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by **we all dream...** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:15 pm

Owzat wrote:
LegBarnes wrote:
Owzat wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Hmmmm, I'd take honesty in a person any day of the week than someone who lies. Rafa is honest and honesty for me goes a long, long way. GG&H are two lying b@stards, so's Coco. To take the side of the latter three, you should hang your head in shame and f*ck off to support someone else.

Is Rafa honest? Last interview I saw him in he was talking as if Keane wasn't 24 hours away from rejoining spudz. He wasn't refusing to comment, every time I've seen him asked the question about Robbie he talks like Robbie was here for the long term.

Even if not stating something isn't be dishonest, isn't being honest about telling it how it is? Did Rafa do that or are we to believe he didn't know......................?!?!?

Yep rafa lied but was to sell a player i can understand it tbh if he said no want rid of him now how much cash you think we got for keane lucky if we got 6 mil tbh.

At least now we almost made the money back ffs.

What more do you want ?

I think you're all missing the point, you're trying to draw into comparitive honesty between Rafa and the 'evil yanks'. I merely pointed out ONE instance where Rafa hasn't been completely honest and I bet there are others, so portraying Rafa as honest is laughable. He is evasive in interviews, just because his "little white lies" are great for the club etc doesn't make them any less lies

yes but his honestly was for the GOOD of the club

If he came out and said "i dont want keane, i never did, he is up for sale" can u imagine what would have happened. Total chaos, resulting in spurs buying Keane back but for 8million becasue they can bid low knowing that we want to sell, no sorry, knowing that we have to sell him. Keane wouldn't want to stay if rafa publically said Keane is no longer needed by he club.

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:15 pm

Owzat wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Owzat wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Owzat wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:Hmmmm, I'd take honesty in a person any day of the week than someone who lies. Rafa is honest and honesty for me goes a long, long way. GG&H are two lying b@stards, so's Coco. To take the side of the latter three, you should hang your head in shame and f*ck off to support someone else.

Is Rafa honest? Last interview I saw him in he was talking as if Keane wasn't 24 hours away from rejoining spudz. He wasn't refusing to comment, every time I've seen him asked the question about Robbie he talks like Robbie was here for the long term.

Even if not stating something isn't be dishonest, isn't being honest about telling it how it is? Did Rafa do that or are we to believe he didn't know......................?!?!?

That's complete bollox, and if you can't spot the difference between flat out hurtful and deceitful lies like those that GG&H fed us to someone merely being diplomatic for professional reasons, well, I despair.

It is not "complete bollox", he wasn't honest about the situation, I couldn't care less whether a lie is little and white or dirty great, it's still a lie. I didn't compare his honesty levels with their's as you've drawn into, I merely question whether he's as saintly honest as you lot wish to believe.

Despair all you like, it simply makes Rafa look evasive when the truth was bl**dy obvious. He also now looks stupid, or if not now then may well end up doing so, for not signing a replacement.

"Despair" all you like, as if it's going to lose me any sleep.

Seriously, listen to what you're saying. Imagine if Rafa came straight out after a month after the signing of Keane of 20 million pounds and stating how he didn't want him in his long term plans. And how do you even know he didn't. It seems the situation was a lot more convoluted than half of the stupid speculation coming from the gobs of certain individuals on internet forums. Obviously the politics of any complicated situation prevents any employee of a major football club such as ours to openly speak their mind. More often than not that tends to result on expensive slaps on the wrist, and an embarrassing undermining of the position the person occupies.

Give it away already, I've explained that I was questioning whether Rafa is honest and couldn't care a feck whether he's more honest or less honest than ANYONE you care to name.

You're giving context, I never tried to. I cited one instance of not being honest and that is enough to show someone isn't always honest. Someone who tells a lie isn't necessarily a compulsive liar, but I didn't say Rafa was as bent as a five bob note. When it suits he isn't entirely honest, just because you want to compare him to the satanic twins that's your comparison and not where I was going with my point.

Carry on by yourself from hereon in, I'm fed up trying to explain something simple to someone simple (or coming across that way)

There's a difference. Speaking of context, what's worse: avoiding a question by answering with a diplomatic response that can neither be construed as a lie or fact, or promising the Earth to people, then breaking their hearts as it becomes clear that they are nothing but selfish snakes that don't give a toss about anyone else but themselves?

