MIDDLESBROUGH VS LIVERPOOL - Lets get back into the title race.

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Postby account deleted by request » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:30 pm

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Ciggy wrote:Worst performance of the season, our fringe players are not good enough, and its obvious they put everything into the madrid game and had nothing left. i am not as angry as last week because last week I think we all know it was then we lost our title chance.

We have no strength beyond our first 11 full stop.

Is the best post on this thread.

100% correct. Our first 11 on their day is as good as any in the league, but outside that, things are thin. Our bench today proved it. In fact, having El Zahr on the pitch proved it. We need a gluttony of signings in the summer of quality. Do we have the money for it? I don't think so. We may have to settle for two really high class signings and some better quality squad players. Some players will have to be sold off, and I expect players like Lucas, Benayoun, Babel and several fringe players to exit. Honestly, it doesn't matter if the manager is replaced. It won't change the situation for us. In fact, I can only see it worsening if that happens. If Benitez really has maintained that he wanted more control of signings, then lets see if his word is true. If he signs a few lesser unknowns and squad fillers again, well, then I'd advocate that he leaves because he will no longer have this leaning stick of an excuse to fall back upon.

Good post with a lot of truths

Good post ..... you just forgot to mention who's fault it is that the squad is so weak and who bought all the poor players that fill it.

And before you say it , no it wasn't Parry :D

I dont think they were all Rafas first choice signings either mate. And if you want to get Parry in it, maybe if him and that other snake Moores hadnt have gotten the yanks invovled we might have had owners who WOULD have let Rafa get all his first choice signings.

Rafa has spent over £100 million in the last two years, I don't think anyone can complain about how much money he has had.

Net spend? He has had to recoup a lot mate and most of the time can only spend big on 1 player max and has to dish out the rest over the whole squad. Not the same as say Fergie spening 30Mil on 2 strikers, 18Mil on a midfielder, 30 mil on a defender....not the same by a mile.


Net Spend 04 - 09 Purchased Sold Nett Per Season
1 Chelsea £221,450,000 £90,300,000 £131,150,000 £26,230,000 
2 Manchester City £171,020,000 £49,900,000 £121,120,000 £24,224,000 
3 Liverpool £215,490,000 £98,030,000 £117,460,000 £23,492,000 
4 Tottenham £230,800,000 £137,250,000 £93,550,000 £18,710,000 
5 Manchester United £169,350,000 £76,050,000 £93,300,000 £18,660,000 
6 Aston Villa £95,150,000 £21,255,000 £73,895,000 £14,779,000 
9 Sunderland £80,580,000 £11,650,000 £68,930,000 £13,786,000 
7 Newcastle £120,750,000 £83,400,000 £37,350,000 £7,470,000 
8 Middlesborough £62,200,000 £32,500,000 £29,700,000 £5,940,000 
10 Everton £80,100,000 £54,200,000 £25,900,000 £5,180,000 
12 Arsenal £102,050,000 £81,720,000 £20,330,000 £4,066,000 
11 West Ham £75,145,000 £61,625,000 £13,520,000 £2,704,000 
13 Portsmouth £77,700,000 £71,010,000 £6,690,000 £1,338,000 
14 Blackburn Rovers £36,100,000 £36,290,000 -£190,000 -£38,000



As you can see even on NET SPENDS , he has STILL spent more than the mancs.
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Postby Greavesie » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:30 pm

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LegBarnes wrote:today will be the end of our season.

I go back to my earlyer post DEBATE !  :(

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Postby murphy0151 » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:30 pm

Greavesie wrote:I can imagine a silence kicking in Murphy :D

yeah baby
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Postby tubby » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:30 pm

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LegBarnes wrote:today will be the end of our season.

I go backt o my earlyer post DEBATE !  :(

Sad but true unfortunatley mate. But I had seen this coming months ago. I just hope Rafa stays. He sounded proper depressed just now. I would not be surprised if he quit after all the stick he will get from the media this week coming. Luckily we have a game midweek so we can put it right.
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Postby Ciggy » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:30 pm

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*_Ruthless_* wrote:Lets have a laugh at Rafa..

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.......i have been laughing all seson!....no doubt the "in rafa we trust brigade" will argue otherwise?...but its been staring everyone in the face (those who dont wear "rose tinted glasses") that rafa aint got what it takes to bring the title back to anfield. I say "fukk off parry....take Rafa with you"!. :buttrock

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Postby parchpea » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:30 pm

Not unexpected as we have a lousy record at Middlesbrough and after a good champs league win its just so Liverpool to go and lose there right after. We just aint good enough to maintain any decent level of football that would enable us to feel confident of victory going into these type of games. I am exhausted rattling on about Rafa but the sooner he follows Parry out out the exit door the better. Just sick and tired of the whole debacle with this lot to be quite honest and feel we need a clean break and a fresh outlook at the club. Its not worked so lets go back to the start with a new group.
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Postby Simari » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:31 pm

Atleast we were in the hunt till late Feb, which is a lot better than where we've been in recent memory.

