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by **Yooj Bigullz** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:52 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:1. Which one has scored in a Champions' League Final? Which one was his sides top scorer in their march to said final?

2. Which one plays 90 minutes nearly every game for a top side? Worst Dutch side in living memory - is that Kuyt's fault?

3. Kuyt "can't score", yet has the same amount of goals this season as Keane, despite having played out on the wing.

4. Let's not forget, also, that Kuyt cost half what Keane did, and had never played in England.

5. "wie komme ich am besten zum bahnhof, bitte?" - The trains aren't running mate - Rafa's sabotaged them...

1. Which one has hit double figures in Premiership goals for as long as anyone can remember (clue, its not Kuyt, and the Premiership IS more important than the CL)

2. Not his fault Holland are poor. Certainly helps him get a game though. Nobody will play this supposed striker upfront though

3. ...and playing more minutes. Lots more. Didn't help Keane much being dragged of continually after an hour, despite scoring two (from open play, not penalties)

4. Lets not forget also, that Berbatov cost less in the same season. Lets not forget the increased TV revenue drove the prices of players up since. (remember how much Bent cost spurs?)

5. Did you use Babelfish to translate that? About time the useless shower of shoite put his name towards something productive

by **greenred** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:53 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:Look - I don't rate Keane, couldn't understand his signing, and am glad we have been quick to rectify the mistake.

He didn't work on any level for me. His attitude was all wrong. In my opinion, you do not come to a club like Liverpool and expect to play every game. He's not good enough, he's not mentally strong enough, and he can't cope with a manager who doesn't kiss his backside every two minutes. Perhaps he got caught in the headlights, perhaps he just isn't up to it.

Either way, I'm glad to see the back of him.

And yet Rafa spent 20 million quid on him.

You must think Rafa is a right clueless cu.nt.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:55 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
s@int wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:I was referring to a complete replacement of the entire power structure would render LFC an defunct proposition. Your thoughts?

Hicks and Gillett are a waste of space and will not be missed. Parry according to most is a waste of time money and space and will not be missed. Rafa is proving to be something of a mixed blessing and might be missed but in the end it may prove better for Liverpool FC.

My point is, how can the entire structure of a club change? There needs to be continuity.

I believe that if Rafa leaves, the fans will soon be wishing otherwise.

Which is where we disagree. I think its important to have a manager that put the club above self interest and I don't think Rafa does.

There is no point in arguing any further as its not going to change either of our opinions.

Lets just say I am right and you are simply misled and leave it at that mate I don't want to fall out over this, but I do feel strongly about it, as I am sure you do.

Who would you have replace him, then?

To be perfectly honest I am not sure. There are quite a lot of good managers out there, its just a question of which is the best one available at the time. I had never heard of Benitez until all the rumours about him being our new manager started. The ones in the frame as far as I was concerned at the time were Mourinho, Curbishley, O'Neill(?) and Strachan I think.

No doubt it would be a similar list with maybe Hiddink, Ryckard(sp) added to it, and Curbishley struck from it.

My choice would be Dalglish but no doubt thats down to sentiment more than rational thought.

by **greenred** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:56 am

Rush Job wrote:Ive only read though the last couple of pages so I dont know if something new regarding the transfer has come out but as far as im concerned there is no way Rafa would sell so late in the window that it is impossible to bring anyone else in.
Ive been very critical of Benitez of late but I dont think he would leave us so short in attack, either the owners sold him of their own backs (at very least they sanctioned it) or Keane said he wanted to leave, it was only last week Rafa was angry at Redknapp for as he said trying to unsettle the player. If he wanted rid why not sell then where there is time to get some one else in.
You can see why he wants more control over transfers.

Remember Lawro's conversation with Gerrard a couple of months ago when it was claimed Keane would be moved on in the transfer window?

Rafa has been planning this for ages.

by **SupitsJonF** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:00 am

greenred wrote:
Rush Job wrote:Ive only read though the last couple of pages so I dont know if something new regarding the transfer has come out but as far as im concerned there is no way Rafa would sell so late in the window that it is impossible to bring anyone else in.
Ive been very critical of Benitez of late but I dont think he would leave us so short in attack, either the owners sold him of their own backs (at very least they sanctioned it) or Keane said he wanted to leave, it was only last week Rafa was angry at Redknapp for as he said trying to unsettle the player. If he wanted rid why not sell then where there is time to get some one else in.
You can see why he wants more control over transfers.

Remember Lawro's conversation with Gerrard a couple of months ago when it was claimed Keane would be moved on in the transfer window?

Rafa has been planning this for ages.

Actually Keane has when he spoke to his agent about leaving since November.

by **bigmick** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:02 am

greenred wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Look - I don't rate Keane, couldn't understand his signing, and am glad we have been quick to rectify the mistake.