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:18 pm

so rafas lies are just little business lies, but the owners who are business men don't tell little business lies, their lies must be whoppers

The defence of rafa by some posters on here beggars belief sometimes. If anyone thinks rafa doesn't lie I refer you to any of his post match interviews.

he even said once "kuyt is always likely to get you a goal". :laugh:

I think gillett come across quite well and as he says the club accounts will back him on a few issues

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:19 pm

Redbilly1960 wrote:Some of the threads started on these boards are just plain stupid this one being a prime example.
Started by someone who less than a week ago wanted to hang, draw and quarter mr benitaz but now wants everyone to hush up criticising him because our american owners employ people to read the various LFC forums. If they do what a boring job they have reading 95% sh1t and 5% commen sense.
I have supported Liverpool Football Club all my life been a season ticket holder, stood on the kop at various times and said "This is the greatest day of my life" I have had with LFC enough "greatest days" to fill a year. But one thing always baffles me about our fans, they are the most fickle and its sad we always need someone to whine about Benitaz, Gerrard, The owners, Perry the list goes on and on I agree we cant love all the people all the time but there is no consistancy either love rafa or hate rafa or sit on the fence dont change you alliegence from day to day, hour to hour or even thread to thread.
Just stick to your convictions. Some people have, I have read said "Told you so" about Rafa not being the man to manage LFC then they get lambasted by others for having a different opinion. But these same people are shouting "Rafa Out".

I was showing someone these boards the other day a Liverpool Fan who lives in London has never been to Anfield but loves the club as much as I do. After spending 15 minutes looking at different threads they said "all you seem to do is argue and call each other names" when I looked at what he was reading one member was insulting another members mother what the hell has that go to do with Liverpool Football Club.
I don't post much on here for that reason people are to quick with an insult rather than accepting there are different views.
Stick to your convictions and I am sure what you say will be respected more.

I disagree. You're a c*nt, now get out!

by **Ciggy** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:21 pm

Redbilly1960 wrote:Started by someone who less than a week ago wanted to hang, draw and quarter mr benitaz but now wants everyone to hush up criticising him because our american owners employ people to read the various LFC forums. If they do what a boring job they have reading 95% sh1t and 5% commen sense.

Hung drawn and quartered behave yourself, I was feckin p!ssed off with the 9 draws this season, or is everyone supposed to throw a party?

I didnt start the topic because the yanks have lurkers here atall, I started it because of the type of manager these two clowns will employ if Rafa leaves.

I am not beyond critisim I said it Ive admited to it what do you want blood? like Rafa is not he gets things wrong so do we all.

But he has my 100% backing over the yanks, & parry.

by **big al** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:23 pm

I'll say it again I don't think Rafa had any intention of selling Keane but he can't say that, hes in a catch 22 situation. To admit that Parry calls the shots about transfers is undermining to himself, he won't do that. From my understanding Rafa wants total control of all footballing matters in relation to the club, thats the sticking point in his contract talks.

Some of you may not agree but Rafa seems to have buried the hatchet with Hicks and Hicks is very supportive of Rafa. If Rafa gets his way and is allied to Hicks, Gillette and Parry will have lost control to Rafa and Hicks. In the meantime Parry sold Keane to save money but it also puts the spotlight on Rafa.

Its all a web of deceit but just look at the facts.
-Has Parry lied? yes.
-Has Gillette lied? Yes,
-Has Hicks lied? Yes,
-Has Rafa Lied? Not that I recall catching him out.

I believed him on Sunday and I believe him now, he has not lied ,he is however desparetly having to spin because he's been caught out by Parry.

Scottbott I had'nt thought about the impact his Ferguson attack would have on the Gerrard affair but now you've mentioned it I think you could well be spot on. In which case he's a genius to protect Sevie G in that way and I have once again underestimated the mans intellect. Sorry Rafa.[U]

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:24 pm

peewee wrote:so rafas lies are just little business lies, but the owners who are business men don't tell little business lies, their lies must be whoppers

The defence of rafa by some posters on here beggars belief sometimes. If anyone thinks rafa doesn't lie I refer you to any of his post match interviews. he even said once "kuyr is always likely to get you a goal".

I think gillett come across quite well and as he days the club accounts will back him on a few issues

Still having a difficulty understanding the difference, aren't you? The difference between Rafa and the Yanks, even if Rafa was as big as a liar as those two, is that Rafa can do his job brilliantly, or poorly. It makes no difference. It still doesn't really hurt the club that much because he's expendable in the eyes of the owners; owners of which, can do far greater harm to Liverpool football club than any manager can. They can effectively ruin us with their lies, as their lies are destructive. Can Rafa?

by **Leonmc0708** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:27 pm

peewee wrote:so rafas lies are just little business lies, but the owners who are business men don't tell little business lies, their lies must be whoppers

The defence of rafa by some posters on here beggars belief sometimes. If anyone thinks rafa doesn't lie I refer you to any of his post match interviews. he even said once "kuyt is always likely to get you a goal".

I think gillett come across quite well and as he says the club accounts will back him on a few issues

Not like you to have a pop at Kuyt.

Did he bum yer bird or something lerd ?

by **access** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:29 pm

Hey NOW I understand ...

Joined this 'Liverpool Supporters' site earlier today because I love Liverpool Football Club [thats all] and I f....g care.

I express my concerns about the club whatever they may be like a large number of people on here.

I post my personal feelings and wait for a reply.

THEN wait tick tick tick ... for it an Elite member whoever he may be OR Guru member to take the :censored:

out of my views or laugh at what I say... or really inteligent ... tell me to F**k off ... OR yes there final reply .... say I am a United Supporter.

