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by **devaney** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:25 pm

Leon - Reinna brilliant but what happens if he gets injured - from what I have seen of Cav he is close to a liability - this is just one example of what I mean by strength in depth.

Just take a look at what we had on the bench against Everton if you need absolute confirmation that we have no strength in depth - I am talking in terms of the squad - it just isn't strong or talented enough.

Some of the players like Dossena should be nowhere near Anfield other than to deliver sandwiches! You actually seriously believe that apart fro the exceptional Torres that we have any kind of a strike force? Sorry I am not going to spend too much time on that one!

by **jedwards** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:25 pm

devaney wrote:I hate to criticise a man who made May 2005 great !! But Rafa has spent the same as Ferguson over 4 seasons up to the beginning of this season which was £24.5m a year and that is taking into account what he has sold. Just what have we got apart from Torres, Alonso,Rierra and Skrtel. Masch - is he worth £20m - certainly not the player he was last year. Keane - just awful and a complete waste of money. Kuyt - works hard but now that the goals have dried up just what have we got? Pennant, Babel, Dossena, Cav,Lucas and Benayoun are just not worth of the red shirt.

Does this look like the transfer record of a title winning manager?

Josemi Rey Malaga £2,000,000 26.07.2004
Antonio Nunez Real Madrid £1,500,000* 17.08.2004
Luis Garcia Barcelona £6,000,000 20.08.2004
Xabi Alonso Real Sociedad £10,700,000 20.08.2004
Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia Free 05.01.2005
Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £6,300,000 13.01.2005
Scott Carson Leeds United £1,000,000 21.01.2005
Antonio Barragan Sevilla £240,000 04.07.2005
Boudewijn Zenden Free Transfer Free* 04.07.2005
Jose Reina Villareal £6,000,000 04.07.2005
Mohamed Sissoko Valencia £5,600,000 14.07.2005
Peter Crouch Southampton £7,000,000 20.07.2005
Godwin Antwi Real Zaragoza Unknown 15.08.2005
Miki Roque Lleida Unknown 15.08.2005
Jack Hobbs Lincoln City £150,000* 18.08.2005
Besian Idrizaj LASK Linz £190,000* 22.08.2005
Mark Gonzalez Albacete £1,500,000* 20.10.2005
Paul Anderson Hull City Player Exchange* 01.01.2006
Jan Kromkamp Villareal Player Exchange* 04.01.2006
Daniel Agger Brøndby £5,800,000 12.01.2006
David Martin MK Dons £250,000* 12.01.2006
Robbie Fowler Man City Free 27.01.2006
Craig Bellamy Blackburn £6,000,000 01.07.2006
Gabriel Paletta Club Atlético Banfield £2,000,000 04.07.2006
Fábio Aurélio Valencia Free 05.07.2006
Jermaine Pennant Birmingham £6,700,000 26.07.2006
Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord £9,000,000 18.08.2006
Nabil El Zhar St Etienne £200,000 21.08.2006
Astrit Ajdarevic Falkenberg £750,000* 11.01.2007
Daniele Padelli Sampdoria On Loan* 12.01.2007
Jordy Brouwer Ajax Undisclosed* 24.01.2007
Francisco Durán Malaga £66,000* 30.01.2007
Ronald Huth Tacuary FC Undisclosed 31.01.2007
Álvaro Arbeloa Deportivo £2,500,000 31.01.2007
Javier Mascherano West Ham On Loan 20.02.2007
Lucas Leiva Gremio £5,000,000 11.05.2007
Mikel San José Domínguez Athletic Bilbao £270,000 28.06.2007
Sebastian Leto Club Atlético Lanús £1,800,000 01.07.2007
Fernando Torres Atletico Madrid £20,200,000 04.07.2007
Andriy Voronin Leverkusen Free* 06.07.2007
Yossi Benayoun West Ham £5,000,000 12.07.2007
Ryan Babel Ajax £11,500,000 13.07.2007
Charles Itandje Lens Undisclosed 09.08.2007
Emiliano Insúa Boca Juniors £1,300,000* 26.08.2007
Martin Skrtel Zenit St Petersburg £6,500,000 11.01.2008
Javier Mascherano Media Sports Investment £17,000,000 29.02.2008
Philipp Degen Dortmund Free* 03.07.2008
Andrea Dossena Udinese £7,000,000 04.07.2008
Diego Cavalieri Palmeiras £3,500,000 11.07.2008
David Ngog Paris St Germain £1,500,000 24.07.2008
Robbie Keane Tottenham £19,000,000* 28.07.2008
Albert Riera Espanyol £8,000,000 31.08.2008

