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by **MadameFlab** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:06 am

bigmick wrote:Fair enough Lando, and I personally had no problem with taking either off. Torres was a must, he was dead on his feet and we'd have looked pretty silly if he'd got injured again stretching for something. Keane as I've already said was anonymous so no bother.

Does anyone think though with the benefit of hindsight Babel might have been an option (and to all Babelians, please schtop, I'm not saying I particularly rate him). He would at least have stretched Everton (and no doubt all our patience while he was at it) with his pace, direct running and "unpredictability". That way, we could have left Dirky Boy where he was, and my guess is he may not have got muscled out of it by Amechobi like Benayoun did.

Also, I can't imagine a circumstance where you need a defensive midfielder and you opt for Lucas over Masherano either. Just me but there you go.

Anyway, don't accuse me of a Rafa bash because they are all side issues with regards this match. If Riera and Skyrtel don't mess up defending the free kick, Gerrards bit of magic gets us Home.

I think that Lucas was put on because like him or not, he does see more of the ball than Mascherano when we're in possession.

It shouldn't really have mattered either way. He was in no way at fault for their equaliser, and as you said - if Riera had dealt with the ball in, no-one would care.

by **Toffeehater** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:27 am

lando mate you need to calm down , some people just get :censored:

off after the game but i'm sure they are just taking the :censored:

, don't let it get to you

by **The_Rock** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:46 am

Kharhaz wrote:
The_Rock wrote:As soon as i saw lando's name in this thread....i knew this thread will decend into bickerings

Lando contributes nothing to this forum. All he does is insults fellow LFC fans when they say something remotely negative about the manager and certain LFC players.

He of course can say anything he wants about players "not signed" by beneitz (Keane....Pennant) ... He of course can insult the current CEO of this club. But if anyone dares to say anything of beneitz (Benitez and Parry are both employees of the club)....then he comes out with all knives.

You guys don't believe me....why don't you check on all of lando's previous posts ... he constantly name calls fellow members...he even challenges to to ban me (is he smoking crack or something..... hehe.... :P)

I haven't really complained to the mods about a fellow poster here... (you can check with them if you want). But lando is really pushing it here.

Now its up to you guys, the mods.... (yeah....i am putting a formal complaint against lando here )

Now as for the match....(some of you guys can call it a Kuyt rant)...what do you think will happen when you have kuyt in the team ? Kuyt as a RW is still Kuyt.... He does not suddenly become christiano ronaldo if he plays there.

I admit...kuyt does some job against the more stronger teams (harassing the fullbacks..and stuff). But if u constantly plays him against decent teams who can "park a bus" (ie....the other 17 teams in this league)...he will be found out sooner. The team can only carry him so far.

I once said Kuyt will be the downfall of benitez....hey if benitez wants to prove me right.....well....i have no complaints...

Your talking recently. Have you read the rest of his replies? im guessing no. He offers more than you do by a very long shot, it grows tiresome listening to tirades of "im tired of Liverpool", "im tired of rafa", "im tired of posting tripe". Guess the difference between you and lando. Of one I can accept, the other grows tiresome.

Who asked for your opinion ? jesus...if u don't like it don't read it.

The problem with lando is that he insults everyone who disagrees with his opinion..

And if you like reading "lando insults" instead of constructive criticism..... hey maybe its better if u don't respond to my posts.... :talktothehand

by **MadameFlab** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:57 am

The_Rock wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:
The_Rock wrote:As soon as i saw lando's name in this thread....i knew this thread will decend into bickerings

Lando contributes nothing to this forum. All he does is insults fellow LFC fans when they say something remotely negative about the manager and certain LFC players.

He of course can say anything he wants about players "not signed" by beneitz (Keane....Pennant) ... He of course can insult the current CEO of this club. But if anyone dares to say anything of beneitz (Benitez and Parry are both employees of the club)....then he comes out with all knives.

You guys don't believe me....why don't you check on all of lando's previous posts ... he constantly name calls fellow members...he even challenges to to ban me (is he smoking crack or something..... hehe.... :P)

I haven't really complained to the mods about a fellow poster here... (you can check with them if you want). But lando is really pushing it here.

Now its up to you guys, the mods.... (yeah....i am putting a formal complaint against lando here )

Now as for the match....(some of you guys can call it a Kuyt rant)...what do you think will happen when you have kuyt in the team ? Kuyt as a RW is still Kuyt.... He does not suddenly become christiano ronaldo if he plays there.

I admit...kuyt does some job against the more stronger teams (harassing the fullbacks..and stuff). But if u constantly plays him against decent teams who can "park a bus" (ie....the other 17 teams in this league)...he will be found out sooner. The team can only carry him so far.

I once said Kuyt will be the downfall of benitez....hey if benitez wants to prove me right.....well....i have no complaints...

Your talking recently. Have you read the rest of his replies? im guessing no. He offers more than you do by a very long shot, it grows tiresome listening to tirades of "im tired of Liverpool", "im tired of rafa", "im tired of posting tripe". Guess the difference between you and lando. Of one I can accept, the other grows tiresome.

Who asked for your opinion ? jesus...if u don't like it don't read it.

