Who shoudl replace rafa if he is sacked or left
by Madmax » Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:03 pm
interesting article
Lucky, lucky Liverpool
I think we all knew what the headlines were going to be as soon as Fernando Torres nodded in that 92nd minute winner. As the men on the pitch and the fans in the stand celebrated in the way only a last minute winner can be, the hacks in the press box had already written their match reports; and there's no way they were re-writing their critical words of the manager and his selections just because of a late winner.
"Late Torres winner gets manager off the hook"
"Rafa the rotator strikes lucky"
The lazy press, bar the odd few exceptions, seem to have a typecast of each club and report on that typecast no matter what.
For Arsenal they are brilliant to watch, producing flowing football and have some of the best youngsters around. Yet Wenger is never criticised, despite going without silverware for over 5 years and currently 12 points off the pace in the league and in grave danger of missing out on a Champions League slot for next season.
Chelsea have spent incredible sums of money, yet are currently sat 4th in the league, dropped yet more points at home over the weekend and have won only 4 of their last 11 matches. But they are known as a brilliant counter attacking side and one of Europe's best. A handful of fans may have unfurled a "Scolari Out" banner over the weekend, but you won't find the nation's press and media asking questions of him. I put that banner and the booing down to the small time "new fan" Chelsea have following them these days. A side with only 3 league titles and no European Cup wins in their entire history now trying to hound out a manager halfway through a season as they've dropped a few points.
Anyway, back to the point being made.
Every time Liverpool concede a goal from a set piece it's put down to zonal marking. The pundits hark on about it in every post-match analysis, stating how they don't like it and it doesn't work. Yet non of them have enough of a brain to realise that Liverpool have had the best defensive record in the league over the past 3 or 4 years using that system. Non of them ever question the man marking system when another side concedes a goal from a set piece do they? It's lazy and it's all part of the typecast associated with each club.
They state we are nothing without Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard and will struggle in a big way without them. Yet somehow we've managed to sit top of the league for large parts of the season, with Torres spending most of that time sitting in the stands through injury. We managed to beat United at home without Torres or Gerrard in the side. We beat Chelsea away without Torres in the side. We beat Portsmouth on Saturday without Gerrard in the side. All of which is ignored when reverting to type in writing those reports or asking questions at a press conference.
Where Alex Ferguson rests his players and keeps his players fresh, Benitez rotates or drops them; damaging their confidence and ruining all chance we have of winning the league. When Man Utd win by the odd goal away from home despite hardly having a shot on target, they are deemed unstoppable. When Liverpool win by the odd goal away from home, despite having chances to score 6 or 7 goals, we are deemed lucky.
The side Benitez sent out at the weekend surprised everyone. We can argue the rights and wrongs of it until Lescott's wife comes home, but he got the result, came home with 3 points and the key players were only required for the last quarter of the game at most. Job done. The game could have been, and should have been, over long before then. We had enough chances to win it before the introduction of the so called rested stars. That was always the plan. To try and win the game with the side put out, and if not, then the others were on the bench to come on and change things if needed. It worked, and yet the manager is still grilled post-match over his selection and policy of resting players.
Torres, Alonso and Kuyt all had gruelling games in midweek against Everton and left the field on their knees. All will be turning out for their countries this week, and I think Rafa knows that they will play for the majority of those games, so wanted to give them a chance to rest. Even if they play the full 90 minutes for their countries, they will have had a rest this weekend, and then have another week or so off until our next game, returning with batteries recharged.
That result put us back top of the league, albeit for only 24 hours, yet the manager was being interrogated in the way he would if we'd just drawn away from home at relegation candidates and looked in grave danger of missing out on the lucrative top 4 finish; a little bit like Arsene Wenger maybe? I wonder if he was dragged over hot coals yesterday afternoon after falling further behind in the race for 4th place, never mind the race for the title.
The media treatment of Rafa Benitez is a disgrace.
I was critical of him after the Wigan game, mainly for his removal of Steven Gerrard and the defensive approach to those games. And I still think that criticism was justified, as is all constructive criticism when required. But when the criticism is constant, no matter what the result, then it starts to become a little tedious.
On Saturday we may have started with a different system and players in unfamiliar positions, but for me, it was an improved performance from other recent games on the road. We attacked, and even when we went 1-0 and 2-1 down, I still thought we were going to win the game. We went forward, attacked in numbers and I just knew it was a matter of time before we scored again. That's something I couldn't say about the games at Stoke and Wigan, and it was a refreshing change. We ended the game with Torres, Kuyt, Babel and Benayoun playing upfront and going for it, which is exactly the way we need to be finishing those games, as there is no margin for error anymore. Every game is a must win.
