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by **bigmick** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:13 pm

Sheep? I don't get this bit. Just because people agree with a certain point, it doesn't make them "sheep". People who believe that Rafa ought to be given another contract and the wherewithall to turn the five year plan into a ten year plan aren't sheep, they have come to an opinion based on what they've seen what they've read, how they feel etc and they are entitled so to do. Similarly, people who don't believe that aren't sheep either. Surely they ought to allowed an opinion as well, and the courtesy of an acceptance that they probably drew conclusions in the same way as people on the oppositie side of the debate?

The fact that one of the most obvious choices was missed off the options wasn't a huge problem I didn't think, and I don't understand why people got so hot under the collar about it. I deliberately started a completely seperate thread in a completely seperate section of the forum about the most glaring "others" omission that I could think of. I did it precisely because if I had put it in the poll thread it would have derailed it. I then made a mental note to myself not to even mention that persons name in your poll thread, once again to give it a good chance to run. I stuck to that intil right near the end, despite numerous attempts by people to get me onto the subject of that person.

Then, when the thread gets closed down the advice given is to open a new thread about any "others", but I'd already done it two days previously. If poll threads about the managers position (which I still think are a bit out of order given we have a manager who is challenging for the title) descend into name calling and flame wars then fair enough, but in this case it all seemed pretty cordial to me.

One of the biggest shames of the thing is that you never did get the chance GYBS to properly answer Peewee's question a couple of pages from the end of the locked thread. Perhaps you didn't see it I don't know, but given that your opinion of some of the "others" in your poll led to you omitting them from your top eight, it would be interesting to read your thoughts on that one.

The feeling persists though I'm afraid that whenever the discussion becomes a bit uncomfortable for certain posters, threads get locked.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:19 pm

Bah bah mind you im a cow anyway so it doest concern me :;):

by **Sabre** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:21 pm

bigmick wrote:Strange about the poll on the manager being closed. I didn't see a single piece of bad language, didn't see a smidge of abuse, everyone was respectful and the like. It was a bit like when the Robbie Keane thread was locked and you could say the same things then.

It's almost as if when the thread takes on a direction which makes it uncomfortable for certain posters, they ask for threads to be locked. Almost like a forum censorship without over dramatising it I really can't see the problem with a poll which included the option of "others" in discussing one of the "others". It didn't get locked when Paul Jewell came under discussion, so why would it when someone else did. Very strange.

Nothing strange, sometimes in forums the creator of the thread do request their own thread to be closed, and it seems the mods obligued.

So no retreats because of uncomfortable directions... where were we?

by **GYBS** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:27 pm

Nothing to do with uncomfortable as i said you constantly kept bringing up the point i missed him out yet earlier in the thread i explained that i missed him out by pure accident and a mistake and wasnt done on purpose yet you still kept bringing it up and was getting boring and repeatative beyond belief from yourself .

And as for jewell and small club for maureen i didnt say maureen should try a small club - i said he should try a club without unlimited funds and without a squad that is already star studded and needs to build up the squad in the prem to challenge for honours within a tight budget ie cant spend 10 to 20 odd million on every single player and i didnt rate jewell because in my eyes his cv is very up and down .having done a decent jon getting small clubs to the prem but leaving when it was getting tight and also failing at two other small clubs .

And as for what i want the manager to be at Liverpool

Experienced at a high level
Successful at a high level
Tactically aware
Not afraid to take risks
Defensive sound
humble
Acts with dignity and class
Treats others with respect
Has the respect of the players and fans
Knows the Liverpool way or is willing to learn
Doesnt rant and rave at every manager manager in a non calm way
Ability to improve players through his coaching and management
Turns Liverpool into a force in the prem and Europe
Able to work within tight budgets
Not afraid to make mistakes
Sticks to his beliefs and not afriad to stick up for himself
Can work under extreme pressure.
Ability to spot potential in a young player
has he plays playing in a fair way and mature way

Now i know there is prob not one manager out there who will fit every single one of them but im prety happy that i feel rafa does fill a lot of that criteria and if given time and backing from everyone will fill more .

ps. i hope this post is long enought for you - not a novel but a good paragraphs worth

by **Igor Zidane** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:41 pm

My criteria for the manager of liverpool . Is he or she MUST have just two things .

The first is - The first name must be Rafa

The second is - The second name must be Benitez .

Anything short of that and there not good enough for LFC

In my very humble opinion of course . VIVA LA RAFALUTION .

by **GYBS** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:42 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:My criteria fot the manager of liverpool . Is he or she MUST have just two things .

The first is - The first name must be Rafa

The second is - The second name must be Benitez .

Anything short of that and there not good enough for LFC

In my very humble opinion of course . VIVA LA RAFALUTION .

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:42 pm

Igor Zidane wrote:My criteria fot the manager of liverpool . Is he or she MUST have just two things .

The first is - The first name must be Rafa

The second is - The second name must be Benitez .

Anything short of that and there not good enough for LFC

In my very humble opinion of course . VIVA LA RAFALUTION .

Very Humble

by **bigmick** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:42 pm

Sounds like you've come to the same conclusion as me GYBS if we should ever be looking for a new manager then. Tell me, is it reading the Mourinho thread which convinced you of his credentials or did you come to your conclusions from another source?