Rafael Benítez bought 52 players for £190,616,000

Markus Babbel VfB Stuttgart Free 16.07.2004
Danny Murphy Charlton £2,500,000 10.08.2004
Michael Owen Real Madrid £8,500,000* 14.08.2004
Stephane Henchoz Celtic Free 28.01.2005
Vladimir Smicer Bordeaux Free 13.06.2005
El Hadji Diouf Bolton £3,500,000 15.06.2005
Mauricio Pellegrino Alaves Free* 17.06.2005
Alou Diarra Lens £2,000,000 23.06.2005
Mark Smyth Unknown Free* 01.07.2005
Paul Harrison Unknown Free* 01.07.2005
Richie Partridge Unknown Free* 01.07.2005
Patrice Luzi Unknown Free* 01.07.2005
Gregory Vignal Portsmouth Free* 01.07.2005
Igor Biscan Panathinaikos Free* 01.07.2005
Jon Otsemobor Rotherham United Free* 01.07.2005
Antonio Nunez Celta Vigo £2,000,000* 29.07.2005
Milan Baros Aston Villa £6,500,000 23.08.2005
John Welsh Hull City Player Exchange* 01.01.2006
Josemi Rey Villareal Player Exchange* 02.01.2006
Zak Whitbread Millwall £200,000 13.06.2006
Bruno Cheyrou Rennes Undisclosed 29.06.2006
Robbie Foy Unknown Free* 01.07.2006
David Raven Carlisle £0* 03.07.2006
Fernando Morientes Valencia £3,000,000 05.07.2006
Dietmar Hamann Bolton Free 11.07.2006
Antonio Barragan Deportivo £675,000 03.08.2006
Djimi Traore Charlton £2,000,000 09.08.2006
Carl Medjani Lorient Free 12.08.2006
Neil Mellor Preston £500,000 30.08.2006
Jan Kromkamp PSV Eindhoven £1,750,000 31.08.2006
Chris Kirkland Wigan Ath. £3,500,000* 27.10.2006
Darren Potter Wolves £250,000* 18.01.2007
Stephen Warnock Blackburn £1,500,000 22.01.2007
Salif Diao Stoke Free 25.01.2007
Florent S.-Pongolle Recreativo de Huelva £2,700,000 04.05.2007
Daniele Padelli Sampdoria Returns from loan 08.06.2007
Danny O' Donnell Crewe £100,000 13.06.2007
Jerzy Dudek Real Madrid Free* 01.07.2007
Boudewijn Zenden Marseille Free* 01.07.2007
Robbie Fowler Cardiff Free* 01.07.2007
Luis Garcia Atletico Madrid £4,000,000 03.07.2007
Djibril Cissé Marseille £6,000,000 09.07.2007
Craig Bellamy West Ham £7,500,000 10.07.2007
Mark Gonzalez Real Betis £3,500,000 17.07.2007
Gabriel Paletta Boca Juniors £1,200,000* 26.08.2007
James Smith Stockport Cou. Free 28.12.2007
Mohamed Sissoko Juventus £8,200,000 28.01.2008
Lee Peltier Yeovil Free* 31.01.2008
John Arne Riise AS Roma £4,000,000 01.07.2008
Harry Kewell Free Transfer Free 01.07.2008
Anthony Le Tallec Le Mans Undisclosed 02.07.2008
Peter Crouch Portsmouth £11,000,000* 11.07.2008
Danny Guthrie Newcastle £2,250,000 14.07.2008
Scott Carson WBA £3,250,000* 18.07.2008
Steve Finnan Espanyol Undisclosed* 31.08.2008

Rafael Benítez sold 55 players for £92,075,000

This season how many times have we looked convincing - very very few in my opinion and it is down to resources - NO WONDER Rafa TAKES A CAUTIOUS APPROACH WITH THAT LOT! I DISPAIR! And to think we blame the Yanks for everything and just look what we have spent ffs. No other clubs other than Chelsea have spent more and for what. I know we are second but where will we be in May?

Benitez is a master of a very common method TRY & ERROR, he buys players in the first place, not even fully knowing they will fit his negative system and style of play.

He is also a master of buying well over priced players, to sell them for almost to nothing, he buys young talented players and turns them to below average players, then he unload and sell them for nothing too.

