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by **alanricouk** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 6:59 pm

I wonder if Keane can play on the right where Kuijt does? I'd give him a go there anyway to see what happens. He's always dropping deep anyway.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:01 pm

No keane should not play out on the right - he isnt adaptable to play out there and tracking back and energy levels arent the best - stick with him up front with torres and they will gel - still got plenty of games left for him towards the end of the season then re evaulate the keane situation then - lets at least give him a season .

by **LittleHobo** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:01 pm

man ure are as annoyed with berbatov to be fair

keane = 5 league goals, 9 in total

berbatov = 5 league goals, 9 in total

by **alanricouk** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:06 pm

GYBS wrote:No keane should not play out on the right - he isnt adaptable to play out there and tracking back and energy levels arent the best - stick with him up front with torres and they will gel - still got plenty of games left for him towards the end of the season then re evaulate the keane situation then - lets at least give him a season .

I never want us to play a 4-4-2 again. It's rubbish.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:08 pm

alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:No keane should not play out on the right - he isnt adaptable to play out there and tracking back and energy levels arent the best - stick with him up front with torres and they will gel - still got plenty of games left for him towards the end of the season then re evaulate the keane situation then - lets at least give him a season .

I never want us to play a 4-4-2 again. It's rubbish.

then keane is on the bench if we only play one up front .

by **Thingy** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:10 pm

LittleHobo wrote:man ure are as annoyed with berbatov to be fair

keane = 5 league goals, 9 in total

berbatov = 5 league goals, 9 in total

Keans only scored 7 in total for us matey.

by **alanricouk** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:14 pm

GYBS wrote:
alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:No keane should not play out on the right - he isnt adaptable to play out there and tracking back and energy levels arent the best - stick with him up front with torres and they will gel - still got plenty of games left for him towards the end of the season then re evaulate the keane situation then - lets at least give him a season .

I never want us to play a 4-4-2 again. It's rubbish.

then keane is on the bench if we only play one up front .

So stick him where Kuijt plays now in the 4-2-3-1. It's worth a try at least.

Gerrard, Kuijt, Riera, Alonso aren't effective in the 4-4-2 as they are in the other formation. We need Gerrard just behind Torres, and Masch, Alonso, as the holding players. Thats when we are most effective.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:18 pm

keane was tried once out wide both left and right early in the season and was like a lost lamb - he is a striker has only played as a striker and thats where he should play . he is not playing well at the moment - shoving him out wide wont make him play well and cant ever see him being effective out there going up and down the wide areas all day long .

by **alanricouk** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:23 pm

GYBS wrote:keane was tried once out wide both left and right early in the season and was like a lost lamb - he is a striker has only played as a striker and thats where he should play . he is not playing well at the moment - shoving him out wide wont make him play well and cant ever see him being effective out there going up and down the wide areas all day long .

Our 0-0 draws with Fulham, West Ham, Stoke, Villa, Liege where all played with a 4-4-2 with Keane Torres up front, and so was the 1-1 with Everton.

Plus we struggled a 1-0 win with it against Liege and a 2-1 with boro(we came from behind).

It really is just a bad formation to have with our players. I won't risk the form of our team, and form of the players to accommodate Keane. It's just not on.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:26 pm

alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:keane was tried once out wide both left and right early in the season and was like a lost lamb - he is a striker has only played as a striker and thats where he should play . he is not playing well at the moment - shoving him out wide wont make him play well and cant ever see him being effective out there going up and down the wide areas all day long .

Our 0-0 draws with Fulham, West Ham, Stoke, Villa, Liege where all played with a 4-4-2 with Keane Torres up front, and so was the 1-1 with Everton.

Plus we struggled a 1-0 win with it against Liege and a 2-1 with boro(we came from behind).