The problem with lando is that he insults everyone who disagrees with his opinion..

And if you like reading "lando insults" instead of constructive criticism..... hey maybe its better if u don't respond to my posts....

There is nothing constructive about you.

by **red_guy** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:43 am

ooo my God ...still sleepy. Woke up at 4 am just to watch the game.....

People here talk about constructive criticism.... ok... here goes..
1. We should concentrate more on getting the right results, stop the mind games and rally cries - not working.
2. Don't leave any space for the opposition to breath every time we lead.
3. I think we should be more direct in a certain situations.... i.e late equalizer by the oppositions , trying to get a winning goal in the dying minutes...
4. Don't give silly freekicks i.e unnecessary fouls etc.
5. A faster counter attack (with less passes).

Enough for now. I think that's constructive enough .

by **milou** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 7:46 am

As much as the late goal was difficult to swallow.. you really can't say a draw was an excessively unfair result. The stats showed that we had only 9(2) shots on goal, while everton had 7(6)..

Keane was so unbelievably bad, again.

And as much as I am not from the happy-clappy camp, we are level on point (or at most 3 pts behind). What matters is there are still 16 matches or 48 pts to go! So it is still not time to throw in the towel.

If we step up a gear now (although we have been saying since 10 matches ago

), we can still do it.

by **alanricouk** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:20 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:
The_Rock wrote:As soon as i saw lando's name in this thread....i knew this thread will decend into bickerings

Lando contributes nothing to this forum. All he does is insults fellow LFC fans when they say something remotely negative about the manager and certain LFC players.

He of course can say anything he wants about players "not signed" by beneitz (Keane....Pennant) ... He of course can insult the current CEO of this club. But if anyone dares to say anything of beneitz (Benitez and Parry are both employees of the club)....then he comes out with all knives.

You guys don't believe me....why don't you check on all of lando's previous posts ... he constantly name calls fellow members...he even challenges to to ban me (is he smoking crack or something..... hehe.... :P)

I haven't really complained to the mods about a fellow poster here... (you can check with them if you want). But lando is really pushing it here.

Now its up to you guys, the mods.... (yeah....i am putting a formal complaint against lando here )

Now as for the match....(some of you guys can call it a Kuyt rant)...what do you think will happen when you have kuyt in the team ? Kuyt as a RW is still Kuyt.... He does not suddenly become christiano ronaldo if he plays there.

I admit...kuyt does some job against the more stronger teams (harassing the fullbacks..and stuff). But if u constantly plays him against decent teams who can "park a bus" (ie....the other 17 teams in this league)...he will be found out sooner. The team can only carry him so far.

I once said Kuyt will be the downfall of benitez....hey if benitez wants to prove me right.....well....i have no complaints...

Good to see I am the first thing you look for darling.

Now then - about that suicide you promised me...

Pipe down there, fatty. No one cares what you have to say.

by **Owzat** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:21 am

devaney wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:
aCe' wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:Ah, again, it's always a good time to have a go at Kuyt.

You bunch of f*cking losers.

sorry there didnt know he was blowing you too....

always great ur input in all threads... dont know where these boards would be without your little wisea$s remarks....

You sad, pathetic excuse for a genital wart. Why don't you get back to the sewer with all the other turds?

We drew a very scrappy game against a team who were playing their cup final.

Get a grip, get over it, get a knife and get killing yourself.

Great post - well constructed - what a hero - who is your publicist

He went to the Joe Kinnear school of diplomacy!

by **Owzat** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:24 am

So hard to find decent posts (about football) to quote in match threads these days, can I suggest to mods maybe we need to have a matchday threads subforum and you can be banned from it/have to be well behaved to be allowed to access it. Maybe that will reduce the threads by 2/3 and it won't be so hard to dodge the bickering and slanging matches. Maybe a few will either learn to control their anger or miss out on discussing the match - win-win situation possibly

milou wrote:As much as the late goal was difficult to swallow.. you really can't say a draw was an excessively unfair result. The stats showed that we had only 9(2) shots on goal, while everton had 7(6)..

Fair results aren't going to win us the league, the mancs didn't settle for a fair result in any of their narrow wins - they took 'unfair' and are top for it.

milou wrote:Keane was so unbelievably bad, again.

Only takes a half-decent defence to keep him quiet, his scoring and good games seem limited to poor opposition

PSV - way off the pace in Holland
West Brom - probably worst team in Premiership
Arsenal - well, there's always the exception as Crouch also found
Bolton - not the greatest side, certainly not defensively

He can't complain he gets subbed, or when he doesn't start. Probably the biggest mistake of the summer, cost a packet and delivered little.

milou wrote:And as much as I am not from the happy-clappy camp, we are level on point (or at most 3 pts behind). What matters is there are still 16 matches or 48 pts to go! So it is still not time to throw in the towel.

If we step up a gear now (although we have been saying since 10 matches ago ), we can still do it.

No, we can't throw in the towel. But I almost feel like the players will soon. Some aren't good enough, certainly not worthy of a league winners' medal, and the rest can't carry a bad lot. Kuyt's form has dipped badly since being used up front, Riera had a poor game and Keane may as well have been on the bench and stayed there.