I now know why the club is such a f....g mess what comes from the top goes right to the bottom.

Cheers

tick tick tick

waiting...

by **GYBS** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:30 pm

peewee wrote:so rafas lies are just little business lies, but the owners who are business men don't tell little business lies, their lies must be whoppers

The defence of rafa by some posters on here beggars belief sometimes. If anyone thinks rafa doesn't lie I refer you to any of his post match interviews. he even said once "kuyt is always likely to get you a goal".

I think gillett come across quite well and as he says the club accounts will back him on a few issues

so now your going to believe gillette who has lied about the stadium , putting the club into debt etc etc etc .

by **Emerald Red** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:33 pm

access wrote:Hey NOW I understand ...

Joined this 'Liverpool Supporters' site earlier today because I love Liverpool Football Club [thats all] and I f....g care.

I express my concerns about the club whatever they may be like a large number of people on here.

I post my personal feelings and wait for a reply.

THEN wait tick tick tick ... for it an Elite member whoever he may be OR Guru member to take the out of my views or laugh at what I say... or really inteligent ... tell me to F**k off ... OR yes there final reply .... say I am a United Supporter.

I now know why the club is such a f....g mess what comes from the top goes right to the bottom.

Cheers

tick tick tick

waiting...

That's a weird post. No one will take the p*ss out of your post or tell you to f*ck off. If you read my post above telling a poster to do the same, well, that was sarcasm directed at the context of the post he made.

BTW, welcome to the circus.

by **112-1077774096** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:33 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
peewee wrote:so rafas lies are just little business lies, but the owners who are business men don't tell little business lies, their lies must be whoppers

The defence of rafa by some posters on here beggars belief sometimes. If anyone thinks rafa doesn't lie I refer you to any of his post match interviews. he even said once "kuyr is always likely to get you a goal".

I think gillett come across quite well and as he days the club accounts will back him on a few issues

Still having a difficulty understanding the difference, aren't you? The difference between Rafa and the Yanks, even if Rafa was as big as a liar as those two, is that Rafa can do his job brilliantly, or poorly. It makes no difference. It still doesn't really hurt the club that much because he's expendable in the eyes of the owners; owners of which, can do far greater harm to Liverpool football club than any manager can. They can effectively ruin us with their lies, as their lies are destructive. Can Rafa?

yes, he can say his selections are for the good of the club when it's clear from the keane debacle they are not. He can tell us he is not in discussion with other clubs when he could be. He could tell us to trust him when we clearly can't.

Anyway I am not the expert on lying on the forum mate, but I don't see the problem, they are the owners and only the owners can change that by selling. I am more concerned about the managers ability to manage the football side of things, that's what he is paid a lot of money for.

Sometimes people don't lie, sometimes situations change and people go back on promises, that doesn't mean they lied to start with

by **Redbilly1960** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:34 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Redbilly1960 wrote:Some of the threads started on these boards are just plain stupid this one being a prime example.
Started by someone who less than a week ago wanted to hang, draw and quarter mr benitaz but now wants everyone to hush up criticising him because our american owners employ people to read the various LFC forums. If they do what a boring job they have reading 95% sh1t and 5% commen sense.
I have supported Liverpool Football Club all my life been a season ticket holder, stood on the kop at various times and said "This is the greatest day of my life" I have had with LFC enough "greatest days" to fill a year. But one thing always baffles me about our fans, they are the most fickle and its sad we always need someone to whine about Benitaz, Gerrard, The owners, Perry the list goes on and on I agree we cant love all the people all the time but there is no consistancy either love rafa or hate rafa or sit on the fence dont change you alliegence from day to day, hour to hour or even thread to thread.
Just stick to your convictions. Some people have, I have read said "Told you so" about Rafa not being the man to manage LFC then they get lambasted by others for having a different opinion. But these same people are shouting "Rafa Out".

I was showing someone these boards the other day a Liverpool Fan who lives in London has never been to Anfield but loves the club as much as I do. After spending 15 minutes looking at different threads they said "all you seem to do is argue and call each other names" when I looked at what he was reading one member was insulting another members mother what the hell has that go to do with Liverpool Football Club.
I don't post much on here for that reason people are to quick with an insult rather than accepting there are different views.
Stick to your convictions and I am sure what you say will be respected more.

I disagree. You're a c*nt, now get out!

And you are one of my favourite posters.........baaaahhhhh I mean were

by **Ciggy** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:34 pm

peewee wrote:I think gillett come across quite well and as he says the club accounts will back him on a few issues

Hes said they have spent 100 million of their own money on the stadium when not even a shovel has gone into the soil

by **big al** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 2:35 pm

Access, not everyone here is abusive or does'nt want to hear others opinions. I have been a member here for a number of years but post rarely because of the lack of tolerance. However there are some special people on here who will give you an excellent perspective of whats going on you just have to sort through the posts and be selective in who you talk to. Ignore the bullies they are not going to change me or my veiws by swearing at me you do the same and enjoy.

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