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by **Sabre** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:38 pm

I think that lad tried to do a multiquote and failed, kind of thing it happens when you delete text from the window below and you don't check the outcome. Probably unintended.

Can anyone explain to me why they want Rafa to stay?

Most of the "stay" voters probably letting their heart rule their head. ok Rafa is a nice man, lovelly man, freindly big smile, very likable etc. I like him a lot.

You know, you are human, and you also have a heart.

You want success, you love your club, and the heart asking you success quickly, might be having an effect in your ideas.

So, watch out, you may be telling me to be ruled by head, while you also have an influence of your own feelings.

Shankly's quote on if you are second you're nothing is a great one.

However, you must be sure that bringing another manager will be a step closer to reach success. Be sure that your will to see your club triumphing isn't making your head tempted to have a change. Sometimes we simply think we would be better off without someone, and then we realise it was a mistake.

Don't be so sure that the ones that do not think like you are biased by emotions, as we all have them.

by **bigmick** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:50 pm

Asking for people to be carded is never something I've gone in for, except in the most obvious cases where the bloke is an Everton fan or whatever. I was a mod meself once, and the job is plenty hard enough without people verbally waving a card at you and asking for it to be admisistered to somebody else.

Best bet is to let the mods get on with the job I reckon, and if you have any issues with them let them know by PM.

Not trying to be all high and mighty either, feel free to tell me to go feck myself and all that, just saying the way I see things :cool:

by **tonyeh** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:51 pm

I'm not asking for anyone to be carded.

But starting a post with this "The inane ramblings of an idiot"...
:no

by **GYBS** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:54 pm

heimdall wrote:
GYBS wrote:before rafa arrived we ended the season 30 points behind the winners . So now we are second ahead of both chelsea and arsenal and only behind the mancs people wanting him sacked right now ? Some saying he is poor and poor squad etc ? How are we second at the moment ? Only been beaten once in the league as well as beating chelsea twice and the mancs once so far . Also with regards the spending , the mancs have bought around 9 to ten player of 15 million plus , chelsea around 12 while rafa has been able to buy a grand total off - drumroll time - three ! ! . So while rafa may of spent 150 mil he has had to use that money to build a whole squad bar three players plus a whole bunch of youngsters , while the mancs and chelsea have just used the same amount of money to buy 20 mil pound stars to just bolster an already impressive squads .

Can I ask you guys something, before Houllier was sacked were you guys as much behind him as you are behind Rafa now?
Personally I think Rafa is a better coach than Houllier whereas I think Houllier was a better manager.

no i wasnt behind gh during the last two seasons as in my eyes we were going backwards after the world cup of 2002 - the not buying of anelka and then the purchase of diouf and diao then failing the get cls then scraping through to cl the next season - during the last two season with gh we went backwards

by **GYBS** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:58 pm

Why i want rafa to stay - cause in my eyes we are progressing in the league - at the moment it seems we have overhauled both chelsea and arsenal this season only the mancs to go - h has also brought in some high quality players while also making someof our other players top class . couple more big signings and we will really go for it

by **GYBS** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 11:59 pm

So no one going to answer why people who are pro rafa and support the manager and players get insulted becuase of that ?

by **Greavesie** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:28 am

Effes wrote:
Raffmaker wrote:
Effes wrote:
Greavesie wrote:its not necessarily the fact that we may finish second, thats great, in fact if that was offered before the start of the season I would have taken it.

Greavesie. Sorry pal but those are the words of a pure LOSER!

Do you remember these words....."first is first, second is nowhere" !!!!!!

Who wrote that?

Remember that next time you visit Anfield for a match, and walk through those very gates. If indeed you have ever done ever!

I'll go by what the great man said, as a benchmark of what is acceptable and unacceptable for the alleged "most successful team in England".

simple as that.

And I hate negative vibe merchants also.

You're a total knob lad.

It only takes 5 seconds to go up this page and see I didn't say that.

You are a WUM.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:44 am

bigmick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
zarababe wrote:balancing the books too has Rafa.. probably only spent 30mill in real terms ..

Exactly. Or, in other words, been given that from a 3rd party to spend on players. I'd say it'd be at least double that, though.

Come on Emerald in no way shape or form does the statement that we've "probably only spent 30 million in real terms" warrant an "exactly".

The tables of net spend have been put up here on numerous occasions, plenty enough to know that Zara is way off here. At least double that doesn't come anywhere near covering it either. You know that.

Mick, the man's net spend isn't anywhere near 200 million and that's a fact. There is no discussion to be had about it. To say Rafa has had 200 million given to him by the club's board is just bollox. He's had to generate what he's spent. Well, the vast majority of it.

by **maguskwt** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:46 am

so this is like the who's-side-are-you-on kinda thing... civil war kinda thing... anyway... stay...

by **centarec** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:52 am

Stay , i think Rafa is a great manajer and if given a bigger transfer budget he can win the premier league with no problems

by **bigmick** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:19 am

I'll ask when they get insulted, not why. I don't recall people who are "pro's"copping much abuse at all on my travels to be honest.

by **bigmick** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 1:34 am

Emerald Red wrote:
bigmick wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
zarababe wrote:balancing the books too has Rafa.. probably only spent 30mill in real terms ..

