The negites need to read this lol
The Kop Pledge
Always support the team, no matter how bad they are playing.
If the team is doing badly, cheer even louder as they need your support more.
If a player is struggling, sing his name louder and more often as he needs it.
If the opposition are the better side and perform well, appreciate it and give them the credit they are due.
My indictment of the rafa benitez regime
by Number 9 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:07 pm
Effes wrote:GYBS wrote:with you one hundred per cent nanny and number 9 . Its getting to the stage where im afraid to post anything positive cause you know the same old crowd and sides will come pouring in with the same negative. Ynwa . A couple of negative idiots on a message board wont stop me being positive and supporting liverpool the players and the manager one hundred per cent .
GYBS mate, Im not a Rafa out man; but Ive noticed some people have been jumping on your posts
a bit too excessively.
Just tell 'em where to stick it man.
Fair play to the fella for finding the energy for trying to post amongst all the shi'te on here lately!I dont know how he can be bothered most of the time.
It was no where near this bad over the last 4 years or so on here for negativity at this stage and we are usually well and truely out of it,clinging to champions league hopes.
The only thing that is positive and must be remembered is that this forum is absolutely not a mirror of the collective mindset(if such a thing exists) of LFC fans in general.It just seems to be that its a gathering of the most negative at times.Of course I can only speak from what I know.But I know a hell of a lot of LFC fans here where i live and most are happy enough with where we stand at present.
Of course I have called Rafa a silly kunt at times this season,because he has been.There is no arguing with that.
Im just wondering,is there as much negativity on all LFC forums or is newkit unique in its constant whinging??
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by GYBS » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:12 pm
i remember couple days ago new people where registering and actually stating they are coming on here to have a go at the manager and some players . That was their whole reason for coming on - to critisize and moan . Well as you expect they were welcomed with open arms by the moaners and sheep 
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by woof woof ! » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:13 pm
Effes wrote:Listen to you's, drama queens.
You cant take some kind of moral high ground, just because you have more positive views than others.
Since when has posting negative views on a poxy internet forum been against the concept of YNWA?
We aren't in the ground.
Some people take these threads too seriously.
Nah , we just get f'ucked of by the pr'icks who claim to support the club the manager the team and yet they only seem to relish posting when things aren't going our way.As for taking "these threads too seriously" .
It's a Liverpool Supporters Forum . If at time's it's too serious for you there's nothing stopping you from f'ucking off to a chat room where maybe they'll tell you how to spell the name of your favourite beer.
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by NANNY RED » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:15 pm
I nicked this post from RAWK. Sorry.but i found it a great read. This lad Smallwoodred who posted it has got it spot on imo.
Recent events at Stamford Bridge with the departure of Scolari should all too clearly sound alarm bells for any Liverpool fan.
Chelseas implosion this season and with Arsenal seemingly a shadow of their former selves, suddenly 2 of the barriers standing in the way of Uniteds total domination of the Premier League appear to have been removed.
It’s a worrying development both for Liverpool (who of course see United nearing there record of 18 league championships), and for the wider football world who certainly do not want to see an annual procession of United sewing up the title by Easter each year.
Whether you like Benitez or not (and I happen to), Liverpool now present the only serious obstacle to United going on to win the title this season. In all probability and on current form it is Uniteds to lose and if they do go on to lift the trophy in May, there we have it – 18 each. Unthinkable. It couldn’t get any worse.
Well it can. How about them going on to take 19, 20, 21 …..? It’s a distinct possibility if those in the anti Benitez camp do not start to understand what it will take to overhaul Uniteds dominance.
To understand why I say this you need to look back a few years.
The fact is that 2 teams have dominated the English League over the last 35 years – Liverpool and Man United. You can name other teams who have had moments of success e.g. Everton in the 80s, Arsenal and Chelsea more recently, but these are more exceptions than the norm.
If you study the pattern of domestic league titles since 1970 you cannot escape the fact that once a team becomes dominant they stay in that position until circumstances contrive to knock them off their perch. Once they are off it is incredibly difficult for them to climb back on. Success breeds success because the stronger the top team is the more the best players want to play there and the more successful the team becomes. The trend towards improvement continues like a machine for the top side while the others follow in their wake. Indeed in an era where money plays such a huge part in success, the effect of success in the present on future achievements is even more marked.
