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by **Zidane** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:32 pm

Effes wrote:Halfway through last season I'd had enough of Rafa - never thought he'd win us the league.
But with the start we had he had me thinking.

This January has just verified what I always feared - he doesnt attck enough, mad team selections
and even madder substitutions.

Yeah, never been a big Rafa fan but he put hope in our hearts with the start of the season but now i'm back to my initial impression of him. What a dissapointment. He's lost it honestly, I think that outburst on fergie put too much pressure on himself, not the players. But he passed that pressure onto the players with the way he has managed and now we look like we have succumbed to it.

by **Emerald Red** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:42 pm

Refreshing post coming from you, Mick. Not to say that you don't ever, but you're being the Devil's advocate at the moment with the positive vibe in your post, which I like. It's good to be optimistic, but lest you forget being realistic. How do you recognize and balance the two? Better still, which do you opt for? Such is life.

I agree with Effs in that we are playing far too flat football at the moment. "Houllier-esque" as he put it. This is true. I've noticed it far too much in our play of late. Far too many balls being played backwards when we should be like a steam train when presented to attack. Lucas was guilty of playing the ball square and back far too often, and I found myself calling him for all the names of the day. Is that Lucas' general style of play, or is he instructed to do this in training? Who knows. But Rafa seriously needs to change our direction once we get into the last 3rd of the pitch. I mentioned this about a week or so ago in one of the match threads. We're not scoring enough goals. This needs to be fixed ASAP! But the question is: can it be done fast enough to turn things around? Is Rafa a good enough manager to realize this major flaw in our play? I also stated in a thread a week or so ago that the next 5 or more games will be telling for our season. Well, that's one of those games gone, and so far the signs are not good. We are still far too tame in attack. It's maddening because the rest of our general play is really as good as any. It's just in that last 3rd we are found wanting.

by **bigmick** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:43 pm

Look, I'm not a Rafa apologist and anybody who has trawled through my nonsense would know that. Neither have I agreed with practically anything he's done for the last 18 months or so. I am absolutely die hard anti rotation, ultra critical of his treatment of Keane etc etc etc. If we don't improve I think he should go etc etc, so please don't misunderstand my point.

My point is simply this, if we forget about what has gone before and look at it in the cold light of day, we are still in with a slight shout. Now I know if we keep playing as we are we are fecked, and I know that if the manager doesn't take his head out from up his erse we are fecked. I know all that. I know we have mega fecked up all along, with silliness, rotation, ridiuclously bad handling of players, ridiculous substitutions etc fecking up our chances. I know all of that. I know we spunked 40 million quid in the Summer on the worst set of signings the club has ever made in the close season. I know we shouldn't have sold Peter Crouch, I know we're too defensive, I know we talk too much sh!t about controlling games without making chances. Yes, I know.

I'm the fella that's been saying it for three fecking years and getting bags of abuse off all and sundry for my stance, so you don't need to tell me, I know!!!!!!!

But, and it's a big but. This is still the best chance we've had in fecking years. It doesn't matter that it may not be the best team we've had in years, it's still our best chance and we shouldn't be giving up yet.We have fifteen matches left, and my suspicion is if we won thirteen and drew two others we might well win the league. We might even get away with winning 12 out of the fifteen, who knows?

Is it probable? Not in a million years no. Is it possible? Not massively possible, but there is a remote possibility yes I think there is. My post is an attempt to set out the best way to do that, not to stick up for whats gone before.

So do me a favour while you're all rushing to conversion into being anti's, remember I'm on your side now

You've got that used to giving me sh!t that your forgetting that I've been sleeping in that corner bunk for about four years now, don't jump ship then still give me b0ll0cks cos it ain't on

.

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:47 pm

Things are definitely looking black when Mick is accused of being an optimist

by **bigmick** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:49 pm

s@int wrote:Things are definitely looking black when Mick is accused of being an optimist

I know S@int, they jump ship, you throw the rope down and the first thing they do when they come on deck is kick you straight in the b0ll0cks

Not saying I don't deserve it mind :laugh:

by **account deleted by request** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:53 pm

As the bloke said in Jaws " I think we may need a bigger ship"

by **Rush Job** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:53 pm

Ciggy wrote:We are not in it anymore no ones elses fault but our own and our defensive manager that continues to take the feckin p!ss.