Exactly. Or, in other words, been given that from a 3rd party to spend on players. I'd say it'd be at least double that, though.

Come on Emerald in no way shape or form does the statement that we've "probably only spent 30 million in real terms" warrant an "exactly".

The tables of net spend have been put up here on numerous occasions, plenty enough to know that Zara is way off here. At least double that doesn't come anywhere near covering it either. You know that.

Mick, the man's net spend isn't anywhere near 200 million and that's a fact. There is no discussion to be had about it. To say Rafa has had 200 million given to him by the club's board is just bollox. He's had to generate what he's spent. Well, the vast majority of it.

No argument that he hasn't spent 200 million quid of "fresh" cash, because obviously he's generated income from sales as well.

We both know though that the figure is significantly higher than 30 million, and higher than your "twice that" as well.

Sometimes the argumentitive side of me makes me tempted to swap sides for a day so I could launch a sensible defence of the manager rather than making silly excuses all the time.

For starters I'd forget all this nonsense about "first choices", and all the "but Parry bought him Rafa didn't" simply because they are impossible positions to sensibly defend. Forget about saying we haven't spent a heap of cash, as it's simply factually incorrect.

No, if I was defending Rafa against criticism I'd look at how many of the current Manchester United squad were there prior to Rafa's arrival. I'd look at the significant signings they've made where we couldn't legitimately have competed. I'd look at the fact that the youth set up has been going for the best part of 20 years and is bearing fruit. I'd look into that and see their under 18's are going compared to ours etc. I'd look at what ferguson actually did during his three years without a trophy and see if I could find parallels with what Rafa is doing now. I'd sensibly look at the team and try and think of a way which with only one or two additions we could win the league.

Instead of that, we get "It's not Rafa's fault, he didn't buy him Parry did", "it's the owners fault", "we're being very unlucky" or of course if all else fails, "feck off you c... you're not a real fan".

I started a thread in which I talked about tactics, "if rafa is still here" etc. If I was pro Rafa I'd have grabbed onto that, I'd have been saying that if we played this bloke here and that bloke there, we could improve enough. The "pro's" though don't seem interested in going there, and I must confess I can't understand why.

Simply putting up facts which are clearly miles off though is just daft.

by **GYBS** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:16 am

then need to look more carefully mick . There is plenty of people on here who have been given plenty of stick just because they are doing that shocking crime of sticking up for rafa and players . Plenty of it mick .

by **bigmick** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 2:46 am

GYBS wrote:then need to look more carefully mick . There is plenty of people on here who have been given plenty of stick just because they are doing that shocking crime of sticking up for rafa and players . Plenty of it mick .

Well I must have missed it mate. All those times where people have been called fecking c...s, w@nkers, imbeciles, not real fans, knee jerkers, fickle, clueless, bellends and been told that they are happy when their team loses.

You're right I'll have to look more closely, because I've missed the bits where they get told to feck off, to get fecked, to go take a running feck to themselves etc. The bits where they were told they were a fecking disgrace, an embarrassment, where they were told that they make people sick, that they spout bile etc totally passed me by as well. The bits where how often they go to games was brought into the equation, what level of football they play at or have amnaged at, their means of earning a living, their choice of spouse etc must have slipped under my radar as well, (although I must confess I have seen Lando called a burger flipper a few times).

I'll definately be keeping an eye out for it though from now on. You can rest assured that if and when I do see it, I'll not agree with it and hopefully say so.

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Feb 25, 2009 4:00 am

if i spend 200 million and sell stuff for 100 million, I still have items valued at 200 million, my purchases do not suddenly become worth less.

as an example I buy torres for 20 million and sell another player for 10 million, is torres now worth only 10 million? is he bollox. the fact is we have a squad worth 200 million. anyway it doesn't matter if we have a team full of 30 million quid players, they will all find themselves spending time on the bench while sh!te gets a run out against the weaker teams resulting in dropped points.

He has had money and on the whole he has wasted money, just like houllier did buying all that french sh!te, rafa has bough sh!te, he knows it, I know it, you all know it.

I can't be @rsed going through all his signings and which of them are still here, but I am sure he has bought and then sold many players during his time here, and then replaced them with players of the same ilk. nothing to do with money, any fool knows who are good players and its easy to pay through the nose for them, nothing clever about spotting talent, the clever thing is getting them to play for you and then using the properly.

We have 11 players good enough to win the league in my opinion,what we don't have is a manager that's good enough to win the league, he doesn't know how to get the best out of what he has.

is this a contradiction saying he has bought sh!te but hen saying we have 11 players good enough, no its not, he hasn't built a squad good enough

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