Just need to avoid finishing 4th as that would mean going through qualifying for Europe again. With the rule changes for CL qualifying for next year (top 3 automatically qualify), finishing in top 3 is absolutely essential.

Bad day at the office. Then again, this makes in 5 games in a row where we haven't won at Boro. Seems to be becoming a bogey ground for us.
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Postby Toffeehater » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:31 pm

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*_Ruthless_* wrote:Its days like this where I think about seriously killing a Man Utd fan.

Im sick of there fecking rants after every game we balls up in..

I do that on most days anyway lol

SAck RAfa lets get Joe Royal or Alan Curbishley or even that other top draw manager who will do well in Europe Big sam allerdyce.

If Rafa gets as much time as alex ferguson did im sure he will deliver the title.  RAfa has got to admit our squad is not good enough.  Babel hes been shocking. Lucas has been very poor indeed and even Caragher for me isint all that. Yes hes amazing at defending but he cant pass the ball forward more than 5 yards.

Oh its hard being a red isint it, im just dreaming of Rome now.  And for almost 20 years before RAfa come we couldnt dream about getting to a 3rd european final in 5 seasons

bad times

another one , thats the thing rafa has had time , he has had money , just not spent it wisely . Good players that rafa has bought , 6 players in 5 years . He had keane , he sold him why? i will never know , he's a arrogant :censored: rafa

Reina
Alonso
Masch
Torres
Kuyt
Riera

Why he sold Keane ill tell you mate cause he was s h t for us fulls top.  Made a mistake buying him, and got rid quickly so he could get most of the money back we spent on him.

Hes arrogant lol who do you want as manager to replace him?  Let me guess Mourinho now he is arrogant.

If you look at closely mate all the players who arent really stepping up to plate our all players around the ten million mark, arent they? If you look at man utds team they dont have many of these players as most of there players our close to the 20 million mark.  A 10 million pound player is not as good as a 20 million pound player.  Hes had money to spend but on many occasions hes wanted better players but not had the resources so had to go for the cheaper option.  So thats aload of bull mate.

Come on tell me who you want to manage liverpool?

Really the same :censored: who was one of the top strikers in the premier league? The same keane that whenever scored was dropped? How do you think that affected his confidence? Put yourself in his shoes , he was played as a loan striker a role he has never played before , he and berbatov formed the best partnership in the league last season .

Rafa puts his pride first , he can sign owen in the summer if he's still here but will not because he's got his pride . At least mourinho knows how to get wins , he puts his best squad out and does not fecking rotate . Rafa has had loads of money and like i said the money he has spend on quantity could have been used to acquire 3 more world class players .
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Postby tubby » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:31 pm

s@int wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
s@int wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
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Emerald Red wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Worst performance of the season, our fringe players are not good enough, and its obvious they put everything into the madrid game and had nothing left. i am not as angry as last week because last week I think we all know it was then we lost our title chance.

We have no strength beyond our first 11 full stop.

Is the best post on this thread.

100% correct. Our first 11 on their day is as good as any in the league, but outside that, things are thin. Our bench today proved it. In fact, having El Zahr on the pitch proved it. We need a gluttony of signings in the summer of quality. Do we have the money for it? I don't think so. We may have to settle for two really high class signings and some better quality squad players. Some players will have to be sold off, and I expect players like Lucas, Benayoun, Babel and several fringe players to exit. Honestly, it doesn't matter if the manager is replaced. It won't change the situation for us. In fact, I can only see it worsening if that happens. If Benitez really has maintained that he wanted more control of signings, then lets see if his word is true. If he signs a few lesser unknowns and squad fillers again, well, then I'd advocate that he leaves because he will no longer have this leaning stick of an excuse to fall back upon.

Good post with a lot of truths

Good post ..... you just forgot to mention who's fault it is that the squad is so weak and who bought all the poor players that fill it.

And before you say it , no it wasn't Parry :D

I dont think they were all Rafas first choice signings either mate. And if you want to get Parry in it, maybe if him and that other snake Moores hadnt have gotten the yanks invovled we might have had owners who WOULD have let Rafa get all his first choice signings.

Rafa has spent over £100 million in the last two years, I don't think anyone can complain about how much money he has had.

Net spend? He has had to recoup a lot mate and most of the time can only spend big on 1 player max and has to dish out the rest over the whole squad. Not the same as say Fergie spening 30Mil on 2 strikers, 18Mil on a midfielder, 30 mil on a defender....not the same by a mile.