You see this with Liverpool during the mid - 1970s onwards. The great side with Keegan and Clemence merged seamlessly into the sides of the 1980s of Dalglish, Rush and Souness and later Nicol, Macmahon and Barnes. When Barnes and Beardsley came up for sale there was only one place for them to go – Liverpool, and from this the team reached new heights.
The side of 88-90 was the result of 2 decades of continuous improvement and continuity and financial success. Untouchable probably by any team in Europe at the time.
However, within 3 years Liverpool were also rans to Man United who still occupy their position of total domination today. There have been moments when they may have looked like being removed (Arsenal 2001-03, Chelsea 2004/6) but somehow they have survived and this is as much to do with circumstances as their own strength.
The situation facing the manager of Liverpool today is the same as that which faced Alex Fergsuson when he joined Man United in 1987.
Fergusons objective when he became manager at United was to remove Liverpool as top dog in the domestic league. To do this he needed to achieve 2 things:
Firstly, they needed to improve on an annual basis. This may seem obvious but this takes time. Time is a factor managers do not readily have in abundance so allowing for United to catch Liverpool by steady improvement alone was never going to happen.
Secondly, Liverpool needed to go into long term plateau or even decline. This, combined with Uniteds steady improvement, meant that potentially a large gap in quality between the 2 sides could be bridged in a sufficiently short time to keep Ferguson in a job.
If you study Liverpools decline in the early 90s and Man Uniteds current survival at the top of the domestic tree you can see how the timing of key moments can impact massively on the longer term success of the club.
Liverpools fall from dominance can be traced back to April 1989 and the disaster at Hillsborough. What occurred there had such an impact on the club, players and most of all the manager that the side was never the same again. Importantly the mental impact it had on Kenny Dalglish contributed heavily towards his inability to do his job. Key players who were ageing were not phased out and the team started to stagnate. The longer term impact of the pressure caused the resignation of Dalglish in 1991 and this left the club in a perilous position.
All this was occurring against a backdrop of the slow but steady rebuilding and improvement of Man United under Ferguson. It was not apparent at the time but the gap between Liverpool and United was getting smaller. The situation was not a crisis but the correct appointment had to be made to set the club back on course and begin the process of annual improvement once more.
As we know the wrong appointment was made and Souness lurched the club into a position that it has never properly recovered from.
So how is this relevant to Benitez and why do I feel that we have no option (like him or not) to back him?
Firstly, to stop United disappearing into the distance Liverpool need a manager who is going to assure continuous improvement. Contrary to the way the press present it, improvement does not necessarily mean spectacular challenges to the title each season. It means stability and continuity and building a squad year on year which is stronger each season both in quality and depth. It is the building of backroom staff and youth set up. (See Ferguson 87-92). All these ensure the gap between Liverpool and United is reducing slowly but surely.
Secondly, and probably the most crucial point is that United have a big problem in the next couple of years – the retirement of Ferguson. This will coincide with the disappearance of Giggs, Scholes and Neville who still form the bedrock of the squad even when they are not on the pitch. United must handle the replacement of the most successful manager since Paisley and 3 of the most experienced players ever to have played in English football. This represents a task possibly bigger than what Liverpool faced in 1991. Liverpool now are much closer to United than United were to Liverpool in 1991 so United have less room for manouvre.
As I pointed out earlier removing Liverpool from dominance in the early 90s was as much about circumstance as improvement of United. United had allowed themselves to be in the best possible position to take advantage of Liverpools decline. Had United sacked Ferguson back in 1990 (as would have happened had they not won the cup), it is highly likely that a new manager would have rebuilt the squad and team and thus would not have been strong enough to fill the void and who knows what would have happened?
My point is that like him or not, Benitez has us closer to United nearing a time they may well be at their most vulnerable. Changing him now can only weaken our position both short and long term.
If he goes we pass perhaps the only remaining opportunity in a generation to knock United off the perch.
Recent events at Stamford Bridge with the departure of Scolari should all too clearly sound alarm bells for any Liverpool fan.
Chelseas implosion this season and with Arsenal seemingly a shadow of their former selves, suddenly 2 of the barriers standing in the way of Uniteds total domination of the Premier League appear to have been removed.
It’s a worrying development both for Liverpool (who of course see United nearing there record of 18 league championships), and for the wider football world who certainly do not want to see an annual procession of United sewing up the title by Easter each year.
