This statement alone should put the fear of god into you Gillett said Klinsmann had a brilliant track record, and he had excellent marketing talent, having close links with those at Adidas, Nike and Reebok and the benefits of him being at Liverpool!
So our wonderfull owners wanted a manger not because of his pedigree and honours but purely for his marketing talent.
So when people on here say lets get Mourhino, Hiddink, Capello or whoever think again because these owners dont care about results, they just think about how much money they can bleed from it without putting in a single dime.
Rafa has annoyed me with our results the last few weeks whether that was his fault or the players not pulling their weight he gets the blame, it is ok to critise him within reason.
Our owners havet got a clue about football, and ecspecially not about Liverpool FC, that statment put the fear of god into me what the future will hold it is clear as day that Gillett wants Rafa out parry does also, and Parry will be thinking If I am going down I am taking rafa with me.
So be careful what you wish for Rafa wants to win tropheys whilst the owners are wanting new trainies and deals from sport brands.
The next five months are going to be rough as hell things are going to get worst, fasten your seatbelt because this roller coaster ride has just began.
In 5 months time our club could well be repossessed rafa gone along with our best players sold off.
Concentrate your efforts on removing these two tumours that are growing inside, the damage they can cause may never be rectifiable dont give them any more ammo against Rafa because they have got people reading these forums.
Fao those who want rafa out
by 112-1077774096 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:12 am
post the full comment, they said they spoke to klinsman after rafa said he had been approached by three other clubs they spoke to him about a consultancy role as he had connections with all these companies, in fact lets post the whole article.
a couple of days ago you were calling for rafas head
a couple of days ago you were calling for rafas head
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by Ciggy » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:18 am
If you have nothing to add then dont post in the topic.
There is no-one anywhere in the world at any stage who is any bigger or any better than this football club.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
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by 112-1077774096 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:19 am
LIVERPOOL FC co-owners George Gillett and Tom Hicks endured a torrid day on Merseyside as they ran the gauntlet of protesting fans.
The Americans were left in no doubt about the strength of feeling against them when supporters staged a demonstration at Anfield following the Reds’ 2-0 win over Chelsea.
Around 300 fans gathered outside the directors’ entrance, chanting for Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett to sell the club they bought from former owner David Moores two years ago this month.
The protest was entirely peaceful but noisy and the chants could be heard inside the stadium long after the final whistle had been blown on Liverpool’s victory.
Throughout the match, a group of fans in the paddock, right in front of where Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett were sitting in the directors box, displayed a banner which read “Thanks but no Yanks”.
Earlier in the day, members of the Spirit Of Shankly (SOS) fans’ group converged on the Crowne Plaza hotel at the Pier Head where Gillett was staying.
Mr Gillett, who had earlier declined an opportunity to be interviewed by the ECHO, was clearly unprepared for their arrival as a number of supporters got past hotel security to confront him.
But after quickly recovering his composure, the Colorado-based businessman agreed to speak with to SOS spokesman Jay McKenna in the hotel foyer.
The demonstrators were well-behaved and well-organised throughout, although police did arrive on the scene to ensure hotel guests could come and go unhindered.
Mr McKenna emerged from his impromptu meeting with Mr Gillett to inform those gathered outside of what he was just told.
Mr McKenna said: “I told him all the fans who were outside and thousands more were angry and upset at how he and Tom Hicks were running the club.
“He looked shocked and asked me why. I told him he knew why, because he met Spirit Of Shankly before the Manchester United game.
“I said ‘fans see it as you have made three promises and broken them’. So he asked me what they were.
“The first one was the debt on the football club. I told him his partner Tom Hicks promised it would not be like the Glazer takeover at Manchester United, and to fans that meant no debt on the club.
“He claimed to be unaware and asked what I meant. I told him they had bought the club and then placed the debt for buying the club onto the club.
“He claimed this was at the ‘request of the banks’ and they were in a ‘sound financial position’ with ‘revenue per pound or dollar in ratio to the debt’ better than at any other football club.
“When I asked about the extension to July, he claimed that was false and no-one else knew the true details because they were kept confidential.