Is it too much to ask for games to be reported on, without letting a vendetta against a manager dictate the tone of that report?
Paul Jones
Lucky, lucky Liverpool
I think we all knew what the headlines were going to be as soon as Fernando Torres nodded in that 92nd minute winner. As the men on the pitch and the fans in the stand celebrated in the way only a last minute winner can be, the hacks in the press box had already written their match reports; and there's no way they were re-writing their critical words of the manager and his selections just because of a late winner.
"Late Torres winner gets manager off the hook"
"Rafa the rotator strikes lucky"
The lazy press, bar the odd few exceptions, seem to have a typecast of each club and report on that typecast no matter what.
For Arsenal they are brilliant to watch, producing flowing football and have some of the best youngsters around. Yet Wenger is never criticised, despite going without silverware for over 5 years and currently 12 points off the pace in the league and in grave danger of missing out on a Champions League slot for next season.
Chelsea have spent incredible sums of money, yet are currently sat 4th in the league, dropped yet more points at home over the weekend and have won only 4 of their last 11 matches. But they are known as a brilliant counter attacking side and one of Europe's best. A handful of fans may have unfurled a "Scolari Out" banner over the weekend, but you won't find the nation's press and media asking questions of him. I put that banner and the booing down to the small time "new fan" Chelsea have following them these days. A side with only 3 league titles and no European Cup wins in their entire history now trying to hound out a manager halfway through a season as they've dropped a few points.
Anyway, back to the point being made.
Every time Liverpool concede a goal from a set piece it's put down to zonal marking. The pundits hark on about it in every post-match analysis, stating how they don't like it and it doesn't work. Yet non of them have enough of a brain to realise that Liverpool have had the best defensive record in the league over the past 3 or 4 years using that system. Non of them ever question the man marking system when another side concedes a goal from a set piece do they? It's lazy and it's all part of the typecast associated with each club.
They state we are nothing without Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard and will struggle in a big way without them. Yet somehow we've managed to sit top of the league for large parts of the season, with Torres spending most of that time sitting in the stands through injury. We managed to beat United at home without Torres or Gerrard in the side. We beat Chelsea away without Torres in the side. We beat Portsmouth on Saturday without Gerrard in the side. All of which is ignored when reverting to type in writing those reports or asking questions at a press conference.
Where Alex Ferguson rests his players and keeps his players fresh, Benitez rotates or drops them; damaging their confidence and ruining all chance we have of winning the league. When Man Utd win by the odd goal away from home despite hardly having a shot on target, they are deemed unstoppable. When Liverpool win by the odd goal away from home, despite having chances to score 6 or 7 goals, we are deemed lucky.
The side Benitez sent out at the weekend surprised everyone. We can argue the rights and wrongs of it until Lescott's wife comes home, but he got the result, came home with 3 points and the key players were only required for the last quarter of the game at most. Job done. The game could have been, and should have been, over long before then. We had enough chances to win it before the introduction of the so called rested stars. That was always the plan. To try and win the game with the side put out, and if not, then the others were on the bench to come on and change things if needed. It worked, and yet the manager is still grilled post-match over his selection and policy of resting players.
Torres, Alonso and Kuyt all had gruelling games in midweek against Everton and left the field on their knees. All will be turning out for their countries this week, and I think Rafa knows that they will play for the majority of those games, so wanted to give them a chance to rest. Even if they play the full 90 minutes for their countries, they will have had a rest this weekend, and then have another week or so off until our next game, returning with batteries recharged.
That result put us back top of the league, albeit for only 24 hours, yet the manager was being interrogated in the way he would if we'd just drawn away from home at relegation candidates and looked in grave danger of missing out on the lucrative top 4 finish; a little bit like Arsene Wenger maybe? I wonder if he was dragged over hot coals yesterday afternoon after falling further behind in the race for 4th place, never mind the race for the title.
The media treatment of Rafa Benitez is a disgrace.
I was critical of him after the Wigan game, mainly for his removal of Steven Gerrard and the defensive approach to those games. And I still think that criticism was justified, as is all constructive criticism when required. But when the criticism is constant, no matter what the result, then it starts to become a little tedious.
On Saturday we may have started with a different system and players in unfamiliar positions, but for me, it was an improved performance from other recent games on the road. We attacked, and even when we went 1-0 and 2-1 down, I still thought we were going to win the game. We went forward, attacked in numbers and I just knew it was a matter of time before we scored again. That's something I couldn't say about the games at Stoke and Wigan, and it was a refreshing change. We ended the game with Torres, Kuyt, Babel and Benayoun playing upfront and going for it, which is exactly the way we need to be finishing those games, as there is no margin for error anymore. Every game is a must win.