Whether you like Benitez or not (and I happen to), Liverpool now present the only serious obstacle to United going on to win the title this season. In all probability and on current form it is Uniteds to lose and if they do go on to lift the trophy in May, there we have it – 18 each. Unthinkable. It couldn’t get any worse.
Well it can. How about them going on to take 19, 20, 21 …..? It’s a distinct possibility if those in the anti Benitez camp do not start to understand what it will take to overhaul Uniteds dominance.
To understand why I say this you need to look back a few years.
The fact is that 2 teams have dominated the English League over the last 35 years – Liverpool and Man United. You can name other teams who have had moments of success e.g. Everton in the 80s, Arsenal and Chelsea more recently, but these are more exceptions than the norm.
If you study the pattern of domestic league titles since 1970 you cannot escape the fact that once a team becomes dominant they stay in that position until circumstances contrive to knock them off their perch. Once they are off it is incredibly difficult for them to climb back on. Success breeds success because the stronger the top team is the more the best players want to play there and the more successful the team becomes. The trend towards improvement continues like a machine for the top side while the others follow in their wake. Indeed in an era where money plays such a huge part in success, the effect of success in the present on future achievements is even more marked.
You see this with Liverpool during the mid - 1970s onwards. The great side with Keegan and Clemence merged seamlessly into the sides of the 1980s of Dalglish, Rush and Souness and later Nicol, Macmahon and Barnes. When Barnes and Beardsley came up for sale there was only one place for them to go – Liverpool, and from this the team reached new heights.
The side of 88-90 was the result of 2 decades of continuous improvement and continuity and financial success. Untouchable probably by any team in Europe at the time.
However, within 3 years Liverpool were also rans to Man United who still occupy their position of total domination today. There have been moments when they may have looked like being removed (Arsenal 2001-03, Chelsea 2004/6) but somehow they have survived and this is as much to do with circumstances as their own strength.
The situation facing the manager of Liverpool today is the same as that which faced Alex Fergsuson when he joined Man United in 1987.
Fergusons objective when he became manager at United was to remove Liverpool as top dog in the domestic league. To do this he needed to achieve 2 things:
Firstly, they needed to improve on an annual basis. This may seem obvious but this takes time. Time is a factor managers do not readily have in abundance so allowing for United to catch Liverpool by steady improvement alone was never going to happen.
Secondly, Liverpool needed to go into long term plateau or even decline. This, combined with Uniteds steady improvement, meant that potentially a large gap in quality between the 2 sides could be bridged in a sufficiently short time to keep Ferguson in a job.
If you study Liverpools decline in the early 90s and Man Uniteds current survival at the top of the domestic tree you can see how the timing of key moments can impact massively on the longer term success of the club.
Liverpools fall from dominance can be traced back to April 1989 and the disaster at Hillsborough. What occurred there had such an impact on the club, players and most of all the manager that the side was never the same again. Importantly the mental impact it had on Kenny Dalglish contributed heavily towards his inability to do his job. Key players who were ageing were not phased out and the team started to stagnate. The longer term impact of the pressure caused the resignation of Dalglish in 1991 and this left the club in a perilous position.
All this was occurring against a backdrop of the slow but steady rebuilding and improvement of Man United under Ferguson. It was not apparent at the time but the gap between Liverpool and United was getting smaller. The situation was not a crisis but the correct appointment had to be made to set the club back on course and begin the process of annual improvement once more.
As we know the wrong appointment was made and Souness lurched the club into a position that it has never properly recovered from.
So how is this relevant to Benitez and why do I feel that we have no option (like him or not) to back him?
Firstly, to stop United disappearing into the distance Liverpool need a manager who is going to assure continuous improvement. Contrary to the way the press present it, improvement does not necessarily mean spectacular challenges to the title each season. It means stability and continuity and building a squad year on year which is stronger each season both in quality and depth. It is the building of backroom staff and youth set up. (See Ferguson 87-92). All these ensure the gap between Liverpool and United is reducing slowly but surely.
Secondly, and probably the most crucial point is that United have a big problem in the next couple of years – the retirement of Ferguson. This will coincide with the disappearance of Giggs, Scholes and Neville who still form the bedrock of the squad even when they are not on the pitch. United must handle the replacement of the most successful manager since Paisley and 3 of the most experienced players ever to have played in English football. This represents a task possibly bigger than what Liverpool faced in 1991. Liverpool now are much closer to United than United were to Liverpool in 1991 so United have less room for manouvre.
