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by **ruskiy playmaker** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 5:39 am

Poor Rafa, he says something completely true and people are thinking that he's loosing it. I will completely understand, if he goes to some other big club in the summer. Rafa deserves so much better than this.

by **GYBS** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:54 am

Sir Roger wrote:
s@int wrote:I think its more of a case of where you attribute any blame that troubles some. Blame Kuyt or Lucas and you're on to a winner, blame Rafa and they descend on you like a pack of hungry wolves.

"Take responsibility for" might be a better phrase than "take the blame for"?
If we win its Rafa technical nous and tactical genius. If we lose its the "rub of the green" and "unforseen circumstances".
Some want it both ways

Or there is the old adage of if we win its the players who get the credit - if we loose its the managers fault .

Seen that on here plenty this season .

by **Owzat** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:03 am

If the players play badly, the manager has to try something. Rafa's lack of ability to change it is the reason he gets so much blame/stick/grief. If the players are playing well can you give Rafa credit for playing the same players plus one or two changes? Credit if he brings in Benayoun say, and he has a great game. But since it's usually GERRARD dragging us single-handed over the winning line can you credit Benitez for picking his best player?!?!?!?

As for Gerrard's injury. Well I don't blame Rafa for picking Gerrard or overuse, since we had a quiet January fixture-wise. I do blame Rafa for it going to a replay and if we'd won it first time of asking as we should have, then we wouldn't be without him for two games as he wouldn't have been playing midweek

by **Judge** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:47 am

zarababe wrote:not like the bullies can't swallow bitter pills.. ay

do you swallow zara?

by **heimdall** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:07 pm

ruskiy playmaker wrote:Poor Rafa, he says something completely true and people are thinking that he's loosing it. I will completely understand, if he goes to some other big club in the summer. Rafa deserves so much better than this.

Yes poor Rafa, with so many nasty people around :sniffle

. You lot make me laugh, on one hand you laud rafa for being stubborn and strong and always sticking to his guns, the next moment we are expected to believe that he is swayed by what some fans say, come on!

FFS It's absolutely hilarious and pathetic and definiely a Houllier in the last few months moment.

Rafa has no choice but to play Gerrard every game, the reason for that is that in 5 years he has not been able to bring in any players even near to Stevie's creativity in midfield, instead we have a Spaniard who can deliver an excellent pass but is told to stay put mostly in his own half, an Argentinian who redefines the word defensive even for DM and a Brazilian, or his he??

by **GYBS** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:38 pm

ok eddie - what players could rafa bring in that are near to the qualities of gerrard then ?

by **devaney** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:54 pm

Sir Roger wrote:Everton are a poor team with very little or nothing to shout about. What makes matters worse is that we couldnt beat them in three games. That says more about us than them. At least you know what youre getting with them. Can the same now be said about us?

Don't agree - that's just fkn sour grapes - £ for £ Moyes has done a far better job than Rafa. How much did Jags and Cahill cost - half the price of Bel for the two of them - that's how much - give me one example of similar success at low price purchases for Rafa. I know I'm sounding like a blue and I have a bucket in front me because I'm feeling fkn sick but for gawds sake give credit where it is due.

by **GYBS** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 1:56 pm

well in comparative prices i would say pepe was a steal at his price , along with arbeloa , skrtel and agger

by **devaney** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:00 pm

Sir Roger wrote:Everton are a poor team with very little or nothing to shout about. What makes matters worse is that we couldnt beat them in three games. That says more about us than them. At least you know what youre getting with them. Can the same now be said about us?

Don't agree - that's just fkn sour grapes - £ for £ Moyes has done a far better job than Rafa. How much did Jags and Cahill cost - half the price of Babel for the two of them - that's how much - give me one example of similar success at low price purchases for Rafa. I know I'm sounding like a blue and I have a bucket in front me because I'm feeling fkn sick but for gawds sake give credit where it is due.

by **heimdall** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:14 pm

GYBS wrote:well in comparative prices i would say pepe was a steal at his price , along with arbeloa , skrtel and agger

Wasn't Skyrtel our most expensive defensive signing ever

As to who I would buy, I'm not sure but if you gave me Rafa's wages and network of scouts etc I'm sure I could find some who were better than Kuyt, Dossena and Lucas for example.

My point about Alonso and Mascha is that they are excellent players but given negative instructions from Rafa to be far too defensive.

by **tubby** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:16 pm

heimdall wrote:
GYBS wrote:well in comparative prices i would say pepe was a steal at his price , along with arbeloa , skrtel and agger

Wasn't Skyrtel our most expensive defensive signing ever

As to who I would buy, I'm not sure but if you gave me Rafa's wages and network of scouts etc I'm sure I could find some who were better than Kuyt, Dossena and Lucas for example.

My point about Alonso and Mascha is that they are excellent players but given negative instructions from Rafa to be far too defensive.

You mean give you Rafas wages and Football Manager 2008. :laugh:

Only messing.

by **Rorschach26** » Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:23 pm

Im i the only 1 who isnt bothered 1 bit about us gettin beat

4 the first time since i started 2 support us we got beat & i shrugged it off

coz i actually think bein out the cup will be better 4 us in the long run this season

by **Bad Bob** » Sat Feb 07, 2009 2:51 am

Run its course...

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