heimdall wrote:NANNY RED wrote:Bam wrote:NANNY RED wrote:s@int wrote:I just think its one of those things mate. If you have faith in a player and he makes a bad pass or scores an own goal .... you brush it off. If you have major doubts about a player and he makes a bad pass or scores an own goal you see it as confirming your opinion.
Same with Rafa, if you believe he is still definately the right man for the job, you accept he has made mistakes but brush them aside, if you are having doubts, it just confirms you were right to doubt him.
Do you know what Saint i couldnt agree more on what you have just said. As you know i have faith in the manager because i believe in my heart he is doing what is best for Liverpool football club. I said ages ago in another thread we have a fan on the inside in Rafa, i seriously believe that. It was the samei suppose when Xabi wasnt playing well my faith in his abilities never waverd, i knew he would come good again it was just a matter of believing in him. Because them god given talents that he has, could of been our loss. An before anyone says Rafa wanted to sell him for Barry. We dont know the full story there either. But i still believe the owners were behind trying to raise as much money as they could. But it didnt work out
Its correct though when you say you either believe in our manager or you dont. an thats all it boils down to.
Oh so now Rafa didnt want to sell Alonso, and possibly the Yanks wanted Keane out. To make a quick buck.
Nanny Rafa cant do any wrong in your eyes can he, I meanyou seem to have an excuse for everything Rafa does wrong.
Blind faith makes me cringe sometimes it really does.
Bam i said we dont know the full story same with the Keane situation, An at the mo the Agger situation why hasnt he been given a new contract yet, We just dont know. I remember the Gerrard situation i thought id never forgive him for wanting to leave us an go to them others but when i read his book Bam i got a different insight into it, Parry being the main factor, Thats all im trying to say. We just dont know, we all believe what we want to believe on a personal level,
Im not excusing him at all, Its just that im not round the dinner table with Rafa listening to whats going on, But maybe your right i do have blind faith in him, But thats just how i feel
Nanny, the way I see it, and this is one of the things that annoys me the most with Rafa, is that whenever he wants some glory or fans to feel sorry for him he has no problem leaking news out to the media via one of his cronies who now seems to include Xabi Alonso for some bizare reason. For that reason I am inclined to think that he did screw up the Keane sale, if he had wanted to buy a replacement but got screwed over by the numpties then he would have made it known, also if he was being pressured into selling Xabi against his will he would have made that known.
I find it touching but a bit naive that some of you think Rafa has anybody but himself as top priority when most evidence points to him using every trick in the book to gain an advantage for himself by dragging the good name of the club through the mud which is the english tabloid press at every given opportunity. In many ways I actually think Houllier was more of a Liverpool manager in the traditional role than Rafa will ever be.
Why for instance do you guys think that he focusses more on the Champions League rather than the premiership, (this season perhaps excepted) when he knows that the prem is more important to us fans. The reason is that personally he doesn't really give two sh1ts about the prem, it is far more important for him to make himself look good for potential Italian and Spanish clubs.
Maybe I'm being harsh but I just don't get this view that Rafa is Mr.Liverpool.
I personally think that's way too harsh. I've no doubts Rafa cares about the club and the supporters and isn't trying to cynically get one over on them at every turn. I do agree that he's not above using the press to manipulate situations when things get awkward with Parry or the owners but I'm not having this idea that he "doesn't give a sh!t" about the league and that all of his focus is on the Champions League in order to pimp himself out to continental clubs. People like you always bang on about "happy clappers" completely ignoring Rafa's faults but it cuts both ways, mate. Even Rafa's harshest critics should be able to acknowledge that he has done some incredible work for the club and that he genuinely cares, I should think.