“The second one was backing the manager and then not doing so. I said they said they would back the manager, so why had they approached Jurgen Klinsmann about the position of manager?
“He then went onto claim they had met with the manager, who told them he was to have discussions with ‘three other teams’ about joining them and they approached Klinsmann to have him in place to work as a ‘consultant at the club’ if Benitez left them.
“I asked why they had approached Klinsmann, because his pedigree was not one that immediately made fans sit up and take note.
“He claimed Klinsmann had a brilliant track record, and he had excellent marketing talent, having close links with those at Adidas, Nike and Reebok and the benefits of him being at Liverpool.
“I asked who the three clubs were, but he refused to answer.
“The third one was the stadium. I told Gillett the situation with the stadium angered fans, because Gillett himself had promised a spade in the ground in 60 days, and it still had not happened.
“He denied making this claim and said it was a ‘made-up quote by the media’and he would be interested to see such a quote.
“I asked why work on the stadium dragged on before they finally blamed the credit crunch for it not happening.
“He claimed they had spent £100m on the stadium so far and were still working with designers, architects and planners.
“I asked why they were spending the club’s money on this and he claimed it was coming from himself and Tom Hicks and not the club.
“I asked if the club’s accounts would show and support this when they are released, and he said yes. “Gillett then claimed all transfer fees to date had been met by himself and Tom.
“He said when they bought the club, they were told about the ‘Liverpool Way’.
“I asked if he felt they had been true custodians as they promised. Gillett told me he ‘had tried, but it had been difficult’ and they had ‘done what they could’.
“I asked why he could not speak for Hicks because he was his partner.
“He said that ‘husband and wife can say different things but one does not get the blame’.
“I explained they were both responsible, and he was not happy at being blamed.
“I asked why he was in partnership with Hicks. He said Hicks and himself had worked together well for six years in other businesses such as food, but this is different because the media are involved.
“I asked, would he or Tom Hicks, or both, be selling their stakes in Liverpool. “Again, he told me he cannot speak for Tom Hicks. I asked, had there been any offers for the club, and were they currently meeting anyone about it?
He told me: ‘Yes, there have been expressions of interest and some negotiation’.
“I asked who with, and he told me he could not tell me that. I asked would he sell, and he admitted he was ‘open to it’, but he could not speak for Hicks.
“I then went to walk away, and he came after me saying, ‘A few weeks ago, we were in first position, then a certain individual from the club attacked another individual from another club, and, since then, we have lost form and slid down the league.’
“I was stunned, and asked if he was blaming Benitez as a result, and in saying that, was he not backing the manager?
“Rather than confirm or deny as I expected, he replied ‘that’s your implication’, before I walked away and back outside to the real world.”
the interesting parts i have put in bold
The Americans were left in no doubt about the strength of feeling against them when supporters staged a demonstration at Anfield following the Reds’ 2-0 win over Chelsea.
Around 300 fans gathered outside the directors’ entrance, chanting for Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett to sell the club they bought from former owner David Moores two years ago this month.
The protest was entirely peaceful but noisy and the chants could be heard inside the stadium long after the final whistle had been blown on Liverpool’s victory.
Throughout the match, a group of fans in the paddock, right in front of where Mr Hicks and Mr Gillett were sitting in the directors box, displayed a banner which read “Thanks but no Yanks”.
Earlier in the day, members of the Spirit Of Shankly (SOS) fans’ group converged on the Crowne Plaza hotel at the Pier Head where Gillett was staying.
Mr Gillett, who had earlier declined an opportunity to be interviewed by the ECHO, was clearly unprepared for their arrival as a number of supporters got past hotel security to confront him.
But after quickly recovering his composure, the Colorado-based businessman agreed to speak with to SOS spokesman Jay McKenna in the hotel foyer.
The demonstrators were well-behaved and well-organised throughout, although police did arrive on the scene to ensure hotel guests could come and go unhindered.
Mr McKenna emerged from his impromptu meeting with Mr Gillett to inform those gathered outside of what he was just told.