Net Spend 04 - 09 Purchased Sold Nett Per Season
1 Chelsea £221,450,000 £90,300,000 £131,150,000 £26,230,000 
2 Manchester City £171,020,000 £49,900,000 £121,120,000 £24,224,000 
3 Liverpool £215,490,000 £98,030,000 £117,460,000 £23,492,000 
4 Tottenham £230,800,000 £137,250,000 £93,550,000 £18,710,000 
5 Manchester United £169,350,000 £76,050,000 £93,300,000 £18,660,000 
6 Aston Villa £95,150,000 £21,255,000 £73,895,000 £14,779,000 
9 Sunderland £80,580,000 £11,650,000 £68,930,000 £13,786,000 
7 Newcastle £120,750,000 £83,400,000 £37,350,000 £7,470,000 
8 Middlesborough £62,200,000 £32,500,000 £29,700,000 £5,940,000 
10 Everton £80,100,000 £54,200,000 £25,900,000 £5,180,000 
12 Arsenal £102,050,000 £81,720,000 £20,330,000 £4,066,000 
11 West Ham £75,145,000 £61,625,000 £13,520,000 £2,704,000 
13 Portsmouth £77,700,000 £71,010,000 £6,690,000 £1,338,000 
14 Blackburn Rovers £36,100,000 £36,290,000 -£190,000 -£38,000



As you can see even on NET SPENDS , he has STILL spent more than the mancs.

Thats not possible mate I dont know how those figures have been put together.
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Postby Greavesie » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:32 pm

murphy0151 wrote:
Greavesie wrote:I can imagine a silence kicking in Murphy :D

yeah baby

you have a point tho mate. Once you ask those who want him out who they want to replace it goes quiet
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Postby Aussie Style » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:32 pm

Madmax wrote:i had enough of this shyte im going to the movies and clear out my head... anyways enjoy your moaning guys

Smartest thing i've heard all night mate. I would too if it wasn't 4:30AM here. Can't sleep after that sh1t.
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Postby Toffeehater » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:32 pm

bavlondon wrote:
Toffeehater wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
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bavlondon wrote:
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Dundalk wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
bavlondon wrote:
Ciggy wrote:Worst performance of the season, our fringe players are not good enough, and its obvious they put everything into the madrid game and had nothing left. i am not as angry as last week because last week I think we all know it was then we lost our title chance.

We have no strength beyond our first 11 full stop.

Is the best post on this thread.

100% correct. Our first 11 on their day is as good as any in the league, but outside that, things are thin. Our bench today proved it. In fact, having El Zahr on the pitch proved it. We need a gluttony of signings in the summer of quality. Do we have the money for it? I don't think so. We may have to settle for two really high class signings and some better quality squad players. Some players will have to be sold off, and I expect players like Lucas, Benayoun, Babel and several fringe players to exit. Honestly, it doesn't matter if the manager is replaced. It won't change the situation for us. In fact, I can only see it worsening if that happens. If Benitez really has maintained that he wanted more control of signings, then lets see if his word is true. If he signs a few lesser unknowns and squad fillers again, well, then I'd advocate that he leaves because he will no longer have this leaning stick of an excuse to fall back upon.

Good post with a lot of truths

Good post ..... you just forgot to mention who's fault it is that the squad is so weak and who bought all the poor players that fill it.

And before you say it , no it wasn't Parry :D

I dont think they were all Rafas first choice signings either mate. And if you want to get Parry in it, maybe if him and that other snake Moores hadnt have gotten the yanks invovled we might have had owners who WOULD have let Rafa get all his first choice signings.

Rafa has spent over £100 million in the last two years, I don't think anyone can complain about how much money he has had.

Net spend? He has had to recoup a lot mate and most of the time can only spend big on 1 player max and has to dish out the rest over the whole squad. Not the same as say Fergie spening 30Mil on 2 strikers, 18Mil on a midfielder, 30 mil on a defender....not the same by a mile.

Fergie's pays for quality whereas rafa pays peanuts for quantity what do you expect

Well Rafa doesnt have that money to pay for quality does he? Not as often anyway. It's always second best or worse signings for us.

Crouch , pennant , gonzales , josemi , morrienties , are just some of the poor players he has signed .

If he had kept bellamy and played cissie as a striker instead of a winger we would have 2 quality strikers on the bench instead of ngog
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Postby REDTILLDEAD » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:33 pm

Sabre wrote:
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*_Ruthless_* wrote:Lets have a laugh at Rafa..

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.......i have been laughing all seson!....no doubt the "in rafa we trust brigade" will argue otherwise?...but its been staring everyone in the face (those who dont wear "rose tinted glasses") that rafa aint got what it takes to bring the title back to anfield. I say "fukk off parry....take Rafa with you"!. :buttrock

Mister. Someone coming to this thread and watching your  :buttrock might think we have won anything today.

Don't be so happy or they might get it wrong about today's result.

It was the nearest i could get to a "two fingered salute"...or could you not read into that?.....mister. ???
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Postby Ciggy » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:33 pm

LegBarnes wrote:
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mistyred wrote:Feckin b0ll0x, i feel like a homeless hobo, i can't bloody believe this.

Why don't they just kick my in the nut's and sh!t on my face while there at it.

Cheers lads.

phew... I feel like it's too painful to support Liverpool .. what will become of us  :down:

Told ya u coke sniffing cranky wanna b

WTF are you on about? dont be insulting her like that.
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Postby 112-1077774096 » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:33 pm

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