As I pointed out earlier removing Liverpool from dominance in the early 90s was as much about circumstance as improvement of United. United had allowed themselves to be in the best possible position to take advantage of Liverpools decline. Had United sacked Ferguson back in 1990 (as would have happened had they not won the cup), it is highly likely that a new manager would have rebuilt the squad and team and thus would not have been strong enough to fill the void and who knows what would have happened?
My point is that like him or not, Benitez has us closer to United nearing a time they may well be at their most vulnerable. Changing him now can only weaken our position both short and long term.
If he goes we pass perhaps the only remaining opportunity in a generation to knock United off the perch.
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by account deleted by request » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:21 pm
woof woof ! wrote:Effes wrote::laugh: Listen to you's, drama queens.
You cant take some kind of moral high ground, just because you have more positive views than others.
Since when has posting negative views on a poxy internet forum been against the concept of YNWA?
We aren't in the ground.
Some people take these threads too seriously.
As for taking "these threads too seriously" .
It's a Liverpool Supporters Forum . If at time's it's too serious for you there's nothing stopping you from f'ucking off to a chat room where maybe they'll tell you how to spell the name of your favourite beer.
No need for that Woof. This is a forum, Liverpool fans have been moaning and groaning about players and the manager since at least Kenny's days ...... its nothing new mate, its just been exacerbated imo because of the contract talks and our recent bad run.
A lot of people are unsure of what genuine progress we have made and to be talking or giving a new contract is a big leap in the dark when there is so much of the season still to play.
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by Effes » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:23 pm
woof woof ! wrote:Effes wrote::laugh: Listen to you's, drama queens.
You cant take some kind of moral high ground, just because you have more positive views than others.
Since when has posting negative views on a poxy internet forum been against the concept of YNWA?
We aren't in the ground.
Some people take these threads too seriously.
As for taking "these threads too seriously" .
It's a Liverpool Supporters Forum . If at time's it's too serious for you there's nothing stopping you from f'ucking off to a chat room where maybe they'll tell you how to spell the name of your favourite beer.
I know it's spelt wrong; it aint my favourite beer - it was everyhere in Istanbul.
It's not worth getting all narked up lad.
Matt McQueen - Liverpool 1892-1928.
Only professional to - play in goal (41 appearances), Defence, Midfield, Striker, and later be Director and then to be Manager (winning a Championship) - at one club
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by account deleted by request » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:29 pm
A good post Nanny (from Rawk) but the truth is back then we were struggling for money due to the European ban, made worse in the aftermath of Hillsborough by having to install seating, while today the mancs can just buy what they need when they need it. Money can't win you trophies, but it can be a bloody good assistant manager.
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by woof woof ! » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:38 pm
s@int wrote:woof woof ! wrote:Effes wrote::laugh: Listen to you's, drama queens.
You cant take some kind of moral high ground, just because you have more positive views than others.
Since when has posting negative views on a poxy internet forum been against the concept of YNWA?
We aren't in the ground.
Some people take these threads too seriously.
As for taking "these threads too seriously" .
It's a Liverpool Supporters Forum . If at time's it's too serious for you there's nothing stopping you from f'ucking off to a chat room where maybe they'll tell you how to spell the name of your favourite beer.
No need for that Woof. This is a forum, Liverpool fans have been moaning and groaning about players and the manager since at least Kenny's days ...... its nothing new mate, its just been exacerbated imo because of the contract talks and our recent bad run.
You can f'uck off as well. Who the f'uck are you to tell me "No need for that Woof " ?
Sick and f'ucking tired of the navel gazing "pundits" in here.
Instead of standing on the sidelines holding someones coat why not try really positively supporting the club ?. On the other hand you could always just f'uck off from the forum until the end off the season, maybe then you can can come back and tell us all how right you were.
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by Number 9 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:39 pm
s@int wrote:Liverpool fans have been moaning and groaning about players and the manager since at least Kenny's days ...... its nothing new mate, its just been exacerbated imo because of the contract talks and our recent bad run.
That is very true mate,you will always get the moaners to a degree!
But this board of late is way OTT in its negativity.Its almost as if,if you say something positive you are going against the grain.That to me just does'nt feel right especially when its meant to be a forum of people who love the club.
It may be acceptable if we were 11 points behind and out of it but we are not.