What really amazed me that some of LFC fans still thinks he is a top class manager, based on his records at LFC, and I may ask what did Benitez achieved over the past three years!! NOTHING, JUST WASTING MORE OF THE CLUB MONEY ON PLAYERS WHO ARE BELOW AVRAGE, AND NO REWARDS.

I think he is a negative very average manager, and quite similar to the kind of players he had brought to LFC, since he has been in charge of LFC.

by **devaney** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:37 pm

Jedwards - Rafa actually made a profit of £1.5m on that nasty litlle tw.t Bellend who should never have been allowed anywhere near Liverpool. A really horrible little cnt if ever there was one. No scruples and not a fat lot of talent. But what West Ham have made on him makes me feel even worse!

Why are the American's rushing to get a signature from Rafa for a £25m five year contract? This is a massive year for Benitez and if it ends in tears and I think it will then just what has he achieved. Yes thank you for May 2005 and all that but it was four years ago and the Mancs continue to catch up with the most decorated English team!

by **heimdall** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:42 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
devaney wrote:Leon - I am glad you used the words TRYING to build a squad !! Houllier also spent £14m a year which also includes the players he sold. With Houllier and Rafa that is over ten years and just what have we got and where are we going? Virtually no strength in depth and some very unconvincing football.

No strength in depth ?

Dont let a recent slump in form, injuries and recent results cloud your judgement.

Keeper - one of the best in the business.

Centre back - Carra, Skrtel, Hyypia and Agger.

Left back - Aurelio, Dossena (Italian first choice despite form here) and Insua.

Right back - only Arbeloa.

Central midfield - Gerrad, Alonso and Mascherano

Wings - Riera only.

Strikers - Kuyt, Torres and KEane.

Point being - apart from down hte right, we have some excellent stregth in depth.

I thought Kuyt wasa right midfielder, in any case how the hell he has be described as a strength is beyond me. The players you listed constitute a first team with subs. I maintain that you just proved that we don't have strength in depth.

by **Leonmc0708** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:48 pm

heimdall wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
devaney wrote:Leon - I am glad you used the words TRYING to build a squad !! Houllier also spent £14m a year which also includes the players he sold. With Houllier and Rafa that is over ten years and just what have we got and where are we going? Virtually no strength in depth and some very unconvincing football.

No strength in depth ?

Dont let a recent slump in form, injuries and recent results cloud your judgement.

Keeper - one of the best in the business.

Centre back - Carra, Skrtel, Hyypia and Agger.

Left back - Aurelio, Dossena (Italian first choice despite form here) and Insua.

Right back - only Arbeloa.

Central midfield - Gerrad, Alonso and Mascherano

Wings - Riera only.

Strikers - Kuyt, Torres and KEane.

Point being - apart from down hte right, we have some excellent stregth in depth.

I thought Kuyt wasa right midfielder, in any case how the hell he has be described as a strength is beyond me. The players you listed constitute a first team with subs. I maintain that you just proved that we don't have strength in depth.

And I maintain that you are a pleb.

So we will have to agree to maintain.

by **Roger Red Hat** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:56 pm

this place is THE place to be on the internet. Full of informative posts and packed with entertainment. I love it here. :cool:

by **The Good Yank** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:05 pm

I just had the chance to watch the match. It's amazing to me to see how poorly this team has been playing. I honestly can't see it getting any better as long as we have to watch Carra flounder away at RB. This is Liverpool Football Club. Get it sorted. The lack of depth / quality at both fullback spots is just draining any creativity right out of this club.

by **redbeergoggles** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:28 pm

Lets knock the bitters out of the only cup they are in ,lets get behind the Reds and take away the only thing the Blue :censored:

have left to cheer about

Now that would make Monday in work a lot more palatable .

by **Madmax** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:48 pm

aye and i wouldnt be surprised if we do knock them out with a high scoreline. Its the F.A Cups and less pressure i presume.

by **heimdall** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:00 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Leonmc0708 wrote:
devaney wrote:Leon - I am glad you used the words TRYING to build a squad !! Houllier also spent £14m a year which also includes the players he sold. With Houllier and Rafa that is over ten years and just what have we got and where are we going? Virtually no strength in depth and some very unconvincing football.

No strength in depth ?

Dont let a recent slump in form, injuries and recent results cloud your judgement.

Keeper - one of the best in the business.

Centre back - Carra, Skrtel, Hyypia and Agger.

Left back - Aurelio, Dossena (Italian first choice despite form here) and Insua.

Right back - only Arbeloa.

Central midfield - Gerrad, Alonso and Mascherano

Wings - Riera only.