Is it too much to ask for games to be reported on, without letting a vendetta against a manager dictate the tone of that report?
Paul Jones
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by Ciggy » Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:03 pm
Sir Roger wrote:What about moyes?
And he packs his lunch in a Sunblest bag
The children call him Bogie
He never lets on
But I know 'cause he once told me
He let me know a secret
About the money in his kitty
He's gonna buy a dinghy
Gonna call her Dignity
There is no-one anywhere in the world at any stage who is any bigger or any better than this football club.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
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by Sir Roger » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:05 am
Ciggy wrote:Sir Roger wrote:What about moyes?
And he packs his lunch in a Sunblest bag
The children call him Bogie
He never lets on
But I know 'cause he once told me
He let me know a secret
About the money in his kitty
He's gonna buy a dinghy
Gonna call her Dignity
Set em up etc
Ha
Is that a yes then?
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by Ciggy » Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:20 am
Sir Roger wrote:Ciggy wrote:Sir Roger wrote:What about moyes?
And he packs his lunch in a Sunblest bag
The children call him Bogie
He never lets on
But I know 'cause he once told me
He let me know a secret
About the money in his kitty
He's gonna buy a dinghy
Gonna call her Dignity
Set em up etc
Ha
Is that a yes then?
No he said him and Everton do things with dignity I think the song is quite innept.
There is no-one anywhere in the world at any stage who is any bigger or any better than this football club.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
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by bigmick » Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:30 am
One thing Chelsea are demonstrating quite clearly is that changing your manager every five minutes does you no good at all. Every five years is fair enough, but not every five minutes.
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by The_Rock » Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:17 am
bigmick wrote:One thing Chelsea are demonstrating quite clearly is that changing your manager every five minutes does you no good at all. Every five years is fair enough, but not every five minutes.
BTW why is GYBS starting this thread ? is he a WUM or something ? (i can't be bothered with going through 8 pages).
One minute he is all "benitez the saviour"...the next minute he opens this thread....
And how the f@ck the "special one" ain't in that poll...
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by maypaxvobiscum » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:36 am
the special one Mourinho isnt in the list coz apparently the thread starter forgot. i think he is just bias. or maybe he was too excited to start a new thread and in his excitement even couldnt ''should'' correctly.
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by LegBarnes » Tue Feb 10, 2009 4:58 am
I voted for Frank Rijkaard but I still think rafa should be looked at end of the season lets not jump the gun.
I know I was shouting rafa should go and tbh I don't wanna sound like trouble maker I still personaly hold that view.
But if he can prove me wrong and get the team playing better football all around I might think another season is in order.
Lets hope so !!!
I know I was shouting rafa should go and tbh I don't wanna sound like trouble maker I still personaly hold that view.
But if he can prove me wrong and get the team playing better football all around I might think another season is in order.
Lets hope so !!!
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by GYBS » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:47 am
The_Rock wrote:bigmick wrote:One thing Chelsea are demonstrating quite clearly is that changing your manager every five minutes does you no good at all. Every five years is fair enough, but not every five minutes.
BTW why is GYBS starting this thread ? is he a WUM or something ? (i can't be bothered with going through 8 pages).
One minute he is all "benitez the saviour"...the next minute he opens this thread....
And how the f@ck the "special one" ain't in that poll...
Read the thread then - i dont want Rafa to go - this thread was for all those that keep saying sack him or he should go at the end of the season if we dont win etc etc so this gave them a chance to name that guy they think should take over.
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by The_Rock » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:11 am
GYBS wrote:The_Rock wrote:bigmick wrote:One thing Chelsea are demonstrating quite clearly is that changing your manager every five minutes does you no good at all. Every five years is fair enough, but not every five minutes.
BTW why is GYBS starting this thread ? is he a WUM or something ? (i can't be bothered with going through 8 pages).
One minute he is all "benitez the saviour"...the next minute he opens this thread....
And how the f@ck the "special one" ain't in that poll...
Read the thread then - i dont want Rafa to go - this thread was for all those that keep saying sack him or he should go at the end of the season if we dont win etc etc so this gave them a chance to name that guy they think should take over.
This poll is a sham.....how come the special one ain't in it
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by The_Rock » Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:13 am
Notice "average can't" got 4 votes ..... just wanna know who are the idiots who voted for him... 
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