It really is just a bad formation to have with our players. I won't risk the form of our team, and form of the players to accommodate Keane. It's just not on.

then keane stays on the bench and we play 4-5-1 - simple as that . i never wanted keane at the club and even more so at the price - wanted that sort of money spent on a creative player - for the price of dossena reira and keane we could of got both podolski and silva or podolski and arshavin and that would of given us options and goals .

by **alanricouk** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:28 pm

GYBS wrote:
alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:keane was tried once out wide both left and right early in the season and was like a lost lamb - he is a striker has only played as a striker and thats where he should play . he is not playing well at the moment - shoving him out wide wont make him play well and cant ever see him being effective out there going up and down the wide areas all day long .

Our 0-0 draws with Fulham, West Ham, Stoke, Villa, Liege where all played with a 4-4-2 with Keane Torres up front, and so was the 1-1 with Everton.

Plus we struggled a 1-0 win with it against Liege and a 2-1 with boro(we came from behind).

It really is just a bad formation to have with our players. I won't risk the form of our team, and form of the players to accommodate Keane. It's just not on.

then keane stays on the bench and we play 4-5-1 - simple as that . i never wanted keane at the club and even more so at the price - wanted that sort of money spent on a creative player - for the price of dossena reira and keane we could of got both podolski and silva or podolski and arshavin and that would of given us options and goals .

Doesn't bother me if he stays on the bench. I'd just test him on the right in a 4-2-3-1 and see if it comes to anything, instead of wasting on the bench.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:30 pm

alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:
alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:keane was tried once out wide both left and right early in the season and was like a lost lamb - he is a striker has only played as a striker and thats where he should play . he is not playing well at the moment - shoving him out wide wont make him play well and cant ever see him being effective out there going up and down the wide areas all day long .

Our 0-0 draws with Fulham, West Ham, Stoke, Villa, Liege where all played with a 4-4-2 with Keane Torres up front, and so was the 1-1 with Everton.

Plus we struggled a 1-0 win with it against Liege and a 2-1 with boro(we came from behind).

It really is just a bad formation to have with our players. I won't risk the form of our team, and form of the players to accommodate Keane. It's just not on.

then keane stays on the bench and we play 4-5-1 - simple as that . i never wanted keane at the club and even more so at the price - wanted that sort of money spent on a creative player - for the price of dossena reira and keane we could of got both podolski and silva or podolski and arshavin and that would of given us options and goals .

Doesn't bother me if he stays on the bench. I'd just test him on the right in a 4-2-3-1 and see if it comes to anything, instead of wasting on the bench.

why when we have someone who has proved to be a success out on the right in that formation both last year and this year by creating chances and scoring improtant goals for us while playing out there .

by **bigmick** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:48 pm

Bermenstein wrote:
bigmick wrote:...........Now based on his performance against Everton, he is no use to us whatsoever. I don't think I've ever seen a more inept performance from a player of his ability, and it's got me worried......

Well if Keane is Rubbish IYO, what does that tell you about the manager splashing out the money he did on him? No wonder the board are questioning and reviewing Rafa's potential acquirements with his erratic player judgement.

It really does my head in with all this Keane bashing. Torres also had a stinker against Everton. Did you notice that? Look at Berbatov stroll around the pitch for the Mancs. Hardly any input for most of the game, then bang, gets winning goals late in the game. Keane get 60-65 mins, and is hauled off. Keane COULD get goals late on, if he STAYED on, and was given a chance.

Of course his performances are bad recently, thats because he is Rafa's victim week in, week out, whether on the pitch, or exhibited on the bench, like a schoolboy sent to stand in the corner. I hope he throws a wobbler & gets the fu.ck out and does brilliant for whoever signs him, for his own sake.

Rafa prefers not to loose, than to win. Way too negative, for players like Keane, and dare I say Torres.

Keane didn't become bad overnight.
It is a gradual, continual eroding of the players confidence by the manager. The manager is destroying the player and also the clubs investment, as if we wanted to sell him on, we'd be lucky to get back 50% of the fee spent on him.

