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Postby tonyeh » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:34 pm

heimdall wrote:
Ciggy wrote:http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_4782944,00.html

Rafa Benitez has continued his attack against Manchester United by questioning chief executive David Gill's position on the Football Association board.

Liverpool manager Benitez delivered a calculated criticism of his United counterpart Mr. Ferguson prior to the weekend's fixtures.

Benitez claimed Ferguson was allowed to go unpunished when criticising referees, prompting the United boss to suggest the Spaniard was 'disturbed for some reason'.

But now Benitez has stepped up his row with the Premier League champions by querying the influence Gill has at the FA.

Very strange
"They were saying we are not a threat," said Benitez in the Daily Mirror. "Now they know we are, they are starting mind games.

"But I don't think it's a mind game when you have control over everything, it's a mind game when you have the same level as the other people, then you can show you are cleverer than the others.

"But when you have control of everything and your chief executive is powerful in the FA and things like this, then that is not mind games.

"Is there a conflict of interest with David Gill at the FA?

"That is another fact. It is a fact that one person has a lot of power and control, and is on a lot of committees in the FA.

"To me that is very strange."

oh this is not good, Rafa needs to let this lie now otherwise he will get into deep :censored:, he is more or less insuating that Gill is manipulating things to give Manure an unfair advantage. Whilst this may or may not be true I'd like to see him digging up some evidence for that which the FA may well ask him to do. Not smart Mr Benitez, not smart at all.  :no
plus isn't our very own Rick Parry quite well in with the FA, wouldn't he be more than capable of giving us some advantage, this could all get very ugly very quickly unless someoen can tell Rafa to shut the feck up!!

ummmm.....I was cringing when I saw that press conference and now I am completely sure that this has been a huge mistake and should be dropped quickly.

Everyone knows what Benitez is saying is true, but it's impossible to really prove.

He's only going to end up wearing a clown suit, if he's not careful.
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Postby tubby » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:54 pm

IMO it would have sounded better if Rafa had said this come the end of the season with us as possible champs. Obviously Rafa has had this on his mind for some time but I hope that if they win all their games in hand that we can keep pace with them should they slep up. We have a home game with Chelsea in a few weeks so that should give us an excellent chance to widen that gap between us even more.

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Postby tubby » Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:55 pm

tonyeh wrote:
heimdall wrote:
Ciggy wrote:http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11669_4782944,00.html

Rafa Benitez has continued his attack against Manchester United by questioning chief executive David Gill's position on the Football Association board.

Liverpool manager Benitez delivered a calculated criticism of his United counterpart Mr. Ferguson prior to the weekend's fixtures.

Benitez claimed Ferguson was allowed to go unpunished when criticising referees, prompting the United boss to suggest the Spaniard was 'disturbed for some reason'.

But now Benitez has stepped up his row with the Premier League champions by querying the influence Gill has at the FA.

Very strange
"They were saying we are not a threat," said Benitez in the Daily Mirror. "Now they know we are, they are starting mind games.

"But I don't think it's a mind game when you have control over everything, it's a mind game when you have the same level as the other people, then you can show you are cleverer than the others.

"But when you have control of everything and your chief executive is powerful in the FA and things like this, then that is not mind games.

"Is there a conflict of interest with David Gill at the FA?

"That is another fact. It is a fact that one person has a lot of power and control, and is on a lot of committees in the FA.

"To me that is very strange."

oh this is not good, Rafa needs to let this lie now otherwise he will get into deep :censored:, he is more or less insuating that Gill is manipulating things to give Manure an unfair advantage. Whilst this may or may not be true I'd like to see him digging up some evidence for that which the FA may well ask him to do. Not smart Mr Benitez, not smart at all.  :no
plus isn't our very own Rick Parry quite well in with the FA, wouldn't he be more than capable of giving us some advantage, this could all get very ugly very quickly unless someoen can tell Rafa to shut the feck up!!

ummmm.....I was cringing when I saw that press conference and now I am completely sure that this has been a huge mistake and should be dropped quickly.

Everyone knows what Benitez is saying is true, but it's impossible to really prove.

He's only going to end up wearing a clown suit, if he's not careful.

Yeah true. Beacsue none of it can be proved he will end up looking paranoid whatever happens.
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Postby big al » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:48 pm

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.  Like so many people on here my first instinct on Friday night was 'good for you Rafa' but as the night wore on and the fans feedback came in I could'nt help thinking what a big bloody mistake Rafa had made.  Some of the more considered fans on here were also saying the same thing and fair play to them for being so insightful. 

