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by **Mintal27** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:04 am

GYBS wrote:Oh look the numbers for his sackin have gone up again - is that the keane lovers voting now

Not entirely.

The reason I want Rafa gone is simple. His over cautious approach is not only tiresome, its irksome and doesn't work. He's become an egotistical dictatorial figurehead. He squanders money on stop gap players, and his fondness for throwing stones from glasshouses are just some of the reasons I want him gone in the summer.

by **tubby** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:18 am

Be careful what you wish for and remember the grass is not always greener on the other side. Look at Spurs, they were doing ok under Jol and thought they could take it to the next level and now that are fighting relegation. Chelsea won the league 2 years running but it wasnt enough for the owner so he ditched him and now they are all over the place. I know Rafa can be fustrating at times but you all need to take a step back.

The problem is on those occasions where we dropped points it's mostly down to the players not performing but everyone goes straight for Rafa. He has made mistakes we all know that and so does he but I just think if he went it would be another long building process and even then nothing is assured.

by **Mintal27** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:23 am

In five seasons we haven't progressed enough for my liking and I dare say if Rafa didn't win us #5 he would be getting the same abuse that Houllier got in his last two seasons in-charge.

Nine draws against poor opposition says it all to me and yes you can blame the players, but I blame the manager as well. He signs the players, he needs to ensure the signings are of a top class standard and that they can play together coherently on the football pitch.

My decision to want Rafa out stems back to the Arsenal match. 1-1, Arsenal down to 10 men and what does he have us do? Play for a draw. I'd rather we went for win and in doing so sacrified an odd defeat for 3 points. He is far too conservative for my liking, and far too into his minor details.

by **tubby** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:35 am

To be honest going a man down that day didnt really affect Arsenal as it was a striker who got sent of as oppose to a midfielder. And how can you say his has to ensure the signings are top standard when he has supposedly missed out on targets due to Parry. So by that rationale it should be Rick Parry who should go. He wanted Simao but instead we got Pennat. He wanted Alves but instead we got Arbeloa. I think one thing everyone will be happy with this season is how we have performed against the big 4 which shows we have improved. Beat the mancs at home, drew away to Arsenal when in fairness we played well enough to win and we done the double on Chelsea. Something we have not done since..........the last time we won the league.

by **Mintal27** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:46 am

A man down is a man down, Arsenal were there to beaten on their patch and a valuable three points were at stake, that should be enough of an incentive to up the ante and go for Arsenal's throat. It's what Chelsea or Manchester United would have done and as you can see from their recent success that it pays dividends.

I don't know what has gone on behind the curtains at Anfield, but I am having a guess that Benitez gets his own way on an awful lot of transfers. Sure, he has missed some targets, but I'm sure there were better wingers in the world than Simao at the time and if I recall wasn't it Rafa who refused to meet Benfica's asking price of thirteen million for Simao and as for Alves was there any concrete evidence that Benitez wanted to sign him? Again I am sure there are better wingback's around than Alves.

As for the surprising turn of results against top four opposition, dont get me wrong I am delighted with them, but Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal have all been disappointing this season. United started out of the blocks slowly, but have picked up, Chelsea are just in complete disarray and Arsenal are just delusional beyond belief. And despite our impressive record against our contemporaries, draws against West Ham, Fulham, Stoke, Wigan to name a few refuse to allow me to revel in sheer jubilation.

by **taff** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 3:22 am

We are second in the league and about to face Madrid in the champions league and they are worried about us

If thats the sign of a crazy manager then howl at the moon Rafa :buttrock

by **Greavesie** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:17 am

wheres this whole Rafa is crazy thing come from. he only sold Robbie Keane for God's sake let's keep this in context. Too rights Taff! we have every right to look forward to the next part of the season with optimism. We are still have a shout in three trophies and have Real Madrid to play sitting 2 points behind the Mancs

by **Effes** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 7:24 am

Leonmc0708 wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Effes wrote:
heimdall wrote:erm weren't you calling for Rafa to be sacked a few short days ago.