He didn't work on any level for me. His attitude was all wrong. In my opinion, you do not come to a club like Liverpool and expect to play every game. He's not good enough, he's not mentally strong enough, and he can't cope with a manager who doesn't kiss his backside every two minutes. Perhaps he got caught in the headlights, perhaps he just isn't up to it.

Either way, I'm glad to see the back of him.

And yet Rafa spent 20 million quid on him.

You must think Rafa is a right clueless cu.nt.

Tis a fair enough point when you think about it. Although I've no doubt the counter will be that Rafa didn't want to pay 20 million quid for him, Parry did.

by **Octsky** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:05 am

greenred wrote:Kuyt is not better than Keane.It's silly to suggest such a thing.

Rafa just happens to believe in Kuyt right now.Next season he may believe in someone else.

Why are people so quick to put the boot in on a guy who obviously loves the club.Anyone see his ecstatic reaction yesterday when Nando scored the first goal?

He was jumping around like a fan,despite knowing he was being shown the door on Monday morning.

Great guy,great character.

now..we have screwed barry and keane..2 good players who risked the wrath of their present employers to want to play for us. wat is lfc becoming?

by **SupitsJonF** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:06 am

eh, nvm.

by **greenred** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:19 am

bigmick wrote:
greenred wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Look - I don't rate Keane, couldn't understand his signing, and am glad we have been quick to rectify the mistake.

He didn't work on any level for me. His attitude was all wrong. In my opinion, you do not come to a club like Liverpool and expect to play every game. He's not good enough, he's not mentally strong enough, and he can't cope with a manager who doesn't kiss his backside every two minutes. Perhaps he got caught in the headlights, perhaps he just isn't up to it.

Either way, I'm glad to see the back of him.

And yet Rafa spent 20 million quid on him.

You must think Rafa is a right clueless cu.nt.

Tis a fair enough point when you think about it. Although I've no doubt the counter will be that Rafa didn't want to pay 20 million quid for him, Parry did.

Tbh i would prefer the thought that Rafa had spunked that amount of money on his own.

The alternative,that a Liverpool manager was taking instructions from Parry would be too much to bare.

Would Shankly or Paisley take instructions from that ponce?

Nope...and i would hope Rafa wouldn't either.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:21 am

supersub wrote:Any posts not deemed suitable, as a lasting tribute to Robbie, may be deleted or edited.

by **Rush Job** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:56 am

greenred wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Look - I don't rate Keane, couldn't understand his signing, and am glad we have been quick to rectify the mistake.

He didn't work on any level for me. His attitude was all wrong. In my opinion, you do not come to a club like Liverpool and expect to play every game. He's not good enough, he's not mentally strong enough, and he can't cope with a manager who doesn't kiss his backside every two minutes. Perhaps he got caught in the headlights, perhaps he just isn't up to it.

Either way, I'm glad to see the back of him.

And yet Rafa spent 20 million quid on him.

You must think Rafa is a right clueless cu.nt.

I hate to sound like a broken record but this isnt footy manager, the manager doesnt get to negotiate fee, wages or any of that he just has to twiddle his thumbs and hope Parry and the likes bring in his targets.
Which reading between the lines says to me that although Keane was a player Benitez liked he wasnt top of the list and certainly not for the money wanted.
Ive been saying it for months it must have really p!ssed Rafa off after being told he cant have Barry because of the age of the player and the price there wouldnt be enough sell on value, but they had no problem signing a player of the same age for more, you add to this saga that Benitez want more control over transfers and it all comes togetter.
Shocking bit of business from Parry an co, Rafa cant be happy with this situation yet if his wishes were caried out in the first place we would have avoided this whole mess.
One person who will be quite pleased thgough is Babel who`ll no doubt get a chance up front.

by **Rush Job** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 7:12 am

greenred wrote:
bigmick wrote:
greenred wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Look - I don't rate Keane, couldn't understand his signing, and am glad we have been quick to rectify the mistake.

He didn't work on any level for me. His attitude was all wrong. In my opinion, you do not come to a club like Liverpool and expect to play every game. He's not good enough, he's not mentally strong enough, and he can't cope with a manager who doesn't kiss his backside every two minutes. Perhaps he got caught in the headlights, perhaps he just isn't up to it.

Either way, I'm glad to see the back of him.

And yet Rafa spent 20 million quid on him.

You must think Rafa is a right clueless cu.nt.

Tis a fair enough point when you think about it. Although I've no doubt the counter will be that Rafa didn't want to pay 20 million quid for him, Parry did.

Tbh i would prefer the thought that Rafa had spunked that amount of money on his own.

The alternative,that a Liverpool manager was taking instructions from Parry would be too much to bare.

Would Shankly or Paisley take instructions from that ponce?