Istanbul has been and gone. It looks like 2008-2009 will be a season of "If Only" come what May. Looks like 2nd place could even be a battle, now with Viila coming into form, and Arsenal will probably turn it on for the run in, which could possibly mean our aim could be whats becoming the perennial fight for 4th spot? Mediocrity strikes again.......

I could be wrong, and stand to be corrected. Just quote this back to me at the end of the season,
and call me the biggest fooookwit you want, and I would gladly accept the derision. I'll run the gauntlet right or wrong.

Feels a bit wierd having all that "well if Keane is rubbish IYO etc etc" stuff thrown at me.

It's a good post mate and I agree with nearly all of it. I could have written it meself, infact I probably have, quite a few times.

I'm no Keane basher bud, you got the wrong fella

by **alanricouk** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:49 pm

GYBS wrote:
alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:
alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:keane was tried once out wide both left and right early in the season and was like a lost lamb - he is a striker has only played as a striker and thats where he should play . he is not playing well at the moment - shoving him out wide wont make him play well and cant ever see him being effective out there going up and down the wide areas all day long .

Our 0-0 draws with Fulham, West Ham, Stoke, Villa, Liege where all played with a 4-4-2 with Keane Torres up front, and so was the 1-1 with Everton.

Plus we struggled a 1-0 win with it against Liege and a 2-1 with boro(we came from behind).

It really is just a bad formation to have with our players. I won't risk the form of our team, and form of the players to accommodate Keane. It's just not on.

then keane stays on the bench and we play 4-5-1 - simple as that . i never wanted keane at the club and even more so at the price - wanted that sort of money spent on a creative player - for the price of dossena reira and keane we could of got both podolski and silva or podolski and arshavin and that would of given us options and goals .

Doesn't bother me if he stays on the bench. I'd just test him on the right in a 4-2-3-1 and see if it comes to anything, instead of wasting on the bench.

why when we have someone who has proved to be a success out on the right in that formation both last year and this year by creating chances and scoring improtant goals for us while playing out there .

Because he's been sh!t for three months. Also, :censored:

up front when hes played there as well.

by **GYBS** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:58 pm

alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:
alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:
alanricouk wrote:
GYBS wrote:keane was tried once out wide both left and right early in the season and was like a lost lamb - he is a striker has only played as a striker and thats where he should play . he is not playing well at the moment - shoving him out wide wont make him play well and cant ever see him being effective out there going up and down the wide areas all day long .

Our 0-0 draws with Fulham, West Ham, Stoke, Villa, Liege where all played with a 4-4-2 with Keane Torres up front, and so was the 1-1 with Everton.

Plus we struggled a 1-0 win with it against Liege and a 2-1 with boro(we came from behind).

It really is just a bad formation to have with our players. I won't risk the form of our team, and form of the players to accommodate Keane. It's just not on.

then keane stays on the bench and we play 4-5-1 - simple as that . i never wanted keane at the club and even more so at the price - wanted that sort of money spent on a creative player - for the price of dossena reira and keane we could of got both podolski and silva or podolski and arshavin and that would of given us options and goals .

Doesn't bother me if he stays on the bench. I'd just test him on the right in a 4-2-3-1 and see if it comes to anything, instead of wasting on the bench.

why when we have someone who has proved to be a success out on the right in that formation both last year and this year by creating chances and scoring improtant goals for us while playing out there .

Because he's been sh!t for three months. Also, up front when hes played there as well.

he hasnt played there for the last two months due to having to cover for torres being out injured . and when he played up front against newcastle he wasnt shi t at all .

kuyt has been proved to be a sucess out right on numerous occasions and has contributed plenty of times when the need has arisen and has played his part in some important wins - yes he has been a bit of form but when he was on form we were marching towards the top of the table and winning games so to me that suggest he is an important player for us - there is no one in the club that can do a better job than him out there and no one has proven to that they can do a better job than him there .

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