Mr McKenna said: “I told him all the fans who were outside and thousands more were angry and upset at how he and Tom Hicks were running the club.
“He looked shocked and asked me why. I told him he knew why, because he met Spirit Of Shankly before the Manchester United game.
“I said ‘fans see it as you have made three promises and broken them’. So he asked me what they were.
“The first one was the debt on the football club. I told him his partner Tom Hicks promised it would not be like the Glazer takeover at Manchester United, and to fans that meant no debt on the club.
“He claimed to be unaware and asked what I meant. I told him they had bought the club and then placed the debt for buying the club onto the club.
“He claimed this was at the ‘request of the banks’ and they were in a ‘sound financial position’ with ‘revenue per pound or dollar in ratio to the debt’ better than at any other football club.
“When I asked about the extension to July, he claimed that was false and no-one else knew the true details because they were kept confidential.
“The second one was backing the manager and then not doing so. I said they said they would back the manager, so why had they approached Jurgen Klinsmann about the position of manager?
“He then went onto claim they had met with the manager, who told them he was to have discussions with ‘three other teams’ about joining them and they approached Klinsmann to have him in place to work as a ‘consultant at the club’ if Benitez left them.
“I asked why they had approached Klinsmann, because his pedigree was not one that immediately made fans sit up and take note.
“He claimed Klinsmann had a brilliant track record, and he had excellent marketing talent, having close links with those at Adidas, Nike and Reebok and the benefits of him being at Liverpool.
“I asked who the three clubs were, but he refused to answer.
“The third one was the stadium. I told Gillett the situation with the stadium angered fans, because Gillett himself had promised a spade in the ground in 60 days, and it still had not happened.
“He denied making this claim and said it was a ‘made-up quote by the media’and he would be interested to see such a quote.
“I asked why work on the stadium dragged on before they finally blamed the credit crunch for it not happening.
“He claimed they had spent £100m on the stadium so far and were still working with designers, architects and planners.
“I asked why they were spending the club’s money on this and he claimed it was coming from himself and Tom Hicks and not the club.
“I asked if the club’s accounts would show and support this when they are released, and he said yes. “Gillett then claimed all transfer fees to date had been met by himself and Tom.
“He said when they bought the club, they were told about the ‘Liverpool Way’.
“I asked if he felt they had been true custodians as they promised. Gillett told me he ‘had tried, but it had been difficult’ and they had ‘done what they could’.
“I asked why he could not speak for Hicks because he was his partner.
“He said that ‘husband and wife can say different things but one does not get the blame’.
“I explained they were both responsible, and he was not happy at being blamed.
“I asked why he was in partnership with Hicks. He said Hicks and himself had worked together well for six years in other businesses such as food, but this is different because the media are involved.
“I asked, would he or Tom Hicks, or both, be selling their stakes in Liverpool. “Again, he told me he cannot speak for Tom Hicks. I asked, had there been any offers for the club, and were they currently meeting anyone about it?
He told me: ‘Yes, there have been expressions of interest and some negotiation’.
“I asked who with, and he told me he could not tell me that. I asked would he sell, and he admitted he was ‘open to it’, but he could not speak for Hicks.
“I then went to walk away, and he came after me saying, ‘A few weeks ago, we were in first position, then a certain individual from the club attacked another individual from another club, and, since then, we have lost form and slid down the league.’
“I was stunned, and asked if he was blaming Benitez as a result, and in saying that, was he not backing the manager?
“Rather than confirm or deny as I expected, he replied ‘that’s your implication’, before I walked away and back outside to the real world.”
the interesting parts i have put in bold
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by 112-1077774096 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 9:58 am
also remember this is not a recorded interview, this is based on someone's memory about the conversation, certain comments may not be exact and certain comments may have been embellished
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by GYBS » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:06 am
And of course we all trust whatever Hicks and Gillette say and who is to know the real truth - maybe rafa talked to other clubs after realising the two tw ats were looking to replace him ?