Theres is no doubt a lot of truth in what Rafa was saying about Ferguson, I bet only the Manc fans would disagree.  However the mistake Rafa made was in timing.  He made what was a very important issue appear to be casued by his own insecurities as a manager.  Had he raised this issue earlier in the season then the Mancs would not have been able to counter his statements in the way they have. 

I am not the most objective person to say this but the truth is ' Ferguson is the blue eye of the British media.'  In their eyes he can do no wrong.  Alex Ferguson stands for everything that is the British establishment and added to this is the hatred the media have of Liverpool.  I live in Ireland so whilst I am a Liverpool FC fan I hope I am ojective enough to see the absolute downright prejudice that the British media have of the people of Liverpool.  No other city in England is treated with such distain as Liverpool is.  The sterotyping of Liverpools people by the media is an absolute disgrace.  For those of you who believe that the Sun newspaper printed the lies it did about Hillsbrough without any prior malice then think again.  The gutter press would only and could only have printed such dispicable stories because they envolved Liverpudlians. 

Some people may think that I am now ranting but the fact is I am writing this with calm and in a very collective state.  Whenever I see reports in the media about the city of Liverpool I see slanted journalism which seeks to show everything Liverpudlian in a prejudicial and maligning fashion.  The little Englander superiority of the newspaper media is based at looking down its nose a scousers who are either, thieves, drug dealers, con-sters or rouges. 

Calling Rafa's attack on Sir Alex Ferguson a 'Rant' was inevitable.  Remember Sky Sports belongs to Rupert Murdock who in turn owns the Sun newspaper.  I watch the smiles of sky sports reporters when comments from Manc fans came rolling in saying Sir Alex had wound Rafa up, they loved it.

My work mate reminded me today of a conversation we had about a month ago when I said that Rafa was to only manager who was oblivious to Sir Alex Fergusons rants.  I obviously spoke to soon. 

With hindsight what Rafa did was bring pressure on his own side against Stoke, detracting from game and then fire Man U players up.  To be frank, yesterdays preformance by Man U was their best all season thanks to Rafa.  He should have chuckled praised Ferguson for his achievements and picked the right team to play Stoke.

One last thing.  On Friday night he told Stoke how he was going to play.  He expected them to push forward as they were at home.  He felt that if they did this Liverpools counter attacking football would eventually open them up.  Stokes manager in the end knew how Rafa was going to play and was set up to defend the point they started the game with.  The biggest failing of Rafa has been his inability to change things around and I dont mean players hes a bloody genius at that.  No he needs to take risks.  Winning the premiership is about taking risks.  Rafa only takes risks when we are behind, when he does take risks his players very rarely fail to come through.  He needs to do this in some games from the start and he needs to keep quiet.  Rafa Should read Kiplings 'IF'  I hope Im not breaking any copywrite by adding it here. I draw your attention to the first verse. 
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IF.....


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IF you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
' Or walk with Kings - nor lose the common touch,
if neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man, my son!




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Postby maguskwt » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:57 pm

don't be such pussies... mourinho was spouting more :censored: then this all the time... nothing every happened to him... I like rafa coming out fighting like this... it doesn't matter whether it's mind games or not but the mancs are being hit hard by rafa's comments and they can't even respond because all of it is true... all ferguson can say is 'disturbed'?   :D besides... rafa might just be creating distraction for the players so that the attention will be on him and not the team... the team after all is challenging for the title for the first time in 19 years
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Postby supersub » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:07 pm

timing was ill conceived...better later in the season after a victory would have been more appropriate or even a week before the manc game in March just to crank it up a bit...pointless crying over spilt milk now though...rafa with egg on his face today...1-0 fergie
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Postby Reg » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:08 pm

I worried about those comments but at the end of the day we have to take Utd on in all departments and start to sow the seeds of doubt.

Rafa has to break the mould and start to asert himself with the FA, media and fans. What he´s saying is in fact  'I am ready'. He cant back down now, its the first shot in a long campaign and Fergie´s response is hard trying to put the lid back on the bottle before the jeanie gets out. Rafa has to maintain his course and he needs the support of his players (3 points every game) to reinforce his points. 