Yer but you could easy say with 10 minutes to go we should have shut up shop instead of over comiting our selves forward searching for the second which led to their break away, which led to their goal.
Playing devils advocate like.

by **bigmick** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:57 pm

s@int wrote:As the bloke said in Jaws " I think we may need a bigger ship"

Quite possibly S@int but they're gonna get a shock when they try and get a game of pool or table tennis. I've got a tenner in shrapnel on the edge of each table so they'll have to wait a couple of weeks for a game

Feck that winner stays on sh!t.

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:57 pm

well well well, some of the morons who have given me stick over the years for my stance on rafas lack of ability and lack of tactical nous and his negativity are starting to realise at last just how right i was. don't even get me started on his continued selection of kuyt.

no need to embarrass yourselves in here, i will accept apologies via pm :laugh:

by **Dundalk** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:58 pm

Im not going to say we are out of it altogether but anything less than a win against Chelsea and thats the end of that. Its looking good for United at the moment but you never know.

Keane was used like a dog again tonight, if they hadn't have scored he wouldn't have got a sniff

by **Rush Job** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:59 pm

peewee wrote:well well well, some of the morons who have given me stick over the years for my stance on rafas lack of ability and lack of tactical nous and his negativity are starting to realise at last just how right i was. don't even get me started on his continued selection of kuyt.

no need to embarrass yourselves in here, i will accept apologies via pm

Smug mode.

by **bigmick** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:00 am

Well like I say, if we win thirteen out of fifteen we'll be Champions. We can't have been far off doing that at the start of the season so I'm not giving up hope just yet. We probably need to beat Chelsea though, anything less and we're gone.

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:05 am

I do not care about the CL and I hope we get knocked out of it.
I am sick and tired of it now enough is enough.
We have no spirit we have no never say die attitude where is that from?
My marrigae is on the rocks because of them my holiday has set us back 400 quid because of them.

I look like sh!t with blue bags under my eyes because of them maybe its time I cared less about them :glare:

It maybe time I pour my attention to my family instead of them I used to be a Liverpool wife and hated it I am beginning to know how that feels and its not fair.

by **Ciggy** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:10 am

peewee wrote:well well well, some of the morons who have given me stick over the years for my stance on rafas lack of ability and lack of tactical nous and his negativity are starting to realise at last just how right i was. don't even get me started on his continued selection of kuyt.

no need to embarrass yourselves in here, i will accept apologies via pm

Yer lets have a gloating party hey invite Lando whilst yer at it yer divvy.

by **lakes10** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:13 am

bigmick wrote:Look, I'm not a Rafa apologist and anybody who has trawled through my nonsense would know that. Neither have I agreed with practically anything he's done for the last 18 months or so. I am absolutely die hard anti rotation, ultra critical of his treatment of Keane etc etc etc. If we don't improve I think he should go etc etc, so please don't misunderstand my point.

My point is simply this, if we forget about what has gone before and look at it in the cold light of day, we are still in with a slight shout. Now I know if we keep playing as we are we are fecked, and I know that if the manager doesn't take his head out from up his erse we are fecked. I know all that. I know we have mega fecked up all along, with silliness, rotation, ridiuclously bad handling of players, ridiculous substitutions etc fecking up our chances. I know all of that. I know we spunked 40 million quid in the Summer on the worst set of signings the club has ever made in the close season. I know we shouldn't have sold Peter Crouch, I know we're too defensive, I know we talk too much sh!t about controlling games without making chances. Yes, I know.

I'm the fella that's been saying it for three fecking years and getting bags of abuse off all and sundry for my stance, so you don't need to tell me, I know!!!!!!!

But, and it's a big but. This is still the best chance we've had in fecking years. It doesn't matter that it may not be the best team we've had in years, it's still our best chance and we shouldn't be giving up yet.We have fifteen matches left, and my suspicion is if we won thirteen and drew two others we might well win the league. We might even get away with winning 12 out of the fifteen, who knows?

Is it probable? Not in a million years no. Is it possible? Not massively possible, but there is a remote possibility yes I think there is. My post is an attempt to set out the best way to do that, not to stick up for whats gone before.

So do me a favour while you're all rushing to conversion into being anti's, remember I'm on your side now You've got that used to giving me sh!t that your forgetting that I've been sleeping in that corner bunk for about four years now, don't jump ship then still give me b0ll0cks cos it ain't on .

ok you are right, in the cold light of the day we are still in it, there is one problem we need to over come to win.......Rafa and his mind

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