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by Rockthekop » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:55 am
To be honest I think that we need a completely new start, new owners, new manager and a stadium that finally gets built, before we can move forward. H&G blame Rafa, Rafa blames Parry, Parry blames his dog, it's a fookin mess. They all have to go.
This has to and will happen sooner or later, I'm sick of the whole shambles.
This has to and will happen sooner or later, I'm sick of the whole shambles.
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by RUSHIE#9 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:50 am
Rockthekop wrote:To be honest I think that we need a completely new start, new owners, new manager and a stadium that finally gets built, before we can move forward. H&G blame Rafa, Rafa blames Parry, Parry blames his dog, it's a fookin mess. They all have to go.
This has to and will happen sooner or later, I'm sick of the whole shambles.
Agreed, as it stands the whole structure of the club is rotten to the core. We've gone from being a family run club with honest footballing values guiding the clubs path, to a pawn in a political game with massive egos trying to destroy each other.
The only thing being destroyed though is the legacy of the club and the club itself.
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by Leonmc0708 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:04 pm
RUSHIE#9 wrote:Rockthekop wrote:To be honest I think that we need a completely new start, new owners, new manager and a stadium that finally gets built, before we can move forward. H&G blame Rafa, Rafa blames Parry, Parry blames his dog, it's a fookin mess. They all have to go.
This has to and will happen sooner or later, I'm sick of the whole shambles.
Agreed, as it stands the whole structure of the club is rotten to the core. We've gone from being a family run club with honest footballing values guiding the clubs path, to a pawn in a political game with massive egos trying to destroy each other.
The only thing being destroyed though is the legacy of the club and the club itself.
Pretty decent result in the face of this apparent woe - 2nd in the league, 2 off the top, in the FA Cup and the Champions ELague in February then ? No ?
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by Scottbot » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:56 pm
peewee wrote:“I then went to walk away, and he came after me saying, ‘A few weeks ago, we were in first position, then a certain individual from the club attacked another individual from another club, and, since then, we have lost form and slid down the league.’
“I was stunned, and asked if he was blaming Benitez as a result, and in saying that, was he not backing the manager?
“Rather than confirm or deny as I expected, he replied ‘that’s your implication’, before I walked away and back outside to the real world.”
the interesting parts i have put in bold
I'm pretty gobsmacked by this bit and it wasn't included in the first transcript i read. I think this bit speaks volumes (if it is true) about Gillette's opinion of Rafa. If he had said that on record it would be all over the press and would undermine the manager in a very big way.
I wish to fu....c...k that everyone wh matters at the club would simply pull together to help get this great club back to where it belongs at the summit of English football.
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by 112-1077774096 » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:59 pm
that's if it was actually said scott,
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by big al » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:59 pm
A very interesting conversation taking place here. Strange thing is I can agree with so many of the points people are making but even more strange is that I even agree with some of the alleged quotes that Gillette is reported to have made. So whats going on are we hearing just half truths. Heres my take.
So many Liverpool fans seem to be in a great deal of bemusement at the sale of Robbie Keane especially those who are Irish. I am Irish but I hold no other footaball team above Liverpool. So I have no divided interest in Robbie Keane. I have like so many fans been baffled by the sale of Keane at this point in the season. Not because he's been good for us because he has'nt, his goal average is poor for a 20m outlay and his all round contribution has not been that great. The interesting thing is that he has been in position so many times to score tap in goals that if he'd converted would have put Liverpool 12 points clear in the league. The amount of swipes, misses stumbles and gaffs is amazing for a so called 20m+ player. Robbie would be worth 30 million if he'd converted just half of the misses and we'd still be 6 points clear in the league.
I could go on all day about Robbie but Im more interested in the politics. First let me say that in a way I agree with the aleged comment of Gillette. I think Rafa was too rash in raising the issue about Ferguson and Man U. Don't get me wrong all he said was accurate just he should never have said it when he did. Even with Liverpool on top the bookies were'nt teven looking at them. Liverpool had climbed to the top unnoticed and no one expected them to stay there. We were on top yet we were not in the spotlight. Rafa put himself and his players in the spotlight and he did'nt need to do it.