Unfortunately though mate, much as I agree it seems like a good idea, I also agree with you in that it would be very difficult to get him. He's probably the most sought after manager in World football after all.

by **Effes** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:44 pm

Sabre wrote:
bigmick wrote:Strange about the poll on the manager being closed. I didn't see a single piece of bad language, didn't see a smidge of abuse, everyone was respectful and the like. It was a bit like when the Robbie Keane thread was locked and you could say the same things then.

It's almost as if when the thread takes on a direction which makes it uncomfortable for certain posters, they ask for threads to be locked. Almost like a forum censorship without over dramatising it I really can't see the problem with a poll which included the option of "others" in discussing one of the "others". It didn't get locked when Paul Jewell came under discussion, so why would it when someone else did. Very strange.

Nothing strange, sometimes in forums the creator of the thread do request their own thread to be closed, and it seems the mods obligued.

by **Sabre** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:48 pm

Nothing to do with uncomfortable as i said you constantly kept bringing up the point i missed him out yet earlier in the thread i explained that i missed him out by pure accident and a mistake and wasnt done on purpose yet you still kept bringing it up and was getting boring and repeatative beyond belief from yourself .

Posts are written. And read. In the reading proccess there's an interpretation. Meaning, the same text, come across differently to every poster of the forum.

My interpretation of Mick's taking the píss about the others wasn't that he was trying to insist on your "mistake" (I don't think it was BTW

) .

In my opinion, he thinks that speaking of Mourinho is a bit of a taboo that can't be discussed, that's why he sent the discussion of Mou to the premiership section, in order not to try to get Rafa involved.

I think all the mócking of "the others" wasn't against you, but against the difficulties to discuss Mourinho as a possible manager.

And that was my interpretation, nothing personal against you... the same text was probably understood differently by another member, and probably Mick had another idea in mind aswell.

by **bigmick** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:49 pm

Anyway, this is an excellent thread and I don't want to derail it with talking about somebody else. The thread is called "My indictment of the Rafa Benitez regime" and I'll try and find somewhere else to discuss the stuff we were discussing last night until the thread got locked.

Back to "My indictment of the Rafa Benitez regime". As you were.

by **GYBS** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:49 pm

bigmick wrote:Sounds like you've come to the same conclusion as me GYBS if we should ever be looking for a new manager then. Tell me, is it reading the Mourinho thread which convinced you of his credentials or did you come to your conclusions from another source?

Unfortunately though mate, much as I agree it seems like a good idea, I also agree with you in that it would be very difficult to get him. He's probably the most sought after manager in World football after all.

Thats the thing thats different i dont think maureen fills enough for me . and will never want hiim as manager .

by **bigmick** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:50 pm

bigmick wrote:Anyway, this is an excellent thread and I don't want to derail it with talking about somebody else. The thread is called "My indictment of the Rafa Benitez regime" and I'll try and find somewhere else to discuss the stuff we were discussing last night until the thread got locked.

Back to "My indictment of the Rafa Benitez regime". As you were.

As you were.

by **Number 9** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:59 pm

bigmick wrote:Sheep? I don't get this bit. Just because people agree with a certain point, it doesn't make them "sheep". People who believe that Rafa ought to be given another contract and the wherewithall to turn the five year plan into a ten year plan aren't sheep, they have come to an opinion based on what they've seen what they've read, how they feel etc and they are entitled so to do. Similarly, people who don't believe that aren't sheep either. Surely they ought to allowed an opinion as well, and the courtesy of an acceptance that they probably drew conclusions in the same way as people on the oppositie side of the debate?

The fact that one of the most obvious choices was missed off the options wasn't a huge problem I didn't think, and I don't understand why people got so hot under the collar about it. I deliberately started a completely seperate thread in a completely seperate section of the forum about the most glaring "others" omission that I could think of. I did it precisely because if I had put it in the poll thread it would have derailed it. I then made a mental note to myself not to even mention that persons name in your poll thread, once again to give it a good chance to run. I stuck to that intil right near the end, despite numerous attempts by people to get me onto the subject of that person.

Then, when the thread gets closed down the advice given is to open a new thread about any "others", but I'd already done it two days previously. If poll threads about the managers position (which I still think are a bit out of order given we have a manager who is challenging for the title) descend into name calling and flame wars then fair enough, but in this case it all seemed pretty cordial to me.

One of the biggest shames of the thing is that you never did get the chance GYBS to properly answer Peewee's question a couple of pages from the end of the locked thread. Perhaps you didn't see it I don't know, but given that your opinion of some of the "others" in your poll led to you omitting them from your top eight, it would be interesting to read your thoughts on that one.

The feeling persists though I'm afraid that whenever the discussion becomes a bit uncomfortable for certain posters, threads get locked.

Maybe some people are just getting pi$$ed off coming on the board and listening to how shi'te Rafa is at everything,how he will never win the League and has to go,and how wonderful Mourinho is mate?

No big deal that the thread was locked.In fact one thread for w@nking over Mourinho is plenty...maybe even on too many!

by **heimdall** » Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:02 pm

bigmick wrote:
bigmick wrote:Anyway, this is an excellent thread and I don't want to derail it with talking about somebody else. The thread is called "My indictment of the Rafa Benitez regime" and I'll try and find somewhere else to discuss the stuff we were discussing last night until the thread got locked.

Back to "My indictment of the Rafa Benitez regime". As you were.

As you were.

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