Being honest mate - no I wasn't.

OK apologies then but you were certainly a lot more critical then you are today.

Even the fickle people can see the fickleness of other fickle people.

I invite you to look through my posts and see where Ive said sack Rafa

by **Ciggy** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 8:22 am

Mintal27 wrote:A man down is a man down, Arsenal were there to beaten on their patch and a valuable three points were at stake, that should be enough of an incentive to up the ante and go for Arsenal's throat.

We would have beat Arsenal with 11 men it was the sending off that changed the game, the game went horrible after that.

by **Mintal27** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 10:54 am

Ciggy wrote:We would have beat Arsenal with 11 men it was the sending off that changed the game, the game went horrible after that.

No excuses, I am afraid. We should have beaten Arsenal, Stoke x2, West Ham, Wigan and Fulham. It was Rafa's cautious approach to these matches that cost us taking maximum points.

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:28 am

Rafa must go I'm afraid.We wont win anything this season because ofthe continuing in-fighting going on in this club. What we dont want is another 5yr plan!.....S in the best intrests of progression we need to move on...and we wont while we have a stuborn negative manager, with a useless spinless, and interfering chief excecutive Rick (the :censored:

)Parry running this fiasco.

by **heimdall** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:25 pm

REDTILLDEAD wrote:Rafa must go I'm afraid.We wont win anything this season because ofthe continuing in-fighting going on in this club. What we dont want is another 5yr plan!.....S in the best intrests of progression we need to move on...and we wont while we have a stuborn negative manager, with a useless spinless, and interfering chief excecutive Rick (the )Parry running this fiasco.

Am I being accused of being fickle?? I'd love to hear more about how i chaneg my opinions, I thought I'd been anti rafa for a few years, maybe someone can show a post where I've been pro. teh nearest I've come is to say give him till the end of the season which I still stand by as we won't get a replacement before then anyway.

Totally agree with rafa being too negative btw, we should have attacked Arsenal a lot more, we let them take control with 10 men and that was not good enough, although it is about the only time I've seen Arsenal with any fight this season, but that should have made us fight back even stronger with an extra man!

i still don't get this notion that a new manager needs 5 years to challenge for the league, Maureen didn't need 5 years did he and we actually have an ok squad of players, all we need is to get rid f the :censored:

, trim the squad a bit and buy a decent right winger and decent backup sdtriker and we would already have improved enough. You will all see I'm right when the new manager gets installed inthe summer.

by **GYBS** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:29 pm

and why did maureen not need 5 years - something which you continuely fail to see - HE WAS ABLE TO SPEND MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY IE OVER A 100 MILLIONS WORTH ON PLAYERS plus the fact the squad was pretty much already there from the season before he just added a couple 20 million pound players and away you go .

by **puroresu** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:32 pm

GYBS wrote:and why did maureen not need 5 years - something which you continuely fail to see - HE WAS ABLE TO SPEND MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY IE OVER A 100 MILLIONS WORTH ON PLAYERS plus the fact the squad was pretty much already there from the season before he just added a couple 20 million pound players and away you go .

Wenger didnt need 5 years though did he. Is it the case now that no matter who managed LFC it would take at least 5 years to mount a serious challenge for the title? I cant accept that.

by **heimdall** » Wed Feb 04, 2009 1:35 pm

GYBS wrote:and why did maureen not need 5 years - something which you continuely fail to see - HE WAS ABLE TO SPEND MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF MONEY IE OVER A 100 MILLIONS WORTH ON PLAYERS plus the fact the squad was pretty much already there from the season before he just added a couple 20 million pound players and away you go .

Don't you start CAPITALISING words at me GYBS :no

What you don't get GYBS is the idea of actually reading a post twice or even three times before responding, try reading it again and you'll see that I think we already have a fairly decent squad with a few excellent players and a solid spine and just need a few extra players, this is why I don't think it would take long for a new manager to settle in. BTW hasn't Rafa spent about £200 million, not exactly pocket change, plus loosing £5 million on Keane! :veryangry

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