Nope...and i would hope Rafa wouldn't either.

He has no choise, managers arent trusted with money these days, which is why he wants more control.
I`m turning into a broken record here, it isnt footy manager, which is why we have missed out on the likes of Barry,Alves etc.

by **Bermenstein** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:00 am

Just wish Keane the best in his return to Spurs. No doubt he will score against us in the last game of the season, but we will have won the league by then with all the goals from Torres and er... Ngog...so it doesnt matter.

I think in the cold light of day, it is the best situation for club & player. Because there was a negativity associated with Keane, LFC supporters and Rafa, and it did divide opinion amongst Lpool fans, which is not a good thing when you are competing for the title and cups.

Keane is a bit of a prima donna, which Rafa certainly doesnt like. But he should have known that before he signed him in the first place. But it's done and dusted, so hopefully we can move up & on.

4-5-1 is Rafa's formation, so lets hope the players can settle into it. Rafa doesn't seem to need to justify playing a 4-4-2, even if it meant having a £20mill striker in Keane on the bench. Maybe Babel can now be used as an alternative striker and get more games. I know he is not playing great, but maybe with more games he might improve.

Anyhow, good luck to Robbie Keane. Hopefully he will score the winning goal against Man Utd on the 25th of April at old trafford.

by **kazza** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:38 am

bigmick wrote:
greenred wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Look - I don't rate Keane, couldn't understand his signing, and am glad we have been quick to rectify the mistake.

He didn't work on any level for me. His attitude was all wrong. In my opinion, you do not come to a club like Liverpool and expect to play every game. He's not good enough, he's not mentally strong enough, and he can't cope with a manager who doesn't kiss his backside every two minutes. Perhaps he got caught in the headlights, perhaps he just isn't up to it.

Either way, I'm glad to see the back of him.

And yet Rafa spent 20 million quid on him.

You must think Rafa is a right clueless cu.nt.

Tis a fair enough point when you think about it. Although I've no doubt the counter will be that Rafa didn't want to pay 20 million quid for him, Parry did.

Actually the counter will be that we never paid 20 million it was 18 million plus add-ons which clearly we will not add-on. We have now sold him for 12 million plus add-ons (probably more like 15 million). A loss no doubt, but not as bad as all are making out. He never worked out and I respect Raffa for dealing with the issue decisively.

So now you have finally come out of the closet Mick, does that mean that all we can expect from you is flaming anti Raffa rhetoric? :laugh:

Deary me

by **Owzat** » Tue Feb 03, 2009 8:38 am

s@int wrote:My lasting memory will be of him being sold and leaving us with only one reputable striker, and how stupid that decision was.

The Robbie Keane Years Months

Appearances : 28
Mins : 1801
Starts : 23
Goals : 7

Goals/App : 0.250
Mins/Goals : 257
Mins/App : 64

HISTORY

August 2008 : Liverpool sign 28 year old Robbie Keane for a reported £20.3m. It was too much for a player uncertain of a place in the top ten current Premiership strikers. Five August appearances, 400 mins and no goals.

September 2008 : Five September appearances, 260 mins and no goals.

October 2008 : Keane finally breaks his duck, scores in his 11th appearance against PSV Eindhoven in the Champions League. Monkey off his back? Maybe. Manager off his back.............? Fans off his back...................?

November 2008 : Having appeared in every one of Liverpool's first 19 games, Keane plays no part in the 20th - the Carling Cup exit away to Tottenham. Keane still makes five appearances in the seven games in November, scoring twice against West Brom.

December 2008 : Keane appears in four of Liverpool's seven games, scores three goals but there is outrage and disbelief among many fans at his exclusion against Newcastle having scored three goals in the previous two games.

January 2008 : Keane misses chance after chance against Preston NE in the FA Cup and the writing is on the wall. Still playing in three of the five Liverpool games in January these prove to be the last 149 mins of his Liverpool career.

February 2008 : Keane is left out of Liverpool's squad for the key game at home to Chelsea, the next day he is sold back to Tottenham for a reported £12m.

Sorry to say but this has to go down as the worst transfer in our history, for it's expense, brevity and inexplicability at virtually every twist and turn. That's not to heap all the blame on Keane, Rafa did not help and as S@int rightly points out, the decision to sell one of our two reputable strikers - and so close to the window so no replacing him until the summer - is soooooooooooo stupid. Tottenham paid what we should have, not a penny more. We're fortunate they offered that much under the circumstances, thankfully 'arry is trying to rewrite history with ex-spurs players and has been generous with fees for our players in the past.

Best moment with Keane? I'd be scratching around, he wasn't a legend as he wasn't here long enough, and I think it's one of hypocrisy, feint praise or delusion from anyone who comes up with anything. Rose tinted specs off, disaster over - or is it just beginning?

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