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by **Owzat** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:10 pm

peewee wrote:probably one of rafas demands before he signs a new contract.

good that parry will go, but its bad news if rafa gets to dictate who the club can and cant employ, lets hope I am wrong and this and rafa still goes

I'm pretty sure it has to be related to Rafa, his various issues including his contract, but I doubt Parry would be got rid of on Rafa's say so.

There is a saying "better the devil you know", I can't help feeling too many fans etc scapegoat easily and people like Parry are easy targets with most people in possession of very few hard facts. Like a post I read earlier saying Klinsmann never had an interview. Who can say that with any certainty? How can you PROVE something didn't happen?

by **GYBS** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:10 pm

bunglemark2 wrote:Amen, GYBS....but only as far as your last comment goes....
Most of the time you talk a load of rubbish.....

cheers bungle

its pretty obvious that some are going to use the thread for more digs at rafa and sen it already .

by **GRAHAM01** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:12 pm

peewee wrote:
GRAHAM01 wrote:
peewee wrote:its simple, does anyone think this will change our style of play?

the fact is parry is not the most pressing issue at the club, benitez is. rejoice all you want but this will change nothing on the pitch

i can see your point peewee and i can agree with what you are saying ( yes i know shock horrer )

rafa will not change the way he sends out his team because parry has gone, i would expect him to it's his style like it or not.

but without the fighting going on between them rafa may get the players HE wants and then he will have the team he wants playing in the style he wants!! if at that time he fails then yes it's time for him to go and we move on again, having parry there holding rafa back in getting the players he wanted has hindered his progress when trying to build the team he feels he needs to do the job

well that's how i see it anyway

this is assuming parry blocked signings based on parrys opinion rather than cost of the player. benitez can want kaka but if we cant afford him then its a moot point mate, we will still get what we can afford.

yes again you are right if rafa wanted the likes of kaka then he would get laughed out of the room but the players that have been mentioned and the time we were trying to buy them we had the money to get them, now i'm not going to say every player we failed to sign was down to parry ( i would be talking :censored:

) but i'm sure he has cost us some signings that would have helped the team and even helped rafa change the style he plays at the moment

i understand that with the money we have at transfers times might not be enough to get the 1st name on the list but when we then balls up the chance to get the 2nd name on the list someone needs to be held to court

just a little add on for heimdall: the way i see it as i have said a little above that if we had got 1st name on the list players we would have a better team giving rafa more of a chance to produce a championship winning team having to get 2nd or 3rd names will only hinder his team and ( i'm only saying maybe? ) hinder the true style he would like to play?

by **tubby** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:12 pm

So are we just not going to have a chief exec now or is someone else going to come in but obviously not have a say on Rafas transfer budget ect...?

by **Ciggy** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:13 pm

heimdall wrote:Considering that you are now successfully winding everybody up GYBS it is a wonder that you are not getting carded. You are actually ruining threads, even duplicate ones which you've created yourself.

jesus christ what is wrong with you people give it a feckin rest for gods sake. Asking for cards when the bloke has only started a topic?

by **bunglemark2** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:13 pm

The truth is out there Owzat....There's no smoke without fire....and other meaningless sayings....
Klinsmann WAS approached, the world and his mother knows that.
But back on track : TBH, I don't know if Parry going is good or bad....one thing is true though : all of this ridiculous backbiting should have stayed behind closed doors anyway. Any boardroom dissent, disagreements etc., including RB's "public" sulkings, should have never made it outside the door of the boardroom...

by **GYBS** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:14 pm

bigmick wrote:
GYBS wrote:got no problems with people talking about the ceo in a ceo thread or kuyt in a kuyt thread or parry in a parry thread but when someone is blatantly just out there trying to cause sh it then yes i do have a problem .

Ok the broken record was in replying to a post that once again went on about a poll i did which the poster and yourself mick just can never seem to let go off just because i forgot to put someone in the poll - oh no what a momumental error that was - hang me for such a horrendous crime that it was .

And the fact is the poster didnt have an opinion about the thread i started was just another attempt at a wind up .

Ok no bother. I'm just saying the record thing was good but if you keep putting it up it diminished the effect, and becomes like a broken record

And Peewee is entitled to voice his opinion surely? He doesn't need me to stand up for him by any means so I'm not going to, but he made a legitimate point about parry leaving. It really doesn't or shouldn't have that much effect on how well the team performs.