So why did he do it? why did Liverpool buy and sell Keane? Whats going on behind the doors at Anfield?
I have been a critic of Rick Parry for such a long time with very few people supporting me in my anger and questioning of his role at Liverpool. Yet is Rick Parry's hand that has brought us to the point we are now at. He seems to have put his own interests above that of the club and there is no doubt he is in a major power struggle with Rafa. The sides are lined up as Parry & Gillette V Benetiz and Hicks. Parry has taken a side in stead of being the peace maker, being the mediator and putting the club first. He brookered the deal for David Moores to sell the club to the two Americans.
I wonder how well he personally done out of that one.
The instability at Liverpool is not on the pitch despite what the armchair football managers here think. Yes I don't think Rafa takes enough chances to win games when he should and sometimes he seems more concerned about not losing but would'nt you be if you had people above you trying to undermine you and get rid of you. Remember Hicks backed Rafa after the Klinsmann fiasco and he said he had been led to veiw Rafa as unreasonable. Who could have given him that impression? Yes Rafa is out spoken, yes I disagree with some of his decisions and yes he is stubborn, ruthless and doesent show his emotions like little Sammy Lee when we score but he has a brilliant football mind and despite all his failins he has the respect of every manager he has ever played against. Even that arrogant fellow Mourinho recognises his ability. Those that bemoan Benetiz and his decisions are blaming the wrong person. Rafa has brought success despite the chief executive not because of him. Parrys only success was in appointing Rafa in the first place.
Rafa's attack on Ferguson and the sale of Keane are only the shadows of what is really going on at Liverpool. I believe Parry bought Keane not Rafa and Parry has cashed in because Rafa did'nt want him but who is the focus on. Not Parry, no Rafa. Its Rafa's fault we sold Keana and its Rafa's fault we did'nt bring in a replacement. Rafa is either a bare faced liar or he is being undermined. Remember after the game on Sunday Rafa said he thought Keane would be still a Liverpool player. Was he lying? Rafa and Hicks are in a struggle to take over the club. Rafa wants total control which means he will buy who he wants. Parry is making decisions that he knows will show Benetiz in a bad light, because what manager would sell and not replace at this point in the season. Answer is simple Benetiz did'nt sell Parry did.
I know I've went on a bit but on final point. The future of Liverpool footall club will be decided in the next few months. The outstanding loans will have to be paid which means the Yanks will have to come up with the dough. The other options are that Hicks gets another partner and the development takes place. The Yanks could start to sell off the Family Jewels in the summer to pay their debts but this is unlikely though not impossible. I think that DIC and the Kuwaitis will hold off to see if the yanks are forced to sell in which case they'll get a bargain, Unless that is we win the Premiership. In which case the yanks will get a bail out. With all these possible angles its sad that the games are being played of the pitch. What saddens me more is fans not being willing to accept other peoples opinions. Or when fans turn on Rafa because 1 player is sold. I often wonder how many fans believe the words they are singing at the beginning and end of evey game. To me personally they are not simply the words of a song. It is my covenant to players and a club that have enriched my life and allowed me to be part of the beautiful game. "You'll never walk alone."
So many Liverpool fans seem to be in a great deal of bemusement at the sale of Robbie Keane especially those who are Irish. I am Irish but I hold no other footaball team above Liverpool. So I have no divided interest in Robbie Keane. I have like so many fans been baffled by the sale of Keane at this point in the season. Not because he's been good for us because he has'nt, his goal average is poor for a 20m outlay and his all round contribution has not been that great. The interesting thing is that he has been in position so many times to score tap in goals that if he'd converted would have put Liverpool 12 points clear in the league. The amount of swipes, misses stumbles and gaffs is amazing for a so called 20m+ player. Robbie would be worth 30 million if he'd converted just half of the misses and we'd still be 6 points clear in the league.
