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by **GYBS** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:47 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:Babel - Aimar (only 12mill Euros when he left his club in 2006)

Kuyt - Anelka

Yossi - Simao ( linked with him for ages!)

Lucas - kept Sissoko (at least he tackles and stops threats)

Dossena - kept Riise or Warnock (so much more better then Doss!)

Ngog - kept Sinama

Pennant - Ludovic Guily

alot of the current players are no better then what we had or could have had.

Its hard to keep players that wanted to leave for First team football Max

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:55 pm

who wanted to leave? besides Momo. i dont recall Riise or Warnock or Sinama making any comments about leaving for first team opportunities.

by **GYBS** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:06 pm

Those players all left to get more first team football

by **Rush Job** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:55 pm

I`d have s@int in as gaffa.

by **SupitsJonF** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:49 pm

Should of signed Ronaldo. Who cares if he was 20 mil, hes worth 100 mil + that now.

by **Rockthekop** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:59 pm

We STILL have the same problem we've had for years, lack of quality players.

It's STILL the wide areas that need addressed.

Kuyt, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Benayoun, Dossena, Degen (and Riera possibly) do a job but aren't of the required standard to take us forward.

by **GYBS** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:26 pm

SupitsJonF wrote:Should of signed Ronaldo. Who cares if he was 20 mil, hes worth 100 mil + that now.

Just reading Phil hompson book and Ronaldo was offered to us for 4 mil - they were finding out if they had the money to pay for him the next thing they knew man utd had bought him for 12.25 mil - thommo phoned the guy who was talking to liverpool and he was told that they were to stop dealing with liverpool .

by **GYBS** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:27 pm

Rockthekop wrote:We STILL have the same problem we've had for years, lack of quality players.

It's STILL the wide areas that need addressed.

Kuyt, Arbeloa, Aurelio, Benayoun, Dossena, Degen (and Riera possibly) do a job but aren't of the required standard to take us forward.

So who would you have instead then ? instead of slagging the players off come up with names that we should of got instead .

by **account deleted by request** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:31 pm

GYBS wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:Should of signed Ronaldo. Who cares if he was 20 mil, hes worth 100 mil + that now.

Just reading Phil hompson book and Ronaldo was offered to us for 4 mil - they were finding out if they had the money to pay for him the next thing they knew man utd had bought him for 12.25 mil - thommo phoned the guy who was talking to liverpool and he was told that they were to stop dealing with liverpool .

As I remember it at the time, we were offered Ronaldo and Thompson actually went over to watch him play, came back and said "he is not what we are looking for". At the time we were looking for an experienced player not a "prospect". They even offered to take installments for him.

Not sure how that fits in with Thompsons recollections?

Just checked and we bought Kewell

by **GYBS** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:39 pm

s@int wrote:
GYBS wrote:
SupitsJonF wrote:Should of signed Ronaldo. Who cares if he was 20 mil, hes worth 100 mil + that now.

Just reading Phil hompson book and Ronaldo was offered to us for 4 mil - they were finding out if they had the money to pay for him the next thing they knew man utd had bought him for 12.25 mil - thommo phoned the guy who was talking to liverpool and he was told that they were to stop dealing with liverpool .

As I remember it at the time, we were offered Ronaldo and Thompson actually went over to watch him play, came back and said "he is not what we are looking for". At the time we were looking for an experienced player not a "prospect". They even offered to take installments for him.

Not sure how that fits in with Thompsons recollections?

yeah most of that is what thommo says but not the bit about not wanting him

by **GYBS** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 8:40 pm

Its the exact chapter im up too - the bit about buying le Tallec and Pongolle and kewell and being offered ronaldo .

by **bigmick** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:48 pm

Well I've no idea who he should have bought to be perfectly honest. My issue isn't generally about an individual player here or there, it's about the overall policy. The question quite simply is are we building a team which is capable of winning the title, and a squad which is capable of supporting that push? My opinion is that we aren't, particularly in the second phase. There has to be for me a coherent policy, not a scatter gun approach of chuck em all together and we'll see what happens which is how it appears sometimes.

We've just played three matches against Everton and their two central defenders I thought were excellent. Phil Jagielka (who is maturing into a proper centre half) and Jolean Lescott. Jagielka was Sheffield Uniteds best player by a country mile when they played in the Premiership for a season, so it is not that surprising that he's managing to turn himself into a footballer. Lescott was watched by all and sundry when playing in the Championship, like Cahill before him and Ashley Young more recently. I'd like to see us at least have a look locally, (by that I mean English) before we go off to the four corners of the earth.

Of the two lads Everton brought on as subs, I really liked the black lad who played in front of the back four (can't remember his name). I don't think the kid who scored the goal will make it, but he will. I'd like to see us look at some local kids and sort out this ridiculous and petulant power struggle which currently blocks their progression.

As for buys for the first team, we really do have to look at the way we play football and address the fact that we don't make enough goalscoring opportunites. It really is a ssimple as that, and those who go off on one each time anyone discussed the manager and his policy must be wtching a different game to me. We don't play with sufficient fluency, imagination and guile to consistently break teams down. Nine times out of ten it's a Torres Gerrard combo, or a moment from one or the other. Quite simply we have to buy some offensive players who are good at being offensive.

Rather than look back, it might be better to look sideways. He hasn't played a game for them yet, so it doesn't get much earlier than this, but I'm happy to open myself up for ridicule and predict that Arshavin will be a good signing for Arsenal. I think he'll be a good player over here, and I think he'll be well worth the money they've paid for him. He is precisely the kind of player we should ne going in for IMHO. He may not run around all day, but we do have a bit of cover in that department it seems to me. Quote me when he flops, but Arshavin at 15 million quid a pop is the sort of player we should be in for.

by **Alex G.** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:05 pm

I would like to see Jagielka and Lescott playing for a big club without 10 men behind the ball. There is only one word: Pain.

by **bigmick** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:23 pm

Alex G. wrote:I would like to see Jagielka and Lescott playing for a big club without 10 men behind the ball. There is only one word: Pain.

I'm not saying we should have signed Jagielka or Lescott, or Ashely Young or Tim Cahill. I'm simply making the point that there are decent players which are playing in the English leagues. That doesn't mean we should never sign foreign players, not at all, it simply means we should seriously look over here as well.

I'm fairly confident for instance that if you gave me 7 million quid I could find a left back in England who is better than Dossena.

by **GYBS** » Thu Feb 05, 2009 10:26 pm

bigmick wrote:
Alex G. wrote:I would like to see Jagielka and Lescott playing for a big club without 10 men behind the ball. There is only one word: Pain.

I'm not saying we should have signed Jagielka or Lescott, or Ashely Young or Tim Cahill. I'm simply making the point that there are decent players which are playing in the English leagues. That doesn't mean we should never sign foreign players, not at all, it simply means we should seriously look over here as well.

I'm fairly confident for instance that if you gave me 7 million quid I could find a left back in England who is better than Dossena.

well that was thw whole point of the thread to find someone instead of who we bought . yeah lescott and jagelka are very good players but are they players that get you winning the title ? yes there are some decent english players around but for anyone half decent you have to pay big money for them .

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