If we win the Champions League and everyone is saying how fantastic Rafa is and I come on here saying "it's feck all to do with Rafa, it's just cos Parry left" I'd be slaughtered, and rightly so. It's good that he left as we are about to re-employ the manager and he didn't get on with him, but I'd be surprised if it's massively significant.

and what exactly was his opinion on here mick ? was it related to the thread in anyway ? no i dont think it was . and no doubt heimdall will be on to post here at some point soon adding his two penny worth and prob followed by ace .
same with the other thread - its about parry leaving and suddenly it starts going down the road of slagging off rafa and his tactics etc etc and its supposed to be about parry leaving and off the field nothing to do with on the field etc

by **heimdall** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:14 pm

GYBS wrote:
bunglemark2 wrote:Amen, GYBS....but only as far as your last comment goes....
Most of the time you talk a load of rubbish.....

cheers bungle

its pretty obvious that some are going to use the thread for more digs at rafa and sen it already .

And what is the problem with posters being critical of rafa, why do you have such a problem with debating something?? Even in threads which are created specifically to discuss rafa you dive in and complain about people having digs at rafa. You have to learn to accept that some people have different views than you, it's called growing up.

by **lakes10** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:14 pm

Out with Parry in with higher ticket prices 20 sponsors, Silly trips to america to play silly games.

God i wish it was Hicks who had left first.

by **tubby** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:15 pm

What is wrong with everyone recently. Since the Madrid game there has been nothing but constant infighting with you lot. Calm the feck down will you. If you dont want to take part in this thread then dont :censored:

post here. Dont post here moaning about this and that.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:16 pm

heimdall wrote:And what is the problem with posters being critical of rafa,

because every topic gets turned in to an Anti rafa one even though its not even about him

by **GYBS** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:16 pm

lakes10 wrote:Out with Parry in with higher ticket prices 20 sponsors, Silly trips to america to play silly games.

God i wish it was Hicks who had left first.

yeah that is the worry mate - if the yanks get in someone they want and try to change things - but isnt there already this guy Ayres at the club doing the money side of things ?

by **Dundalk** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:16 pm

The club dosent just consist of Rafa, Parry, Hicks and Gillett

Parry is gone now (or at the end of the season) but there are other people on the board that are able to make descions. I wouldnt rush into a replacment

by **GYBS** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:16 pm

Ciggy wrote:
heimdall wrote:And what is the problem with posters being critical of rafa,

because every topic gets turned in to an Anti rafa one even though its not even about him

exactly right - this is about parry not rafa .

by **heimdall** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:17 pm

GRAHAM01 wrote:
peewee wrote:
GRAHAM01 wrote:
peewee wrote:its simple, does anyone think this will change our style of play?

the fact is parry is not the most pressing issue at the club, benitez is. rejoice all you want but this will change nothing on the pitch

i can see your point peewee and i can agree with what you are saying ( yes i know shock horrer )

rafa will not change the way he sends out his team because parry has gone, i would expect him to it's his style like it or not.

but without the fighting going on between them rafa may get the players HE wants and then he will have the team he wants playing in the style he wants!! if at that time he fails then yes it's time for him to go and we move on again, having parry there holding rafa back in getting the players he wanted has hindered his progress when trying to build the team he feels he needs to do the job

well that's how i see it anyway

this is assuming parry blocked signings based on parrys opinion rather than cost of the player. benitez can want kaka but if we cant afford him then its a moot point mate, we will still get what we can afford.

yes again you are right if rafa wanted the likes of kaka then he would get laughed out of the room but the players that have been mentioned and the time we were trying to buy them we had the money to get them, now i'm not going to say every player we failed to sign was down to parry ( i would be talking ) but i'm sure he has cost us some signings that would have helped the team and even helped rafa change the style he plays at the moment

i understand that with the money we have at transfers times might not be enough to get the 1st name on the list but when we then balls up the chance to get the 2nd name on the list someone needs to be held to court

just a little add on for heimdall: the way i see it as i have said a little above that if we had got 1st name on the list players we would have a better team giving rafa more of a chance to produce a championship winning team having to get 2nd or 3rd names will only hinder his team and ( i'm only saying maybe? ) hinder the true style he would like to play?

That's a fair point but you have to remember that it's not just about us wanting to buy players, it's also clubs wanting to sell to us, e.g the Heinze from manure embarrassment, and also players wanting to come to us like for example malouda preferring to join Chelsea. As i said Parry was a d1ck but you can't put every failed signing on his shoulders, there are many other factors.
If rafa can't get his first two choices I would have preferred he saved the money until the next transfer window instead of wasting it on a player he doesn't want.

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