Strikers - Kuyt, Torres and KEane.

Point being - apart from down hte right, we have some excellent stregth in depth.

I thought Kuyt wasa right midfielder, in any case how the hell he has be described as a strength is beyond me. The players you listed constitute a first team with subs. I maintain that you just proved that we don't have strength in depth.

And I maintain that you are a pleb.

So we will have to agree to maintain.

Well that put me in my place. :rasp

by **Number 9** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:21 pm

Lee J wrote: this place is THE place to be on the internet. Full of informative posts and packed with entertainment. I love it here.

Everyone is really sound and all...Feel the love brothers n sisters! :laugh:

We should all take acid....then it would be like a big hippy commune...aye the Manson family!

by **HacksawJimDuggin** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 10:53 pm

First chance I've had to post following last night's game.

My observations -

Rafa got the line up and team wrong - Great to see Torres back but why revert to 4-4-2 when 4-5-1 has served us so well to now. Mascherano should have started with Gerrard playing off Torres
Carra had a torrid time at RB
Skrtel all of a sudden thought he was a football player rather than a combative CB (we missed Agger)
Hyypia was consistently out jumped and pushed about by Cahill
Reira and Kuyt were ineffective (although Kuyt did some good defensive work).

In short we were not very good last night. I can't help but think that had Torres scored in the 1st half the result would have been very different.

by **bigmick** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:10 pm

HacksawJimDuggin wrote:In short we were not very good last night. I can't help but think that had Torres scored in the 1st half the result would have been very different.

Very true mate, that was an absolutely huge moment in the match.

One thing which has absolutely startled me in the aftermath debate is the lack of mention of the penalty claim. There are a bunch of posters on here who will blame luck, the length of the grass, the weather etc and I fully expected the boards to be awash with people moaning about the ref and our "cast iron penalty" but it's hardly been mentioned.

FWIW I don't think it was a stick-on, but I did think it was a penalty. I think if perhaps Torres hadn't gone down quite so theatrically we would have got it as well.

by **metalhead** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:18 pm

bigmick wrote:One thing which has absolutely startled me in the aftermath debate is the lack of mention of the penalty claim. There are a bunch of posters on here who will blame luck, the length of the grass, the weather etc and I fully expected the boards to be awash with people moaning about the ref and our "cast iron penalty" but it's hardly been mentioned.

I mentioned it in the play rating thread, a deserved penalty that was not given.

by **we all dream...** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 11:59 pm

I watched the game in my local boozer, which unfortunately at the moment is in west London, dont get me wrong, I love london, but I love the north west so much more. Basically I sit there amongst a load of southern liverpool fans all spouting off about how :censored:

we are and how :censored:

rafa is and "what a donkey torres is for missing that chance, hes lost it" n "that gerrard needs to get his head on the game, hes :censored:

" n "rafa hasn't a fu*king clue, why go with 442" and the same guy say " why take keane off, kuyts :censored:

, take him off, anyway bring bable on, we need 442." Even "those yanks are ruin the club" annoys me because they know nothing about this great club and the reason real fans are angry, upset and emmbaressed. These dicks dont know the half of it, they can't even hold a proper conversation on anything real.

Basically im watchin football at home from now on. Uneducated :censored:

.

I had a heavy conversation with some "geezer" at full time for mouthing off like a pr1ck about how we need to sack Rafa. Basically his argument was sack rafa now, get someone else, it would "shake up the players to perform better than this :censored:

so far this season" aswell as giving someone else a go at selling and buying players. If he had a decent argument to back up his ideas i would have sat and talked to him and had a decent in depth debate about the club i love. Instead he was full of hot fart smelling air. dont wana bore u with the details but by the end if the conversation I had called him a :censored:

and said untill you actually think about what ur saying and why ur saying it stop bad mouthing my club.

I just wish people would take an educated view of things down here and not jump on band wagons, one week some guy will be saying he likes kuyt the next week that he is :censored:

. I have respect for a lot of people on here because they have educated arguments and stick to their beliefs unless something changes them, and most people are humble.

These :censored:

I have to deal with in "The New Inn," snassy name, do me head in, they know nothing, it even winds me up when we win becasue they even chat :censored:

about how amazing weve been when in actual fact we were lucky.

I love my club and will support then thru think and thin, at the moment things are better than they have been for 18 years and im lovong it, where not gonna win every game and we are gonna have a bad run. But for gods sake stop demolishin what we have got and what we could have, as well as my happyness, by tearing everthing to shreads.

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