For me the problem is with Rafa and his tic-tacs. The team is all too easy to counter-attack, loses possession too much and just far too easy to counter full stop. How is it so many sides can be ordinary yet get quite a lot of chances against us? Benayoun wants shooting for the silly free-kick he conceded, Rafa's substitutions made little sense again and the concept fo dne put forward that he is some kind of 'tactical genius' is hard to swallow. We have no strikers on the bench, so we take both off and bring on (ordinary) midfielders plus Babel - the one potential striker who more often than not is played on the left.

If he's a tactical genius, I'm Harry Potter. He changes things around the 70th minute no matter how things are going, he doesn't react to the situation no matter how dire. I can only see things going downhill, we've a few tough months ahead of us and if you consider who we've played and how badly our form has dipped, you have to wonder if tougher games will kill us off quickly

Games 1-11 : P11 W8 D2 L1 PTS 26 (Won 72.73%, 2.36 pts/game)

Beat Man Utd (h), Chelsea (a), Man City (a), Sunderland (a), Bitters (a) - some pretty decent wins if not performances.

Games 12-22 : P11 W5 D6 L0 PTS 21 (Won 45.45%, 1.90 pts/game)

Wins over WBA (h), Bolton (h&a), Newcastle (a) and Blackburn (a) papering over the cracks. Fulham (h), Stoke (h&a), Bitters (h), Hull (h) have all taken points off us in lame displays by us.

We are still in our best ever Premiership start, however we're limping along and no previous start resulted in a proper title challenge and we're a matter of points ahead of previous good starts simply because they too fizzled out. We've scored 36 goals in the Premiership, more than the mancs, but in HALF our games we've failed to score more than one goal

Results By Goals Scored 08/09

0 goals : P5 W0 D5 L0 PTS 5/15
1 goal : P6 W3 D2 L1 PTS 11/18
2 goals : P5 W4 D1 L0 PTS 13/15
3 goals : P5 W5 D0 L0 PTS 15/15
4 goals : n/a
5 goals : P1 W1 D0 L0 PTS 3/3

No coincidence that only 16 points have come when we've scored one or less compared to 31 when we've scored twice or more - we've dropped only two points out of 11 games when we've score at least two goals.

And when we've scored just once or not at all, we have drawn seven out of 11 games (63.64%) Conclusion : we need to score more goals. It wasn't an issue when we were winning regularly, but now Kuyt's goals have dried up we're drawing more - not something the Kuyt bashers on here would be ready to suggest or even a concept they'd warm to.

by **Ciggy** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:28 am

Our home form is woeful :no

Im gutted, just gutted

by **lewerty** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:32 am

,

everton cheating :censored:

falling down when it wasnt even a foul and the push on torres was def a pen, where the :censored:

was the ref he was :censored:

!!!!and as for kuyt well and keane had a :censored:

game makes u think was rafa forced into buying him and then we bring on our star players lucas and benni we really need a top class right winger who can run at defences with pace and be able to cross our subs dont bring anything new to the game

by **Number 9** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:32 am

Never got to see the game,had to do out after the first half an hour!
Was gutted but now I'm happy I missed it!

IF UTD keep winning we can be out of it IMO if we dont beat Chelsea at the end of the month.
Its about time Rafa and the players realised we need to be taking 3 points from a hell of a lot more games than we are doing.
Or we can forget about the League!

by **Redman in wales** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:34 am

Redman in wales wrote:
john craig wrote:Benitez getting some undue stick here imo.

Keane by all accounts was awful and should've come off. Torres still finding fitness and I can understand wanting to wrap him in cotton wool, therefore taking him off.

He picked a line-up that most of us wanted to see. At the end of the day the players he put out were better than the opposition man for man, what more can Benitez do?? The players have to shoulder responsibility here, Benitez is just the easy target for stupid people.

completely agree.

however i also agree with saints post....

We invited Everton on to us by taking Torres off. With Kuyt up front on his own they could sit on the half way line in deck chairs and still catch him

I would have bought babel on for torres. Everton had to attack, and he could have exploited gaps

still hindsight is a wonderful thing

i thought that as well bigmick. babel would have been a better option to come on if you've already taken keane off.

when teams are stretched looking for that goal... that's when babel thrives as a supersub, and often nicks a goal because of it.

but as i said in my post yesterday... hinesight is a wonderful thing....

by **Ciggy** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:39 am

What was going on with Keane? Looked dissinterested mind you the same can be said about a few more that wernt up for the fight of going top of the table.
The bitters are celebrating like they have won the league we better knock these out the cup on sunday.

by **Number 9** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 8:47 am

Ciggy wrote:What was going on with Keane? Looked dissinterested mind you the same can be said about a few more that wernt up for the fight of going top of the table.
The bitters are celebrating like they have won the league we better knock these out the cup on sunday.

He's not the only one!
A few of our players lack the balls and passion needed at times.Theres a few that seem happy to put in an average shift and rely on their team mates to make something happen!

Im not just saying this because of the bitter result but i worry at times that as a unit we dont have the passion and hunger to win the League just yet.
More effort required to turn draws into wins.WTF is our home form all about anyway!

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