe with a different manager we would have?

The mancs will strengthen AGAIN, Chelsea will probably recover their form under a new manager and maybe even Arsenal will splash the cash? While the pretenders Villa and Citeh will no doubt be pushing for top four next season. Things are only going to get tougher imo. If Rafa couldn't do it this season with EVERYTHING seemingly going his way early on, maybe like Evans he never will?

Yeah we had alot of good things go for us first half.

Then rafa seemed to do every thing in his power to ruin it (ok i Know he never ment to but looking back at it WTF ?).

So here we are yet agian in the same patten we had with GH even tho I felt we never should have got rid of GH but the poor fella almost gave his life for our club so prob was good idea he left.

I just don't see what all these so called pro's (not a dig just don't like temrs pro's and anti's) see.

I really think its clear to see rafa is out of his depth in this league he don't understand and has proven that over his time at our club.

He knows europe no one can argue that but we want the league right ? then I really feel we have to get in a manager who knows the prem to win it.

I will always like rafa the man but the manager atm he just peeing me off atm.

More the little things like post match interviews , team selection and blame placing on players.

by **LegBarnes** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:10 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:Maybe that is because at this moment in time i am really not sure exactly what my view is.
After the Real Madrid game i was obviously delighted and know that in that area Rafa is the man, and his record shouldnt be dismissed in an...well its only europe, we know he's good at that, kind of way.
The sides that we have beaten, and the stadiums we have won in show the manager at his brilliant best.

But then you do worry based on recent seasons if he can get it right, with regards to our own league and breaking down stubborn opposition.
The jury is well and truly still out on that one.

Well said, mate. Sums up my views as well. I have complete faith that Rafa can lead us to glory in Europe on a fairly consistent basis. Whether he can do the same in the league, however, is a huge question mark at the moment for me.

If we lose to madrid tho will you still think he can lead us in europe or if we go out round after you still be happy ?

Its all if's and butt's end of day wish some of you on fence would get ya 's up and make up ya mind.

word coward springs to mind.

Tbh I have more respect for the pro's then the fence sitters at least they putting there necks out and saying what they believe even tho its delouded of course.

I see, it's cowardly to say that Benitez is brilliant in Europe but considerably short of that in the league. How craven of me.

You, on the other hand, are one of the bravest lads on here. You post complete and utter nonsense 98% of the time and get rumbled for it on a regular basis. Yet, you still manage to find the self-belief/self-delusion required to come back time and again and condescend to people who actually put a moment's thought into their views. Yes, it takes a brave man indeed to ridicule others, given the bollox you consistently chat.

nonesense cos you say so ?

I know alot of people on forum understand where I come from.

Just cos ya avatar is god don't meen you can hide behind it and think every thing you say is gospel ffs.

In fact sitting on the fence is being a coward and no suprise tbh from you.

I really think its poor form for a mod to fabricate the truth you ment to be in a postion of power and as such abusing it is a childish thing to do.

by **Owzat** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:10 pm

s@int wrote:The mancs will strengthen AGAIN,

I honestly fear they don't need to. They've marched on relentlessly, even with injuries and suspensions because their back-up is good.

I've said before, the reason the mancs won in 06/07 and Chelsea fell away is because Jose changed too much while fergie barely made any changes - that from a side that hadn't won the title in three seasons. A lot of their players have time on their side, those that don't have adequate replacements except maybe the keeper. How many of their side are close to retirement? Maybe nobhead, Giggs and Scholes and they're nowhere near as pivotal as they were. They've already notched up 20 wins this season

Man Utd - 20 wins, 60 points out of 65 (92.31%)
Liverpool - 16 wins, 48 points out of 58 (82.76%)

They're only seven wins from the 27 wins I mention quite often, and could even manage 31. We can't reach that number of wins. The record is 29 wins by Chelsea in 04/05 and again in 05/06, the mancs have plenty of games to break that Premiership record - if they win 31 games then that will equal the overall top flight record set by spudz in 60/61 (42 games!)

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