I could go on all day about Robbie but Im more interested in the politics. First let me say that in a way I agree with the aleged comment of Gillette. I think Rafa was too rash in raising the issue about Ferguson and Man U. Don't get me wrong all he said was accurate just he should never have said it when he did. Even with Liverpool on top the bookies were'nt teven looking at them. Liverpool had climbed to the top unnoticed and no one expected them to stay there. We were on top yet we were not in the spotlight. Rafa put himself and his players in the spotlight and he did'nt need to do it.
So why did he do it? why did Liverpool buy and sell Keane? Whats going on behind the doors at Anfield?
I have been a critic of Rick Parry for such a long time with very few people supporting me in my anger and questioning of his role at Liverpool. Yet is Rick Parry's hand that has brought us to the point we are now at. He seems to have put his own interests above that of the club and there is no doubt he is in a major power struggle with Rafa. The sides are lined up as Parry & Gillette V Benetiz and Hicks. Parry has taken a side in stead of being the peace maker, being the mediator and putting the club first. He brookered the deal for David Moores to sell the club to the two Americans.
I wonder how well he personally done out of that one.
The instability at Liverpool is not on the pitch despite what the armchair football managers here think. Yes I don't think Rafa takes enough chances to win games when he should and sometimes he seems more concerned about not losing but would'nt you be if you had people above you trying to undermine you and get rid of you. Remember Hicks backed Rafa after the Klinsmann fiasco and he said he had been led to veiw Rafa as unreasonable. Who could have given him that impression? Yes Rafa is out spoken, yes I disagree with some of his decisions and yes he is stubborn, ruthless and doesent show his emotions like little Sammy Lee when we score but he has a brilliant football mind and despite all his failins he has the respect of every manager he has ever played against. Even that arrogant fellow Mourinho recognises his ability. Those that bemoan Benetiz and his decisions are blaming the wrong person. Rafa has brought success despite the chief executive not because of him. Parrys only success was in appointing Rafa in the first place.
Rafa's attack on Ferguson and the sale of Keane are only the shadows of what is really going on at Liverpool. I believe Parry bought Keane not Rafa and Parry has cashed in because Rafa did'nt want him but who is the focus on. Not Parry, no Rafa. Its Rafa's fault we sold Keana and its Rafa's fault we did'nt bring in a replacement. Rafa is either a bare faced liar or he is being undermined. Remember after the game on Sunday Rafa said he thought Keane would be still a Liverpool player. Was he lying? Rafa and Hicks are in a struggle to take over the club. Rafa wants total control which means he will buy who he wants. Parry is making decisions that he knows will show Benetiz in a bad light, because what manager would sell and not replace at this point in the season. Answer is simple Benetiz did'nt sell Parry did.
I know I've went on a bit but on final point. The future of Liverpool footall club will be decided in the next few months. The outstanding loans will have to be paid which means the Yanks will have to come up with the dough. The other options are that Hicks gets another partner and the development takes place. The Yanks could start to sell off the Family Jewels in the summer to pay their debts but this is unlikely though not impossible. I think that DIC and the Kuwaitis will hold off to see if the yanks are forced to sell in which case they'll get a bargain, Unless that is we win the Premiership. In which case the yanks will get a bail out. With all these possible angles its sad that the games are being played of the pitch. What saddens me more is fans not being willing to accept other peoples opinions. Or when fans turn on Rafa because 1 player is sold. I often wonder how many fans believe the words they are singing at the beginning and end of evey game. To me personally they are not simply the words of a song. It is my covenant to players and a club that have enriched my life and allowed me to be part of the beautiful game. "You'll never walk alone."
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by Ciggy » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:13 pm
peewee wrote:that's if it was actually said scott,
Gillett could sue Jay Mc if it wasnt, and plenty of others heard him say it around 200 people, plus police and his body guards.
There is no-one anywhere in the world at any stage who is any bigger or any better than this football club.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
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REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
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by SouthCoastShankly » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:14 pm
Ciggy, not being funny, but I don't think I can take your comments seriously anymore. You have now fallen into the fickle fan category.
How on earth can you make this post after the 'Rafa Out' outburst you had the other day after the Wigan draw???
How on earth can you make this post after the 'Rafa Out' outburst you had the other day after the Wigan draw???
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