Dont worry about Rafa, he´s a big lad and knows how to look after himself better than most of the nambipambies who sit at home wringing their hands worrying about whether he´s upset Fergie or not ffs.........  ???
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Postby supersub » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:10 pm

maguskwt wrote:don't be such pussies... mourinho was spouting more :censored: then this all the time... nothing every happened to him... I like rafa coming out fighting like this... it doesn't matter whether it's mind games or not but the mancs are being hit hard by rafa's comments and they can't even respond because all of it is true... all ferguson can say is 'disturbed'?   :D besides... rafa might just be creating distraction for the players so that the attention will be on him and not the team... the team after all is challenging for the title for the first time in 19 years

agree comments were right but timing not perfect

media have always licked the backsides of fergie and mourinho
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Postby supersub » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:11 pm

just a pity other managers haven't had the balls to back Rafa up on this, just to add spice to the debate.
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Postby Reg » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:12 pm

supersub wrote:media have always licked the backsides of fergie and mourinho

Change is good. Time for them to get used to licking a paella tasting árse.  :wwww
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Postby red187 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:51 pm

So on reflection, I believe Rafas "rant" to be even more inspired than I first thought.
Before I get shot down let me explain, if we are all honest with overselves we all thought that this Stoke game was going to be a very difficult game.
Stoke are very hard to beat at the Britannia and with the Rory Delap factor they can cause any team major problems.
Now I know myself deep down I felt we were in for a tight match but my bravado wouldn't allow me to say out loud any disparaging thoughts about Saturdays match.
So if I thought that there was a possible slip up in the offing, then Rafa did so also and if we take into consideration that our other main rivals were playing at a time when Chelsea are weaker than they have been for a while, Rafa took steps to protect our teams frail mentality and give us supportors something to think about
Rafas comments and the press coverage they have recieved have completed deflected the fact that our players did bottle the match, most of the English press have concentrated on how Rafas comments have back fired on him rather than the poor performance of our players, the comments have also stopped the media making more of the Mancs win over Chelsea.
If Rafa hadn't made his comments then the back pages would have been full of how United had taken charge in the title race, instead they were still focused on the further comments Rafa had made after the game and again this morning.
He has completed stolen Uniteds thunder taken away the upperhand they would have gained on our players, don't forget Rafas comments won't have effected our players as he had prepared them in advance making sure that they were all informed of why he was making this statement.
Now I may be completely wrong but if i'm not then what Rafa did was done with foresight and has worked perfectly
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Postby Effes » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:26 pm

red187 wrote:He has completey stolen Uniteds thunder taken away the upperhand they would have gained on our players, don't forget Rafas comments won't have effected our players as he had prepared them in advance making sure that they were all informed of why he was making this statement.
Now I may be completely wrong but if i'm not then what Rafa did was done with foresight and has worked perfectly

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Postby heimdall » Mon Jan 12, 2009 6:57 pm

red187 wrote:So on reflection, I believe Rafas "rant" to be even more inspired than I first thought.
Before I get shot down let me explain, if we are all honest with overselves we all thought that this Stoke game was going to be a very difficult game.
Stoke are very hard to beat at the Britannia and with the Rory Delap factor they can cause any team major problems.
Now I know myself deep down I felt we were in for a tight match but my bravado wouldn't allow me to say out loud any disparaging thoughts about Saturdays match.
So if I thought that there was a possible slip up in the offing, then Rafa did so also and if we take into consideration that our other main rivals were playing at a time when Chelsea are weaker than they have been for a while, Rafa took steps to protect our teams frail mentality and give us supportors something to think about
Rafas comments and the press coverage they have recieved have completed deflected the fact that our players did bottle the match, most of the English press have concentrated on how Rafas comments have back fired on him rather than the poor performance of our players, the comments have also stopped the media making more of the Mancs win over Chelsea.
If Rafa hadn't made his comments then the back pages would have been full of how United had taken charge in the title race, instead they were still focused on the further comments Rafa had made after the game and again this morning.
He has completed stolen Uniteds thunder taken away the upperhand they would have gained on our players, don't forget Rafas comments won't have effected our players as he had prepared them in advance making sure that they were all informed of why he was making this statement.
Now I may be completely wrong but if i'm not then what Rafa did was done with foresight and has worked perfectly

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The reason no other manager has launched this kind of attack is because it doesn't work, nothing will change and instead it makes the players even more nervous.

Suggesting Gill is corrupt is slanderous and could get Rafa into a lot of sh1t, I;m talking court case FA penalties etc etc. I mean if it is true than Man Utd control the FA isn't he playing right into their hands.

My opinion is that Rafa isn't getting the huge payrise he thought he was and has spat his dummy out and is making as much noise as possible to try and scare Hicks and Gillet into paying him off if for no other reason than to shut him up.
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Postby Reg » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:00 pm

I dont think it was a one off comment and I´m sure fergie doesnt see it that way either.
Its the first shot in a battle who will dominate the next phase of EPL and Fergie cant last forever. The challenge is out both on and off the field.
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Postby supersub » Mon Jan 12, 2009 7:06 pm

heimdall wrote:Suggesting Gill is corrupt is slanderous .

prize for the pint glass 3/4 empty

Gill corrupt and why not?
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