I have to laugh for example at Owzats big Carol Vordermanesque gathering of stats and numbers.Everyone applauding"yeah we are are
"......"good work"...Yeah fuc'king fantastic,the fella took basically everything he could find to make the team look shi'te ignoring anything positive in the process..AND THAT GETS APPLAUDED ON AN LFC FORUM..WTF??What is this place becoming...is it like,whoever makes Rafa and the team look really cr@p and useless is great and someone walks out and gives him a prize??
Fuc'king two points off the lead and yeah we probably should be in a better postion,but I think we have done OK given Nando being out for most of the season and the fact that when he has played hes mostly been struggling.Throw in the fact that Keane was a waste of space and it aint all that bad to be two points off the top considering we've practically done it strikerless..very general statement but a fact none the less!
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by Igor Zidane » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:44 pm
To be honest i'd rather the arguements or debate in here than at the match . That's where you get behind the team and don't feckin boo . Moaning about this player or that player or this result or whatever is for the ale house or in here . Personally i've got know problem with the majority of lads who have concerns in here ,aslong as they post sensibly which 99% do i'm happy to argue the toss . It's the other 1% that do me head and talk nothing but poo. It's all good fun really .
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by account deleted by request » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:48 pm
woof woof ! wrote:s@int wrote:woof woof ! wrote:Effes wrote::laugh: Listen to you's, drama queens.
You cant take some kind of moral high ground, just because you have more positive views than others.
Since when has posting negative views on a poxy internet forum been against the concept of YNWA?
We aren't in the ground.
Some people take these threads too seriously.
As for taking "these threads too seriously" .
It's a Liverpool Supporters Forum . If at time's it's too serious for you there's nothing stopping you from f'ucking off to a chat room where maybe they'll tell you how to spell the name of your favourite beer.
No need for that Woof. This is a forum, Liverpool fans have been moaning and groaning about players and the manager since at least Kenny's days ...... its nothing new mate, its just been exacerbated imo because of the contract talks and our recent bad run.
You can f'uck off as well. Who the f'uck are you to tell me "No need for that Woof " ?
Sick and f'ucking tired of the navel gazing "pundits" in here.
Instead of standing on the sidelines holding someones coat why not try really positively supporting the club ?. On the other hand you could always just f'uck off from the forum until the end off the season, maybe then you can can come back and tell us all how right you were.
Well maybe its you that should f. off Woof its you that seems to be having the problem with this thread not me .
Any way you want it Woof. I think you were out of order and I said so, I think you are out of order now too. So you can either like it or lump it as far as I am concerned.
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by woof woof ! » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:59 pm
s@int wrote:Well maybe its you that should f. off Woof its you that seems to be having the problem with this thread not me .
Any way you want it Woof. I think you were out of order and I said so, I think you are out of order now too. So you can either like it or lump it as far as I am concerned.
I don't have a problem with the thread. I do however have a problem with the number of kunts who infest it.
Maybe you're right (for once), perhaps I should f'uck off. Five years in the forum and the number of "plastic" supporters like yourself in here are really wearing me down.
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by Igor Zidane » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:03 pm
woof woof ! wrote:s@int wrote:Well maybe its you that should f. off Woof its you that seems to be having the problem with this thread not me .
Any way you want it Woof. I think you were out of order and I said so, I think you are out of order now too. So you can either like it or lump it as far as I am concerned.
I don't have a problem with the thread. I do however have a problem with the number of kunts who infest it.
Maybe you're right (for once), perhaps I should f'uck off. Five years in the forum and the number of "plastic" supporters like yourself in here are really wearing me down.
Chill woof lash , it's St valentine's ,your virtually certain to get a bit tonight mate.
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by account deleted by request » Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:07 pm
woof woof ! wrote:s@int wrote:Well maybe its you that should f. off Woof its you that seems to be having the problem with this thread not me .
Any way you want it Woof. I think you were out of order and I said so, I think you are out of order now too. So you can either like it or lump it as far as I am concerned.
I don't have a problem with the thread. I do however have a problem with the number of kunts who infest it.
Maybe you're right (for once), perhaps I should f'uck off. Five years in the forum and the number of "plastic" supporters like yourself in here are really wearing me down.
I think we both know there's only one plastic supporter arguing here mate, and its not me.
If you tried making a football post every once in a while it might be a help, rather than moaning about what other people are posting.
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